Our best line up is when ramirez comes back is...

[questionmarkgrace]

Soriano LF

Pie Cf

Lee 1b

Ramirez 3b

DeRosa RF

Barret C

Fontenot 2b

Theriot ss

pitcher

[questionmarkgrace]

I forgot about Floyd but he is probably good for no more than 110 games a year anyways at this point.

[YearofDaCubs]

I'm glad to see the young guys come up and play. Considering how bad our production RF has been for us, I have to agree with your lineup. It probably gives us the best chance to win.

[Rob]

Ummm... no?

 

No matter how badly Murton, Floyd, or even Jones is performing at the moment, there is absolutely no basis to assume Theriot or Fontenot will perform better over the rest of the season. To short change your big, struggling bats in order to get in more playing time for your anemic, middle infield bats only guarantees a low level of offensive production, with no upshot whatsoever.

 

Bottom line: Theriot and Fontenot have no chance to hit like big league corner outfielders. Putting them in at the expense of people who do is asinine, and only compounds our problems.

[Friendly Confines]

Hoping that we move jones sometime soon, we probably have to do something with our clogged middle infield...derosa, theriot, fontenot, and izturus. Then assuming Pie stays in Center consistently, we still have three outfielders platooning in right. But i digress...my ideal lineup with Ramirez back would be

 

Soriano LF

Pie CF

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Barrett C

Murton RF

Derosa 2B

Theriot SS

 

With Fontenot, Pagan, Floyd, Izturis, and Hill/Blanco on the bench

[TruffleShuffle]

don't forget zambrano, he's got more power than about 80% of his teammates

[Lockes Eye Scar]

Soriano RF

Pie CF

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Murton/Floyd LF

Barrett C

DeRosa/Fontenot 2B

Theriot SS

Zambrano P

 

eh

[cubfan1955]

Soriano RF

Pie CF

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Murton/Floyd LF

Barrett C

DeRosa/Fontenot 2B

Theriot SS

Zambrano P

 

eh

I like this one the best...though with Murton leading off and Soriano batting 5th. I'm also getting sick to death of Michael Barrett. I wish we had a catcher that could play defense and hit just a little bit. He costs us way too many games defensively and stumbling around the bases like a drunken sailor. At this point I'd just as soon Hll catch everyday. Z seems to like him.

[Derwood]

our best lineup in August will be:

 

1. Soriano - RF

2. Pie - CF

3. Lee - 1B

4. A-Rod - SS

5. Ramirez - 3B

6. Dunn - LF

7. Theriot - 2B

8. Hill - C

 

 

Right? Anyone?

[apete6]

Soriano LF

Pie CF

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Floyd RF

DeRosa 2B

Barrett C

Theriot SS

 

Bench: Pagan (PR & defense for Floyd late)

Ward (PH only)

Fontenot (2B sometimes--would bat 7th and Barrett goes to 6th)

Blanco (bad contract or Hill would be in this spot)

Izturis (because we're stuck with him, this is Cedeno next yr)

 

AAA: Murton--he's useless as a pinch hitter/bench player because he's slower than Pagan and his defense sucks and he "presses" when he pinch hits. Better to let him get at bats and become trade bait in the minors.

 

Working at Taco Bell: Jones

[Sarcastic]

Soriano RF

Pie CF

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Murton/Floyd LF

Barrett C

DeRosa/Fontenot 2B

Theriot SS

Zambrano P

 

eh

I like this one the best...though with Murton leading off and Soriano batting 5th. I'm also getting sick to death of Michael Barrett. I wish we had a catcher that could play defense and hit just a little bit. He costs us way too many games defensively and stumbling around the bases like a drunken sailor. At this point I'd just as soon Hll catch everyday. Z seems to like him.

 

A catcher who could play his position well would be nice, but playing the AAA catcher over a guy who has consistently been a very strong hitting catcher over the last three years is ridiculous. Even at defensive positions like catcher, offense is more important than defense, and Barrett's bat is finally starting to pick up again.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Ummm... no?

 

Bottom line: Theriot and Fontenot have no chance to hit like big league corner outfielders. Putting them in at the expense of people who do is asinine, and only compounds our problems.

 

Whats asinine is your comment and the logic behind it.

IMO of course :D

[Soriano12]

Jock Jones SS

Angel Pagan C

Darly Ward 1B

Cesar Izturis LF

Matt Murton 3B

Jerry Fontentot 2B

Felix Pie CF

Cliff Floyd RF

 

 

top that.

[killthegoat06]

Soriano

Pie

Lee

Aram

Floyd

Barrett

Fontenot

Theriot

Z

[Careless]

Soriano RF

Pie CF

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Murton/Floyd LF

Barrett C

DeRosa/Fontenot 2B

Theriot SS

Zambrano P

 

eh

Best we can hope for.

[Rob]

Ummm... no?

 

Bottom line: Theriot and Fontenot have no chance to hit like big league corner outfielders. Putting them in at the expense of people who do is asinine, and only compounds our problems.

 

Whats asinine is your comment and the logic behind it.

IMO of course :D

 

The logic sticks. You're rallying for Theriot to get more playing time that would come at the expense of Murton.

 

Yeah, right now they're hitting pretty similar (.680 OPS for Theriot, .683 OPS for Murton)... but I don't think anybody is going to say they have a similar ceiling. Murton simply has a chance to be much, much better than Theriot. Why we'd make a move that would only lower the ceiling for offensive production while doing nothing to increase the floor is simply beyond me. It defies all logic.

[TruffleShuffle]

Soriano

Pie

Lee

Aram

Floyd

Barrett

Fontenot

Theriot

Z

 

No way DeRosa belongs on the bench behind Theriot/Fontenot. IMO, the ideal lineup offensive lineup has DeRosa at second, Fontenot at short and either a Murton/Floyd platoon or just Murton in right.

[Rob]

Soriano

Pie

Lee

Aram

Floyd

Barrett

Fontenot

Theriot

Z

 

No way DeRosa belongs on the bench behind Theriot/Fontenot. IMO, the ideal lineup offensive lineup has DeRosa at second, Fontenot at short and either a Murton/Floyd platoon or just Murton in right.

 

If memory serves, DeRosa is a better SS than Fontenot...

[UK1679666180]

Going by expected line-ups.

 

Soriano

Pie

Lee

Ramirez

Floyd/Murton

Derosa

Theriot

Barrett/Blanco

SP

[Sarcastic]

Going by expected line-ups.

 

Soriano

Pie

Lee

Ramirez

Floyd/Murton

Derosa

Theriot

Barrett/Blanco

SP

 

I'd expect Jones to continue to get playing time (for no apparent reason) and I have to ask why you expect Barrett to be moved down to the 8th spot?

[UK1679666180]

Derosa has been hitting better of late and better throughout the year compared to Barrett. I don't expect Jones to get the bulk of time when Floyd comes back and then it becomes a matter of how much contract to eat to unload him. At this point of the year, Barrett has to prove that he can hit better to be moved up (although, that can be said of Floyd/Murton/Jones as well so Iwouldn't have a problem if they got dropped).

 

I like Theriot in the 7th spot b/c he does get on base at a good clip, with Derosa showing a good eye, he can get move a runner, and he can steal.

 

The reason why I like someone who can get on and steal a base is (I'd want Theriot to be more aggressive on the bases hitting 7th) if he can get to 2nd, that 8th hitter will be walked or pitched around more and the quicker they get to the pitcher, the quicker they get to the top of the order and Soriano/heart of the order.

 

(apologies for the run-on)

[Sarcastic]

You are correct that DeRosa has been better than Barrett this season, but not lately.

 

In June:

 

Barrett: .261/.370/.522

DeRosa: .316/.325/.395

 

Barrett has been heating up, and when you look at their last few seasons, there is no question that Barrett is the better hitter. I'd put him 5th behind Aramis and move Murton and Floyd (neither of whom have been producing or hitting for power) down in the lineup. This is more or less what I expect Lou to do, though Barrett may hit behind Floyd on days when he is in the lineup.

 

As far as Jones goes, I agree that he should be benched, but I thought that the first line of your post indicated that you meant the posted lineup was what you expected Lou to use, and I was just wondering why you thought Lou would change his mind and bench Jones.

[killthegoat06]

You are correct that DeRosa has been better than Barrett this season, but not lately.

 

In June:

 

Barrett: .261/.370/.522

DeRosa: .316/.325/.395

 

Barrett has been heating up, and when you look at their last few seasons, there is no question that Barrett is the better hitter. I'd put him 5th behind Aramis and move Murton and Floyd (neither of whom have been producing or hitting for power) down in the lineup. This is more or less what I expect Lou to do, though Barrett may hit behind Floyd on days when he is in the lineup.

 

As far as Jones goes, I agree that he should be benched, but I thought that the first line of your post indicated that you meant the posted lineup was what you expected Lou to use, and I was just wondering why you thought Lou would change his mind and bench Jones.

 

The stats you posted for Barrett are worse than the ones for Derosa. Did you flip them?

[UK1679666180]

The stats you posted for Barrett are worse than the ones for Derosa. Did you flip them?

 

Minus avg. Barrett's numbers dominate this month over DeRosa.

 

Given the small sample of it compared to 2 months, I'd still trust DeRosa higher up in the order compared to Barrett.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Let's hope Barrett is getting back to where he's been in previous seasons. He's looked good this last week, driven mostly by his 2 HRs, but over 30 days and over the season, DeRosa has bested him.

 

06/05 - 06/11      AB    R    H   2B   3B   HR   TB  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP
Barrett            18    4    5    0    0    2   11    2    3    4  0.278  0.381  0.611  0.992  0.250
DeRosa             24    1    8    0    0    0    8    5    1    1  0.333  0.360  0.333  0.693  0.348

 

05/11 - 06/11      AB    R    H   2B   3B   HR   TB  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP
Barrett            84   11   19    4    0    4   35    7    9   16  0.226  0.298  0.417  0.715  0.234
DeRosa             85   11   24    4    1    2   36   15    9   14  0.282  0.354  0.424  0.778  0.319

 

04/02 - 06/11      AB    R    H   2B   3B   HR   TB  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP
Barrett           191   20   47    8    0    9   82   26   19   34  0.246  0.310  0.429  0.739  0.257
DeRosa            178   20   47   10    2    6   79   32   21   37  0.264  0.347  0.444  0.790  0.304