2nd in BA, 4th in OBP, 6th in SLG...9th in Runs?

[SouthSideRyan]

Jones is one of the best examples of choking...jeter is an example of clutch hitting,

 

Jones career OPS bases empty: 766

Runners on: 814

RISP: 835

RISP 2 outs: 840

 

Jeter career OPS runners on: 856

Runners on: 848

RISP: 844

RISP 2 outs: 863

 

Better check back with Tim McCarver as to how to deal with this. My guess is it involves something to do with a needless dive into the stands.

[Jon]

Jeter the last three years:

 

Overall - .315/.386/.468/.854

Close and late - .291/.388/.429/.817

Runners on - .321/.403/.450/.853

Scoring position - .310/.406/.465/.871

 

No difference between what he hits in "clutch" situations and what he hits the rest of the time.

 

Jones over the last three years:

 

Overall - .263/.323/.454/.777

Close and late - .269/.339/.522/.861

Runners on - .286/.355/.505/.860

Scoring position - .281/.369/.555/.924

 

Jones is actually far more "clutch" than Jeter. Or he would be if it wasn't just luck.

[Jon]

Jones is one of the best examples of choking...jeter is an example of clutch hitting,

 

Jones career OPS bases empty: 766

Runners on: 814

RISP: 835

RISP 2 outs: 840

 

Jeter career OPS runners on: 856

Runners on: 848

RISP: 844

RISP 2 outs: 863

 

Better check back with Tim McCarver as to how to deal with this. My guess is it involves something to do with a needless dive into the stands.

Thanks for making the last five minutes of my life meaningless.

[Guest]

Awesome. Thank you, SSR.

[David]

Jones is one of the best examples of choking...jeter is an example of clutch hitting,

 

Jones career OPS bases empty: 766

Runners on: 814

RISP: 835

RISP 2 outs: 840

 

Jeter career OPS runners on: 856

Runners on: 848

RISP: 844

RISP 2 outs: 863

 

Better check back with Tim McCarver as to how to deal with this. My guess is it involves something to do with a needless dive into the stands.

 

I absolutely LOVE it.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

than you don't know what you are talking about.....clutch hitting is a talent, or not choking.....

 

Jones is one of the best examples of choking...jeter is an example of clutch hitting,

 

but what do you know....Cubs stats show they are not clutch or good situational hitters

 

At the risk of sounding rude, I often wonder if you actually pay attention to the sport of baseball before posting here. Thank you, SSR for posting what every sane member of the baseball community knows -- Derek Jeter is no more clutch than anyone else, ESPN be damned.

[Amazing_Grace]

So um, there was this story in the paper today about Bigfoot (the animal not the monster truck) being sighted in Kentucky. Reading this thread made me think of that for some reason.

 

Perhaps it's because of the enormous debate over this fictitious concept of clutch players and clutch hitting.... I'd say you'd have better odds of proving the existence of Bigfoot than proving that there's such a thing as clutch hitting.

 

Good players hit better than bad players all the time... That's why they're good.

[RegulusBlue]

I know the word "clutch" is laughed at around here, but this leads me to think there may be something to it.

 

Lack of clutch hitting--- hits with RISP, especially, is what kills us.

 

Does anyone have the number of runners the Cubs have left on base so far this year and where we rank?

 

What you are seeing is players who lack patience and good coaching becoming tight and trying to hit a home run on every pitch.

 

It's not clutch, its weakness. Our players hit better when ahead early because they don't fall into horrible habits when the situation isn't dire. These girls forget their entire approach at home whenever a "clutch" situation occurs.

 

The notion that clutch does not exist is based on the assumption that players are the same in mind and body under duress. History bears this out in many great players with large sample sizes.

 

If anything, clutch exists, but only as a negative, such as when Jacque Jones is the worst player in baseball history if we're down by one, or if the bags are juiced.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

If anything, clutch exists, but only as a negative, such as when Jacque Jones is the worst player in baseball history if we're down by one, or if the bags are juiced.

 

READ THE THREAD

[UBlink]

but what do you know....Cubs stats show they are not clutch or good situational hitters

 

Just checked to see if anything dramatic happened since yesterday - the Cubs still have the best avg. in the NL with RISP. Link

 

For what it's worth, looking at different situational splits the Cubs are only 7th in close and late, but their avg is still .007 above the league average.

[SouthSideRyan]

but what do you know....Cubs stats show they are not clutch or good situational hitters

 

Just checked to see if anything dramatic happened since yesterday - the Cubs still have the best avg. in the NL with RISP. Link

 

For what it's worth, looking at different situational splits the Cubs are only 7th in close and late, but their avg is still .007 above the league average.

 

Shut up nerd.

[The Q]

You wanna know why Derek Jeter gets those hits in those "clutch" situations?

 

The same reason Papi does, or why Manny RAmirez is always driving in runs....

 

BECAUSE THEY'RE GOOD HITTERS TO BEGIN WITH.