Please bench Jones

[RegulusBlue]

Jacque misplays balls in CF, doesn't have great range, and he still can't throw. He has the worst plate approach of anyone on earth, and he is just an all around bad player.

 

Pie needs to play, so why don't we? Just let him try and figure this place out, so we have an actual CF who might be able to hit.

 

If Cy Marquis wasn't on the mound, we might have lost due to his 9 LOB. Nine?!?! Holy crap, please mail him to outer space.

[ltb]

dude you gotta put him out there against lefties every time, he'll learn to hit them eventually!

 

his poor performance is upsetting on several levels. it hurts the team for one, but it also makes his trade value non-existent. if only hendry would get over himself, admit his mistake, and just DFA the guy...

[CubColtPacer]

Jones had over a 360 OBP before the last two days. He's had an awful 2 days, but whichever guy they stuck out there (Jones or Pie) would have been awful against a LHP-they both are terrible against them.

 

Jacque still has over a 350 OBP so far this season against RHP, and he has played a good CF. He's had two horrible nights-I would support Pie getting more starts and the team acquiring somebody right-handed that can play CF, but I don't think Jacque has been terrible.

[Guest]

should have batted him 2nd instead of 8th and batted Lee 8th.

[Danny82]

if only hendry would get over himself, admit his mistake, and just DFA the guy...

Yeah...ok.

[ltb]

Jones had over a 360 OBP before the last two days. He's had an awful 2 days, but whichever guy they stuck out there (Jones or Pie) would have been awful against a LHP-they both are terrible against them.

 

Jacque still has over a 350 OBP so far this season against RHP, and he has played a good CF. He's had two horrible nights-I would support Pie getting more starts and the team acquiring somebody right-handed that can play CF, but I don't think Jacque has been terrible.

 

I disagree - he's looked terrible in CF. Sadly, when Lou decides to banish Pie to the bench and run Soriano and the bronze statue of Cliff Floyd into the outfield, Jones is the best option in center - but not because he's good at it. DFAing is probably a bit extreme, but one of two things needs to happen very, very fast:

 

1. Jones is traded - this is the ideal.

2. Pie gets more starts and Jones never, ever ever starts against a LHP again.

[KaiserCesar]

if only hendry would get over himself, admit his mistake, and just DFA the guy...

Yeah...ok.

 

You can't have guys who can OPS .800+ against righties on your team!

[DesMoinesCub]

A couple of days ago, I was defending playing Jones. After tonight, I am rethinking that. Not only did he leave 9 men on base, he left 6 in scoring position!

 

What would you do if you were Lou? Most of you would put Pie out there and just let him learn. However, it seems that Lou and the Cubs management really don't want to do that, so here is a thought without Pie in the line up and still taking JJ out against lefties. I was thinking but against a lefty what if we played Theriot in CF. Would a line up of:

 

Soriano-LF

Theriot-CF

Lee-1B

Ramirez-3B

Murton- RF

Barrett-C

DeRosa- 2B

Izzy-SS

 

It takes Floyd and Jones out of the line up and playing Izzy. It keeps Theriot in the line up (and we all know Lou love the riot). The only problem would be the OF defense, but that seems to be a problem however you line em up.

[ltb]

if only hendry would get over himself, admit his mistake, and just DFA the guy...

Yeah...ok.

 

if he can't trade him, and lou decides to pull a dusty and let the "proven veteran" play while the good, promising young player rides the pine, i would much rather see jones DFA'd than be on the roster.

[KaiserCesar]

if only hendry would get over himself, admit his mistake, and just DFA the guy...

Yeah...ok.

 

if he can't trade him, and lou decides to pull a dusty and let the "proven veteran" play while the good, promising young player rides the pine, i would much rather see jones DFA'd than be on the roster.

 

I'm sure a nice talk could resolve the problem more than throwing out good production, when used right. Hendry probably won't have that talk, though. Lou is probably more wise to the numbers than Hendry.

[ltb]

if only hendry would get over himself, admit his mistake, and just DFA the guy...

Yeah...ok.

 

You can't have guys who can OPS .800+ against righties on your team!

 

you're missing a major part of the point. jones would be fine if used properly. the problem is that lou, just like dusty, refuses to do so. that .800 OPS doesn't mean much when it comes along with a terrible line against lefties (that gives a combined OPS of 730 - that's a 92 OPS+ as of this morning).

[Guest]

I would rather see Jones against lefties than izturis. Pie should either be playing every day or at Iowa. I really don't understand this organization - why would you keep a great prospect in the majors only to sit him on the bench? What is anyone gaining from it?

[KaiserCesar]

if only hendry would get over himself, admit his mistake, and just DFA the guy...

Yeah...ok.

 

You can't have guys who can OPS .800+ against righties on your team!

 

you're missing a major part of the point. jones would be fine if used properly. the problem is that lou, just like dusty, refuses to do so. that .800 OPS doesn't mean much when it comes along with a terrible line against lefties (that gives a combined OPS of 730 - that's a 92 OPS+ as of this morning).

 

I was refuting the DFA proposal. If we suggest DFA we are assuming we are taking the role of GM. If we are GM we could also talk to our field manager about playing time of youngsters rather than outright releasing someone.

[KaiserCesar]

I would rather see Jones against lefties than izturis. Pie should either be playing every day or at Iowa. I really don't understand this organization - why would you keep a great prospect in the majors only to sit him on the bench? What is anyone gaining from it?

 

Soriano has a friend.

 

 

This is not a joke btw

[CubColtPacer]

if only hendry would get over himself, admit his mistake, and just DFA the guy...

Yeah...ok.

 

You can't have guys who can OPS .800+ against righties on your team!

 

you're missing a major part of the point. jones would be fine if used properly. the problem is that lou, just like dusty, refuses to do so. that .800 OPS doesn't mean much when it comes along with a terrible line against lefties (that gives a combined OPS of 730 - that's a 92 OPS+ as of this morning).

 

The question is-who is better against LHP that could play in center instead of Jones? There are only 7 good right handed-hitters on this team (Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, Soriano, DeRosa, Murton, Theriot) and none of the left-handers can hit LHP-at all.

[KaiserCesar]

if only hendry would get over himself, admit his mistake, and just DFA the guy...

Yeah...ok.

 

You can't have guys who can OPS .800+ against righties on your team!

 

you're missing a major part of the point. jones would be fine if used properly. the problem is that lou, just like dusty, refuses to do so. that .800 OPS doesn't mean much when it comes along with a terrible line against lefties (that gives a combined OPS of 730 - that's a 92 OPS+ as of this morning).

 

The question is-who is better against LHP that could play in center instead of Jones? There are only 7 good right handed-hitters on this team (Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, Soriano, DeRosa, Murton, Theriot) and none of the left-handers can hit LHP-at all.

 

Yes, yes, those 7 should be the lineup against LHP along with Pie in order to give him ABs and get his defense.

[CubColtPacer]

if only hendry would get over himself, admit his mistake, and just DFA the guy...

Yeah...ok.

 

You can't have guys who can OPS .800+ against righties on your team!

 

you're missing a major part of the point. jones would be fine if used properly. the problem is that lou, just like dusty, refuses to do so. that .800 OPS doesn't mean much when it comes along with a terrible line against lefties (that gives a combined OPS of 730 - that's a 92 OPS+ as of this morning).

 

The question is-who is better against LHP that could play in center instead of Jones? There are only 7 good right handed-hitters on this team (Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, Soriano, DeRosa, Murton, Theriot) and none of the left-handers can hit LHP-at all.

 

Yes, yes, those 7 should be the lineup against LHP along with Pie in order to give him ABs and get his defense.

 

I wouldn't mind Pie in the lineup against LHP, but he is likely to be even worse than Jones against them offensively. It's a good spot to get Pie AB's, but it's also setting him up to fail-it's a tough balance there. I do hope Pie is in there tomorrow though-good day to give Jones a day off.

[hawkeyecub]

Maybe I've been seeing things differently and I haven't been able to see all of the day games, but he's really surprised me with his CF play thus far.

 

I wasn't in favor of Jacque's signing and couldn't stand him last year. This year he's grown on me a little bit. While he'll still have the occasional awful at-bat, and his power hasn't been there yet, he's looked much better in his approach and in the field than last year.

Regardless of how you analyze it, DFA'ing him is absurd in my opinion. I agree with a lot of the thinkin on Pie, but there's also that fine line of setting Felix up to fail too much by playing him against a lot of lefties. I'd rather Jacque deal with that than Felix.

[Guest]

the Cubs need a CF.

[KaiserCesar]

the Cubs need a CF.

 

Bring back Burnitz :lol:

 

Seriously, though, I think Soriano/Jones can play there fine, but Jones just shouldn't be playing against LHP. Pie should also as many starts as possible and play there. Making a deal seems like a bit of a waste when you have a good ballplayer on the horizon and stopgap options.

[Guest]

the Cubs need a CF.

 

Bring back Burnitz :lol:

 

Seriously, though, I think Soriano/Jones can play there fine, but Jones just shouldn't be playing against LHP. Pie should also as many starts as possible and play there. Making a deal seems like a bit of a waste when you have a good ballplayer on the horizon and stopgap options.

 

Well, in my opinion, Pie sitting on the bench is not an option. So either bat him 8th and play him everyday in which case you trade Jones or Floyd, or go get an everyday or platoon CF. There has to be a right-handed platoon partner for Jones out there on the cheap somewhere.

[KaiserCesar]

the Cubs need a CF.

 

Bring back Burnitz :lol:

 

Seriously, though, I think Soriano/Jones can play there fine, but Jones just shouldn't be playing against LHP. Pie should also as many starts as possible and play there. Making a deal seems like a bit of a waste when you have a good ballplayer on the horizon and stopgap options.

 

Well, in my opinion, Pie sitting on the bench is not an option. So either bat him 8th and play him everyday in which case you trade Jones or Floyd, or go get an everyday or platoon CF. There has to be a right-handed platoon partner for Jones out there on the cheap somewhere.

 

Another RH hitter at middle infield or outfield would do because you can slide DeRosa into the OF and Soriano over to CF. I don't know how well Fontenot, a lefty, has hit lefties historically, but he is better against them this year in limited ABs.

[RyCubsFan]

What about calling up Chris Walker from AAA to platoon with Jones in CF?

He'd also be great as a pinch runner late in games.

This would allow Pie to get the at bats in Iowa.

[sethuel1]

I say we tell Soriano to suck it up and play CF when lefties are on the mound.

[Soriano12]

Jones is absolute garbage, please get rid of him ASAP.