Hendry cannot win

[bukie]

FWIW, Sergio Mitre has given up 3 hits in 8 shutout innings vs. LA.

 

A good sign to show that you made a bad trade?

 

- The least talented of the 3 players you gave up a year ago, has thrown 8 shutout innings against the player you traded him for.... and the player you traded for is NOT on your team any longer.

 

So what you're saying is the Cubs shouldn't have staffed the Marlins entire rotation for 2 years of Alfonseca and 1 year of Pierre?

[Guest]

How about Bako, Blanco, Remlinger, Eyre, and Howry?

[Shilzzz]

i thought the title of this thread was pretty ironic.

[CubColtPacer]

How about Bako, Blanco, Remlinger, Eyre, and Howry?

 

I don't think any of those fit this sentence:

 

Hendry has repeatedly paid absurd prices to fill his roster with replacement level players for whom there is no market

 

Bako is a journeyman catcher who wasn't paid much and has been on 3 other teams after the Cubs. Blanco was going to be signed by the Yankees if the Cubs hadn't signed him in the offseason, so even though he's overpaid there was a market for him. Remlinger and Erye were overpaid, but neither are replacement level players. I'm not convinced that Howry is overpaid. None of those players fit all the qualifications of that sentence.

 

I think Hendry has overpaid a lot-but I challenged that post in particular because I think that sentence is overstating it, and I see variations of it all the time.

[Guest]

How about Bako, Blanco, Remlinger, Eyre, and Howry?

 

I don't think any of those fit this sentence:

 

Hendry has repeatedly paid absurd prices to fill his roster with replacement level players for whom there is no market

 

Bako is a journeyman catcher who wasn't paid much and has been on 3 other teams after the Cubs. Blanco was going to be signed by the Yankees if the Cubs hadn't signed him in the offseason, so even though he's overpaid there was a market for him. Remlinger and Erye were overpaid, but neither are replacement level players. I'm not convinced that Howry is overpaid. None of those players fit all the qualifications of that sentence.

 

I think Hendry has overpaid a lot-but I challenged that post in particular because I think that sentence is overstating it, and I see variations of it all the time.

 

well, I'm not going to get into a semantic argument - my point is that hendry doesn't learn from his mistakes and regardless of the cost of the players, continues to stock the roster with players of limited or replacement level value.

[MPrior]

 

Where Hendry does stand out, though, is in his repeatedly demonstrated tendency to make mind-numbingly stupid moves. Few GMs (Bowden, Krivsky excepted) have made so many moves that were so misinformed. Hendry has repeatedly paid absurd prices to fill his roster with below-replacement level players for whom there is no market, and signed them to fill roles much bigger than they should ever be considered for.

 

Can you give a list-I can only think of two players right now-Perez and Izturis.

 

 

I'll start:

Macias

Pagan

Womack

. . .

 

He said absurd prices for a large role-all of those players were minimum salary players, and as far as I know none of them were signed to be anything other than a bench player.

 

For what it's worth, I said absurd prices for a larger role than they should be considered for. But, in either case, the gist is this: he has filled his roster with players who SHOULD NOT BE on the roster, often paying more than was necessary, in money and/or talent, for them, and allowing them to be played more than they ought to be (which, in most cases, is not at all):

 

Neifi

Izturis

Macias

Pagan

Womack

Rusch

Eyre

Pierre

Remlinger

Blanco

Was he responsible for Alfonseca? I forget.

If it wasn't for Marquis Grissolm retiring, he'd probably be there too.

There are more who marginally fit the parameters, but I'll stop there.

 

I concede that my original statement was a bit of hyperbole. But the fact that there are ANY players that fit the semantics of that sentence is an indictment in itself. The point remains that he has filled a significant portion of his roster with either a) awful players or b) mediocre players who he paid far too much for.

[CubColtPacer]

How about Bako, Blanco, Remlinger, Eyre, and Howry?

 

I don't think any of those fit this sentence:

 

Hendry has repeatedly paid absurd prices to fill his roster with replacement level players for whom there is no market

 

Bako is a journeyman catcher who wasn't paid much and has been on 3 other teams after the Cubs. Blanco was going to be signed by the Yankees if the Cubs hadn't signed him in the offseason, so even though he's overpaid there was a market for him. Remlinger and Erye were overpaid, but neither are replacement level players. I'm not convinced that Howry is overpaid. None of those players fit all the qualifications of that sentence.

 

I think Hendry has overpaid a lot-but I challenged that post in particular because I think that sentence is overstating it, and I see variations of it all the time.

 

well, I'm not going to get into a semantic argument - my point is that hendry doesn't learn from his mistakes and regardless of the cost of the players, continues to stock the roster with players of limited or replacement level value.

 

I would argue that he did learn from his mistakes this year-Soriano, DeRosa, Ward, Floyd-none of those players are anywhere close to replacement level. The only one that was is Blanco-and that was only the high expense, because he's one of the better backup catchers out there.

[Sarcastic]

How about Bako, Blanco, Remlinger, Eyre, and Howry?

 

I don't think any of those fit this sentence:

 

Hendry has repeatedly paid absurd prices to fill his roster with replacement level players for whom there is no market

 

Bako is a journeyman catcher who wasn't paid much and has been on 3 other teams after the Cubs. Blanco was going to be signed by the Yankees if the Cubs hadn't signed him in the offseason, so even though he's overpaid there was a market for him. Remlinger and Erye were overpaid, but neither are replacement level players. I'm not convinced that Howry is overpaid. None of those players fit all the qualifications of that sentence.

 

I think Hendry has overpaid a lot-but I challenged that post in particular because I think that sentence is overstating it, and I see variations of it all the time.

 

well, I'm not going to get into a semantic argument - my point is that hendry doesn't learn from his mistakes and regardless of the cost of the players, continues to stock the roster with players of limited or replacement level value.

 

What players on the 2007 roster, besides Izturis, some of the bench, and maybe, with a little exaggeration, Marquis, can be described as replacement level players?

 

Hendry doesn't stock the roster with replacement level talent. What he does do is overpay just about everybody, resulting in a team that has less talent than the payroll would indicate.

[Amazing_Grace]

To break it down, here are the bullet points for why Hendry is a bad GM.

 

1.) Bottom line, he has a sub .500 record as GM with a top 5 payroll in the NL. That's unacceptable by most anyone's definition.

 

:D

 

the thing about the payroll is it was Hendry who got the Cubs in the upper echelons of NL salary in the first place.

 

I was actually just struck by the irony that the first point was "The bottom line".

 

In so far as increasing the payroll goes, if spending more money didn't help than it can't be listed as an accomplishment. He spent a lot of that money on crappy bench players whose production could likely have been matched by cheaper options from the farm system. For example, what value does Henry Blanco bring to the team that they couldn't get out of Geovoni Soto? Why pay Neifi Perez 2 million to stink when Fontenot could have stunk for league minimum?

 

as I said early on in my post, I don't like alot of the things he does, and over spending for replacement level players is one of them. but I think you know I am not talking about the Glendon Rusch's and Henry Blanco's. before Hendry, the Cubs assembled no talent. one, maybe two guys were big time players and paid as such. again, it's easy to say it doesn't mean anything, but assembling the talent on the rosters that Hendry has assembled simply did not happen pre-Hendry.

 

there was ZERO legitimate hope before Hendry. before Hendry, there was pray for career years out of the entire roster. alot of people around here say that is still the case, but that's a load of BS. had the rosters Hendry assembled matched three year splits, or even come close, the playoffs would have been a regularity. as it turns out they did not, again mostly because of injuries.

 

how about this.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/1996.shtml

 

you want to go back to those days? look at that crap. that was life as a Cub fan before Hendry.

 

 

Yes, we're all aware the Cubs have had a lot of terrible teams a long time prior to Hendry's tenure. We haven't been to the World Series since Truman was President. The mid-90's Cubs were definitely some of the very worst we've seen. I'll not argue the point that those teams were worse than these in terms of raw talent.

 

Nevertheless, sucking in the past is not an excuse for sucking in the present. This excuse has been used by a lot of Cubs regimes pre-Hendry. Sucking as a team with crappy players making league minimum is not better than sucking as a team with talented players making big bucks. If you lose 95 games, you lose 95 games; does it really matter that Jacque Jones has a better career OPS than Brian McRae or that Derrek Lee hits more homers than Mark Grace?

[SaorsaDaonnan]

The argument that Hendry should be judged primarily or even entirely by the teams' win-loss record is ridiculous. I propose an alternate criterion:

 

A GM should be judged by the quality of his decisions alone. The quality of his decisions should be understood to mean the wisdom or merit of the choices he made, at the time he made them, with the information that was then available to him. Available evidence includes all data in his actual possession, all data which he might have obtained via procedures involving reasonable difficulty and cost, and all interpretive and evaluative material available to him through both the organization and the larger professional and analytic communities. Reasonable difficulty and cost should be defined as bounded by industry's best practices except in those instances where a preponderence of impartial and authoritative third parties can agree that industy standards are deficient or otherwise lacking.

 

Built into my proposed criterion is the idea that the GM is responsible for the coaches, scouts, and other managerial and developmental personnel in the organization.

[Careless]

How about Bako, Blanco, Remlinger, Eyre, and Howry?

 

I don't think any of those fit this sentence:

 

Hendry has repeatedly paid absurd prices to fill his roster with replacement level players for whom there is no market

 

Bako is a journeyman catcher who wasn't paid much and has been on 3 other teams after the Cubs. Blanco was going to be signed by the Yankees if the Cubs hadn't signed him in the offseason, so even though he's overpaid there was a market for him. Remlinger and Erye were overpaid, but neither are replacement level players. I'm not convinced that Howry is overpaid. None of those players fit all the qualifications of that sentence.

 

I think Hendry has overpaid a lot-but I challenged that post in particular because I think that sentence is overstating it, and I see variations of it all the time.

 

well, I'm not going to get into a semantic argument - my point is that hendry doesn't learn from his mistakes and regardless of the cost of the players, continues to stock the roster with players of limited or replacement level value.

 

I would argue that he did learn from his mistakes this year-Soriano, DeRosa, Ward, Floyd-none of those players are anywhere close to replacement level. The only one that was is Blanco-and that was only the high expense, because he's one of the better backup catchers out there.

closely related to a gigantic increase in payroll. If hendry had to scrimp, what do you think he'd have gotten?