5/4 Nationals (Bergmann) @ Cubs (Zambrano) 1:20pm WGN/720

[rynefan]

No kidding. I'd be going for the walk too. Why not? You get on base and also get to rattle Z's cage some more.

[RegulusBlue]

I'm so glad our ace decided to randomly start throwing sidearm.

[Banedon]

Odds that the Nationals get the leadoff man on every single inning this game?

 

Slim considering it didn't happen in the 2nd... :wink:

 

EDIT: nevermind...I misread the game log.

Edited May 4, 2007 by Banedon

[rynefan]

Yeah, he's a mess right at the moment.

[FergieJ31]

I see Z brought his Z game today :(

[swordsman]

60 pitches after 2 1/3 innings?

 

What the jiggins?

[C.C.]

I'm so glad our ace decided to randomly start throwing sidearm.

 

I don't get it? If he's hurt take him out, if he's not Rothschild should be out there asking him why the hell is he throwing sidearm.

[rynefan]

Good to see Ron back.

[C.C.]

Yeah, he's a mess right at the moment.

 

Really all year.

[RegulusBlue]

Who do you think is healthier now: Santo or Z?

[Brian]

Good to see Ron back.

 

quite the welcome back present he got

[RichHillIsABeast]

I'm so glad our ace decided to randomly start throwing sidearm.

 

I don't get it? If he's hurt take him out, if he's not Rothschild should be out there asking him why the hell is he throwing sidearm.

 

Rothschild knows. He doesn't seem concerned for some reason.

[rynefan]

Yeah, all year. I just didn't want to say it.

[OleMissCub]

I love Dmitri Young, big ole fat guy from Mississippi who can slug

[98navigator]

63 pitches 3IP

 

ridiculous

[FergieJ31]

I'm so glad our ace decided to randomly start throwing sidearm.

 

I don't get it? If he's hurt take him out, if he's not Rothschild should be out there asking him why the hell is he throwing sidearm.

 

Bingo. I've been saying the same thing in every one of Z's starts (well, except for Stl)

[Banedon]

A Cardinals fan buddy of mine is working at home and just IM'd me...

 

"When the hell did Zambrano become a sidearmer?"

[rynefan]

Hope his doc is on standby.

[Exile on Waveland]

I'm not saying that the catcher makes a huge deal, but I'd believe it makes some difference. Whether its enough to justify having personal catchers is highly highly doubtful.

Be prepared to be attacked by the baseball geniuses on here.

 

Do you not have a response to my post about the difference in the number of caught games having an effect on catcher ERA?

 

Barrett catches far more games. That means he's going to be in there for far more badly pitched games than Blanco is. If he's in there catching guys like Glendon Rusch and Les Walrond, while Blanco gets to be Z's personal catcher, who do you think is going to have the better catcher ERA?

 

Yes, and that is a dispositive argument as to why CERA is completely worthless and irrelevant -- catcher's catch different pitchers and different teams.

 

It is, however, NOT a dispositive argument in this instance. The initial post concerned one single pitcher, in one single season (month, actually). Therefore, the usual arguments against CERA have no merit.

 

That said, I'm not sure if there is a correlation, much less a causation. I think catcher's can affect pitcher performance, albeit not significantly. Zambrano's problems go deeper than who is behind the plate -- though that person may have some sort of affect, especially if Zambrano believes it does.

Edited May 4, 2007 by Exile on Waveland

[RegulusBlue]

No one has accused Rothschild of being a good pitching coach recently. Do you think he takes naps during games?

[Brian]

Z didn't even bring his bat

[rynefan]

I think he's online reading this thread.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I love Dmitri Young, big ole fat guy from Mississippi who can slug his girlfriend.

 

fixed

[Brian]

excuse me single

[Banedon]

I'm not saying that the catcher makes a huge deal, but I'd believe it makes some difference. Whether its enough to justify having personal catchers is highly highly doubtful.

Be prepared to be attacked by the baseball geniuses on here.

 

Do you not have a response to my post about the difference in the number of caught games having an effect on catcher ERA?

 

Barrett catches far more games. That means he's going to be in there for far more badly pitched games than Blanco is. If he's in there catching guys like Glendon Rusch and Les Walrond, while Blanco gets to be Z's personal catcher, who do you think is going to have the better catcher ERA?

 

Yes, and that is a dispositive argument as to why CERA is completely worthless and irrelevant -- catcher's catch different pitchers and different teams.

 

It is, however, NOT a dispositive argument in this instance. The initial post concerned one single pitcher, in one single season (month, actually). Therefore, the usual arguments against CERA have no merit.

 

That said, I'm not sure if there is a correlation, much less a causation. I think catcher's can affect pitcher performance, albeit not significantly. Zambrano's problems go deeper than who is behind the plate -- though that person may have some sort of affect, especially if Zambrano believes it does.

 

Actually, the argument was that if we don't believe that the catcher has an effect on pitching performance we were kidding ourselves. There is no evidence that it does, and I was pointing out that fact. Anyone can believe what they want, and that's fine, but it's certainly not so evident that anyone is "kidding themselves" to believe that it has no impact.