meet the new boss....

[Magnetic Curses]

....same as the old boss.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggregate?statType=batting&group=8&seasonType=2&type=exp1&sort=walks&split=0&season=2007

[Rusch33]

You thinking the hitting philosophy is going to change over night or what?

[Magnetic Curses]

You thinking the hitting philosophy is going to change over night or what?

 

philosophy? yes.

 

results, not really. but they should be faring better than they are now. that is if lou is really committed to improving the amount of non-outs this team makes.

 

the cubs simply will not win without taking a few more walks.

[CubColtPacer]

The team finished 64 walks behind every other team in the league last year, and 99 walks behind the team in third to last. They had quite a bit of work to do just to get past 2 teams.

 

Plus, look at the teams around them-4 of the 5 teams that are closest to them are division teams. That suggests that either almost the entire division has the same problem (which wasn't the case last year) or else these teams have been playing each other a lot, and there are a great deal of control pitchers inside the division. It could be either one, but it's impossible to tell right now.

 

There is one thing that is true-no matter what the reason for the low walks so far, the Cubs probably do need to get closer to the middle of the league in walks or better in order to really have a good offense.

[BigSlick]

Walking != OBP

 

OBP != Scoring Runs

 

These things help, sure, but they aren't the only thing that matters.

 

For an example: Cleveland is 3rd in OBP in the AL, and yet 3rd to last in runs scored.

 

Some of that is luck based, and don't even begin to think I'm arguing against OBP, but it is again, only one facet to scoring runs. (The most important one)

Edited April 22, 2007 by BigSlick

[Mephistopheles]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggregate?statType=batting&group=8&seasonType=2&type=reg&sort=avg&split=39&season=2007

[Magnetic Curses]

Walking != OBP

 

OBP != Scoring Runs

 

These things help, sure, but they aren't the only thing that matters.

 

i don't get what you're trying to say.

 

not making outs is very good for scoring opportunities. we still make a lot of them.

[Magnetic Curses]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggregate?statType=batting&group=8&seasonType=2&type=reg&sort=avg&split=39&season=2007

 

we always hit for a decent average under dusty baker, too. and this is generally how it worked out for us:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggregate?statType=batting&group=8&seasonType=2&type=reg&sort=runs&split=0&season=2007

Edited April 22, 2007 by Stannis

[BigSlick]

Walking != OBP

 

OBP != Scoring Runs

 

These things help, sure, but they aren't the only thing that matters.

 

i don't get what you're trying to say.

 

not making outs is very good for scoring opportunities. we still make a lot of them.

 

I edited it, and still I think i'm quite clear. Hitting + Walking = OBP, and SLG + OBP = Runs.

[Magnetic Curses]

Walking != OBP

 

OBP != Scoring Runs

 

These things help, sure, but they aren't the only thing that matters.

 

i don't get what you're trying to say.

 

not making outs is very good for scoring opportunities. we still make a lot of them.

 

I edited it, and still I think i'm quite clear. Hitting + Walking = OBP, and SLG + OBP = Runs.

 

okay, right on.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The thread title made me think of Who's the Boss which made me think of Alyssa Milano which, obviously, made me hit the GIS. Thanks a bunch.

[Mephistopheles]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggregate?statType=batting&group=8&seasonType=2&type=reg&sort=avg&split=39&season=2007

 

we always hit for a decent average under dusty baker, too. and this is generally how it worked out for us:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggregate?statType=batting&group=8&seasonType=2&type=reg&sort=runs&split=0&season=2007

 

look at the split....

[Brian]

not making outs is very good for scoring opportunities. we still make a lot of them.

 

I'm pretty sure we make the same amount of outs as everybody else!

 

 

 

(I understand what you are saying)

[A New Era]

The thread title made me think of Who's the Boss which made me think of Alyssa Milano which, obviously, made me hit the GIS. Thanks a bunch.

 

Thank god for wikipedia. I can't keep up with you folks! :)

[BigSlick]

The thread title made me think of Who's the Boss which made me think of Alyssa Milano which, obviously, made me hit the GIS. Thanks a bunch.

 

It should make you think of the Who.

 

:cry:

[imb]

The thread title made me think of Who's the Boss which made me think of Alyssa Milano which, obviously, made me hit the GIS. Thanks a bunch.

 

Read the Touch em All blog.

[BigbadB]

I think it's still too early to cast any judgments.

 

Philadelphia easily leads the league in walks and is at the top in OBP, yet they've scored 7 less runs than the Cubs. The Cubs and Phillies have comparable AVG and SLG.

 

Along with OBP and SLG is timely hitting. I would expect the Phillies to surpass the Cubs in runs scored very soon simply because they get so many runners on base and the timely hits just haven't been there.

 

But, I also expect the Cubs offense to walk a lot more than the Cubs teams of the past several years. I also don't think this particular Cub offense needs to lead the league in OBP. When all is said and done, they should be at or near the top in SLG. Couple a solid SLG along with a respectable OBP, and the runs will be there. Every starter on the Cubs except the SS is capable of putting up close to a .300 AVG with significant SLG.

[Magnetic Curses]

not making outs is very good for scoring opportunities. we still make a lot of them.

 

I'm pretty sure we make the same amount of outs as everybody else!

 

 

 

(I understand what you are saying)

 

it's the rate at which you make outs. sorry. :)

[Magnetic Curses]

I think it's still too early to cast any judgments.

 

Philadelphia easily leads the league in walks and is at the top in OBP, yet they've scored 7 less runs than the Cubs. The Cubs and Phillies have comparable AVG and SLG.

 

Along with OBP and SLG is timely hitting. I would expect the Phillies to surpass the Cubs in runs scored very soon simply because they get so many runners on base and the timely hits just haven't been there.

 

you have kind of answered your first paragraph with your second. i think philly led the league in runners LOB last season, as usually a team that gets so many people on base does. they'll score way more runs than we do this season, no doubt.

 

we WANT to be atop the league in LOB, that's a good thing. timely hitting means something now, but it won't at the end of the year, as you've hinted.

 

But, I also expect the Cubs offense to walk a lot more than the Cubs teams of the past several years. I also don't think this particular Cub offense needs to lead the league in OBP. When all is said and done, they should be at or near the top in SLG. Couple a solid SLG along with a respectable OBP, and the runs will be there. Every starter on the Cubs except the SS is capable of putting up close to a .300 AVG with significant SLG.

 

i don't think we need to lead the league in OBP, either, i'd settle for leading the league in ERA, that would assure us of a division title. or else, it would assure a non-cub team. this team might find a way to have a series of never-before-seen phenomena happen to them on their way to missing the playoffs.

[BigbadB]

I'm just saying that I'm staying away from the panic button at this point. While it would be nice to be at the top of the standings right now, it's way too early to predict what has happened in the first 3 weeks will dictate what happens for the remainder of the year.

 

Derrek Lee and Alfonso Soriano won't stay homerless. Every bat in the Cubs line up except SS can hit close to .300. While the OBP from Soriano, Jones, Izturis and DeRosa aren't going to wow anyone, if they can keep it somewhat respectable, Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, Murton, Floyd and Theriot should be able to neutralize the not so good OBP enough to put 4 or 5 runs on the board each game.

 

What I believe will make a huge difference this year is that I doubt there is anyone in the clubhouse urging these guys to be aggressive like in past seasons.

 

Soriano isn't going to be patient. He never has. But, if he can hit .300, his OBP will likely be close to .350. I'm not sure we can ask for much more than that. And if he provides a .500+ SLG along with that .340 or so OBP, he'd still be way more valuable than Pierre ever thought about being.