When are we moving Jaque to Make room for Pie in CF?

[rchap24]

My dream OF for the Cubs right now would be Soriano in right because he has the arm. Pie in CF because just from like three games its obvious that Pie is a good defensive CF. Keep Floyd/Murton platoon in left and there your OF is set. The trade rumors from the Blue Jays are they true? Who knows, but I think we should move jaque now seriously I dont care for what it doesn't really matter to me. Just wanted to see if you guys agree and what team might take Jaque?

[CubColtPacer]

I think the Cubs should hold off on that deal for now. If a good deal comes along, don't hesitate to do it, but I'd rather hold off for a couple reasons. 1)I think Jacque's value will be higher a little closer to the deadline. 2) If Pie comes up and plays center field, he is an automatic out against LHP, unless Soriano relents again and plays different positions based on the day (right field against RHP, center against LHP).

 

Pie has actually shown us a lot over the last couple days-more than I expected from a limited sample. In that, he's shown his talent, but his flaws have also been pretty evident. I wouldn't mind if he stayed in the majors, but I don't think he's good enough right now for me to really mind if he's sent down either.

[CUBZ99]

I think the Cubs should hold off on that deal for now. If a good deal comes along, don't hesitate to do it, but I'd rather hold off for a couple reasons. 1)I think Jacque's value will be higher a little closer to the deadline. 2) If Pie comes up and plays center field, he is an automatic out against LHP, unless Soriano relents again and plays different positions based on the day (right field against RHP, center against LHP).

 

Pie has actually shown us a lot over the last couple days-more than I expected from a limited sample. In that, he's shown his talent, but his flaws have also been pretty evident. I wouldn't mind if he stayed in the majors, but I don't think he's good enough right now for me to really mind if he's sent down either.

 

I disagree that Pie is an automatic out against LHP. Nobody has really seen him enough to determine if that is the case or not. He held his own well last night and hit the ball well twice, the ball just never found a hole.

 

I agree with Brenly, the best thing to do in regard to Pie is to play him everyday against every starting pitcher and let him adjust. One thing Pie has going for him is his speed. He is going to get alot of hits merely based upon his ability to get to 1st base in a hurry.

 

From everything I've seen from so far, he deserves a shot to stick for an extended period of time. His defense alone is a huge improvement over the other OF on the roster.

[CubColtPacer]

I think the Cubs should hold off on that deal for now. If a good deal comes along, don't hesitate to do it, but I'd rather hold off for a couple reasons. 1)I think Jacque's value will be higher a little closer to the deadline. 2) If Pie comes up and plays center field, he is an automatic out against LHP, unless Soriano relents again and plays different positions based on the day (right field against RHP, center against LHP).

 

Pie has actually shown us a lot over the last couple days-more than I expected from a limited sample. In that, he's shown his talent, but his flaws have also been pretty evident. I wouldn't mind if he stayed in the majors, but I don't think he's good enough right now for me to really mind if he's sent down either.

 

I disagree that Pie is an automatic out against LHP. Nobody has really seen him enough to determine if that is the case or not. He held his own well last night and hit the ball well twice, the ball just never found a hole.

 

I agree with Brenly, the best thing to do in regard to Pie is to play him everyday against every starting pitcher and let him adjust. One thing Pie has going for him is his speed. He is going to get alot of hits merely based upon his ability to get to 1st base in a hurry.

 

From everything I've seen from so far, he deserves a shot to stick for an extended period of time. His defense alone is a huge improvement over the other OF on the roster.

 

I'm not basing that off of seeing him but his minor league numbers, which indicates that he's not nearly as effective against left-handers. Maybe an automatic out is harsh though, because most of the loss is the complete lack of slugging from the left side. Here are his splits from last year:

 

Against RHP-.293/.349/.500

Against LHP-.256/.322/.327

 

He only had 8 XBH in 156 AB's against left-handers. Also, in the winter league Pie struggled mightily, and one of the reasons given was that they were trying to bat him against a higher number of LHP and that helped cause his horrible winter.

 

Maybe Pie will be better against LHP as the years progress, but right now he is a bad option in the lineup against them.

[davearm]

I disagree that Pie is an automatic out against LHP. Nobody has really seen him enough to determine if that is the case or not. He held his own well last night and hit the ball well twice, the ball just never found a hole.

 

I agree with Brenly, the best thing to do in regard to Pie is to play him everyday against every starting pitcher and let him adjust. One thing Pie has going for him is his speed. He is going to get alot of hits merely based upon his ability to get to 1st base in a hurry.

 

From everything I've seen from so far, he deserves a shot to stick for an extended period of time. His defense alone is a huge improvement over the other OF on the roster.

I disagree.

 

I'd use him in a platoon with Theriot for the first little while here. Give him 60-75% of the starts, and give the rest to Theriot (who Lou's trying to find ABs for anyway).

 

Ease him in a bit by protecting him from difficult matchups vs. LHP for the first couple of months, while he gets acclimated to the bigs and (hopefully) builds some confidence. Then gradually ramp him up to 100% duty.

 

The O's did this with their top prospect last year, Nick Markakis (also a LH OF). Worked beautifully, and the guy had a terrific second half after struggling initially.

[Backtobanks]

I disagree that Pie is an automatic out against LHP. Nobody has really seen him enough to determine if that is the case or not. He held his own well last night and hit the ball well twice, the ball just never found a hole.

 

I agree with Brenly, the best thing to do in regard to Pie is to play him everyday against every starting pitcher and let him adjust. One thing Pie has going for him is his speed. He is going to get alot of hits merely based upon his ability to get to 1st base in a hurry.

 

From everything I've seen from so far, he deserves a shot to stick for an extended period of time. His defense alone is a huge improvement over the other OF on the roster.

I disagree.

 

I'd use him in a platoon with Theriot for the first little while here. Give him 60-75% of the starts, and give the rest to Theriot (who Lou's trying to find ABs for anyway).

 

Ease him in a bit by protecting him from difficult matchups vs. LHP for the first couple of months, while he gets acclimated to the bigs and (hopefully) builds some confidence. Then gradually ramp him up to 100% duty.

 

The O's did this with their top prospect last year, Nick Markakis (also a LH OF). Worked beautifully, and the guy had a terrific second half after struggling initially.

 

Today's Tribune basically shoots down Theriot in the OF unless there is an emergency. I'm not sure what Jones can get for us now, but I would think at some point a package of Jones, Eyre, and/or Miller should get us something decent. Also, I wonder about Piniella saying he wants a "set" lineup while playing around with the versatility of Theriot, Derosa, Murton, and Soriano. Something has to happen soon (trade Jones or Pie to AAA) because Piniella has said he would prefer to carry 12 pitchers.

[soapy]

One thing that Lou said when the season started was that he thought the first 16 games or so (about one tenth of the season, he said) was a good time to play around with some different things and try to figure out what might work best. Today is the Cubs' 16th game. Certainly the injury to Soriano has shaken things up a bit, but Lou may be getting close to figuring out exactly how he wants to use everybody, at least for the foreseeable future.

 

Perhaps we'll start seeing more of a "regular" lineup in the next week or so, or at least when Soriano gets settled back in instead of seeing guys like Theriot, DeRosa, Murton and Jones bounce around the diamond. If and when the dust settles, Jones may be the odd man out in the OF and end up getting shopped at that point.

[Illini Iceman]

One thing that Lou said when the season started was that he thought the first 16 games or so (about one tenth of the season, he said) was a good time to play around with some different things and try to figure out what might work best. Today is the Cubs' 16th game. Certainly the injury to Soriano has shaken things up a bit, but Lou may be getting close to figuring out exactly how he wants to use everybody, at least for the foreseeable future.

 

Perhaps we'll start seeing more of a "regular" lineup in the next week or so, or at least when Soriano gets settled back in instead of seeing guys like Theriot, DeRosa, Murton and Jones bounce around the diamond. If and when the dust settles, Jones may be the odd man out in the OF and end up getting shopped at that point.

 

If that is the case I wish he would have "played around" with Theriot at SS. Once Soriano is back he could go with a lineup of Soriano, Theriot, Lee, ARam, Murton/Floyd, Jones, Barret, DeRosa. That would have to produce some runs.

[HoopsCubs]

My dream OF for the Cubs right now would be Soriano in right because he has the arm. Pie in CF because just from like three games its obvious that Pie is a good defensive CF. Keep Floyd/Murton platoon in left and there your OF is set. The trade rumors from the Blue Jays are they true? Who knows, but I think we should move jaque now seriously I dont care for what it doesn't really matter to me. Just wanted to see if you guys agree and what team might take Jaque?

 

Based on what my sources told me, I have no doubt that Jim Hendry went down every promising path to make a deal this offseason to ship Jacque Jones off. It seems the teams that were showing interest just did not want to give Hendry much in return and were not willing to take on much salary.

 

One source told me in early March that Hendry decided to wait for a month into the season until he would re-start Jones talks, as he felt that several teams would assess their OF situation then and realize that Jones would be an upgrade. Well, that month is now here.

 

Looking at some of the teams' OF situation 3 weeks into the season, I feel there is a market for Jones.

 

For fun, look up the stats for the starting OFs below. These guys are struggling - sure, some, maybe most will eventually snap out of their funk. But some are just not going to get better, and their teams could probably be better convinced that Jacque would be an upgrade. I feel Hendry can get a club to take on half of Jones's remaining salary and get a prospect in return.

 

Seattle: Ibanez, Guillen

San Francisco: Winn, Roberts

San Diego: Cameron

Arizona: Hairston

White Sox: Podsednik

Detroit: Monroe

Florida: Borchard

Kansas City: Brown

Oakland: Stewart

Texas: Cruz, Catalanotto

Toronto: Johnson, Lind

 

And then there's everybody's favorite rumour: San Diego trades Linebrink to Philadelphia for Victorino; Phillies turn around and trade Lieber and a prospect to the Cubs for Jones and Ohman.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

And then there's everybody's favorite rumour: San Diego trades Linebrink to Philadelphia for Victorino; Phillies turn around and trade Lieber and a prospect to the Cubs for Jones and Ohman.

 

SOLD!

[WrigleyField 22]

And then there's everybody's favorite rumour: San Diego trades Linebrink to Philadelphia for Victorino; Phillies turn around and trade Lieber and a prospect to the Cubs for Jones and Ohman.

 

SOLD!

 

Lieber hasn't been the same since 2002 with the Cubs, and he is making $7.5, although it is up after that.

 

I'll pass because we also lose Ohman who despite his struggles has proven to be an effective LOOGY.

[Soul]

Jacque must be nigh untradeable. Otherwise he would have been moved by now.

[TheDude]

Jacque must be nigh untradeable. Otherwise he would have been moved by now.

That's not the case. I think teams have been offering fifty cents on the dollar, and Hendry wants more.

 

I'm sure there have been offers on the table, just not favorable offers.

[TheDude]

Looking at some of the teams' OF situation 3 weeks into the season, I feel there is a market for Jones.

 

For fun, look up the stats for the starting OFs below. These guys are struggling - sure, some, maybe most will eventually snap out of their funk. But some are just not going to get better, and their teams could probably be better convinced that Jacque would be an upgrade. I feel Hendry can get a club to take on half of Jones's remaining salary and get a prospect in return.

 

I'm surprised you didn't mention the Angels. They've been awful in hitting (3.68 Runs per game in 19 games), and Garret Anderson particularly has been very bad.

 

Collectively, the Angels LF has an OPS just over .600, and all their DH hitters combined have an OPS of .517 (led mainly by a flat-out dismal Shea Hillenbrand).

 

Jacque Jones, even while struggling a bit compared to last year's numbers, dwarfs the production of half the Angels options at DH and plays a better LF than Anderson (these days).

[mg420]

And then there's everybody's favorite rumour: San Diego trades Linebrink to Philadelphia for Victorino; Phillies turn around and trade Lieber and a prospect to the Cubs for Jones and Ohman.

 

SOLD!

 

3 good reasons the cubs dont need lieber:

 

guzman

marmol

gallagher

[HoopsCubs]

Looking at some of the teams' OF situation 3 weeks into the season, I feel there is a market for Jones.

 

For fun, look up the stats for the starting OFs below. These guys are struggling - sure, some, maybe most will eventually snap out of their funk. But some are just not going to get better, and their teams could probably be better convinced that Jacque would be an upgrade. I feel Hendry can get a club to take on half of Jones's remaining salary and get a prospect in return.

 

I'm surprised you didn't mention the Angels. They've been awful in hitting (3.68 Runs per game in 19 games), and Garret Anderson particularly has been very bad.

 

Collectively, the Angels LF has an OPS just over .600, and all their DH hitters combined have an OPS of .517 (led mainly by a flat-out dismal Shea Hillenbrand).

 

Jacque Jones, even while struggling a bit compared to last year's numbers, dwarfs the production of half the Angels options at DH and plays a better LF than Anderson (these days).

 

Good catch! And Jacque is from Southern California. Hmmm...

[Ding Dong Johnson]

And then there's everybody's favorite rumour: San Diego trades Linebrink to Philadelphia for Victorino; Phillies turn around and trade Lieber and a prospect to the Cubs for Jones and Ohman.

 

SOLD!

 

3 good reasons the cubs dont need lieber:

 

guzman

marmol

gallagher

 

Except Lieber is better than all 3 right now, and Marmol and Gallagher aren't ML-ready pitchers. I'm all for Guzman taking over the 5th spot, but I'm also ready for Jones and Ohman to move on. Lieber + prospect + Guzman > Jones + Ohman.

[mg420]

And then there's everybody's favorite rumour: San Diego trades Linebrink to Philadelphia for Victorino; Phillies turn around and trade Lieber and a prospect to the Cubs for Jones and Ohman.

 

SOLD!

 

3 good reasons the cubs dont need lieber:

 

guzman

marmol

gallagher

 

Except Lieber is better than all 3 right now, and Marmol and Gallagher aren't ML-ready pitchers. I'm all for Guzman taking over the 5th spot, but I'm also ready for Jones and Ohman to move on. Lieber + prospect + Guzman > Jones + Ohman.

 

what makes you think that? his almost 5 era last year or his whole 8 ip this year? either way, there is no way he's worth 7.5 mil a year. i really hope they can get something for jones but imo they should keep ohman and launch eyre somehow. as for those silly pseudo equations, i really wish people would stop using them as they are quite meaningless (especially coming from people who rely so heavily on stats).

[Amazing_Grace]

The time has come. That time is now. Mr. Jim Hendry will you trade Jones now.

[NewUserName]

I was looking at the Detroit Tigers last night thinking they sure could use a LHed bat in the outfield.

 

Also since the White Sox seem to refuse to play Anderson and Podsednik is hurt. May they be interested in a Jacque Jones?

[rchap24]

Ha ok I know I started this subject just on Jones and I would trade him to phili for lieber in a second, but new theory trade Ceasar so theriot can play full time SS and derosa doesnt have to sit. Let me know what you think

[Backtobanks]

Ha ok I know I started this subject just on Jones and I would trade him to phili for lieber in a second, but new theory trade Ceasar so theriot can play full time SS and derosa doesnt have to sit. Let me know what you think

 

Package Jones, Izturis, Eyre, and Miller for a decent middle IF and a good prospect or two.

[moorecg]

Ha ok I know I started this subject just on Jones and I would trade him to phili for lieber in a second, but new theory trade Ceasar so theriot can play full time SS and derosa doesnt have to sit. Let me know what you think

 

Package Jones, Izturis, Eyre, and Miller for a decent middle IF and a good prospect or two.

 

So the proposal would be...."Here, someone take all our crap, and give us back something good and some prospects?"

 

Someone call Pittsburgh. (Sorry Jake).

[TheDude]

Ha ok I know I started this subject just on Jones and I would trade him to phili for lieber in a second, but new theory trade Ceasar so theriot can play full time SS and derosa doesnt have to sit. Let me know what you think

 

Package Jones, Izturis, Eyre, and Miller for a decent middle IF and a good prospect or two.

 

No team can afford to lose (or alternatively add) guys on the 25 man roster. That's just not going to happen.

 

The Cubs should look to move Jones first, and a pitcher like Eyre if it improves the return.

[jersey cubs fan]

No team can afford to lose (or alternatively add) guys on the 25 man roster. That's just not going to happen.

 

What do you mean by this? Teams make 2 for 1, 3 for 1 and 3 for 2 type trades every year. Pretty much every team has roster flexibility, where they can option somebody out, release guys or make call-ups if they make a deal that is not 1 for 1.