A-Rod talkin' like Mr. Cub

[soccer10k]

There is the possibility, although not likely, that if ARod opts out he might not want to max out his value in a new contract and take a little less money to play somewhere he likes. Not saying it's likely, but it's possible.

[CubsInNC]

Has anyone brought up that his contract is partially being paid for by the Rangers? He waived his NTC in 2/04, allowing trade to NY with 7 years/$183M remaining. Texas agreed to pay remaining $4M in signing bonus & $67M of remaining $179M in salary. New York agreed to pay $112 of the remaining $179M in salary. That means, on average, the Cubs would only be trading for $112 million dollars over 7 seasons from 2004-2010. He has already played 2004-2006 (and most likely will play one more season in NY). That would be 2007-2010 at about $18 million per season if you assume $9 million has been subtracted each year.

 

If I were ARod, I wouldn't opt out of that when you can request a trade to the Cubs getting the Yankees some players, the Cubs get a discounted salary, and ARod gets his whole salary. Only Texas continues to suffer.

 

Basically, he's getting paid $108mil total from this season through 2010. Although in 2001 he agreed to defer $4mil/yr for 2007 & 2008, and $5mil/yr for 2009 and 2010. So, he's down to $23mil-$23mil-$22mil-$22mil for the seasons 2007-2010. *If* Texas's contributions to the salary after paying deferred money, are evenly distributed, that brings A-Rod down to a cost to any team of $17mil-$17mil-$16mil-$16mil for the 2007-2010 time frame. If the Yankees raise his salary for 2009 and 2010 $5mil/yr (their cost of $21mil) he doesn't get to opt out. To me, that's almost a feasible thing for them to do.

 

http://www.rangerfans.com/roster/former/alex_rodriguez.html

 

I had found that site as well, but it neglects to mention that the loss in money for A-Rod is due to a negotiated drop in interest rate for the deferred money. They say that he's lost money, but if you add up their numbers, he's actually several million ahead in that scenario ($249mil + $10mil in bonus - or $6mil from 01-03 if they include that in their scenario). No way, no how the MLBPA then, or now, let him give up guaranteed money. They let him re-negotiate the interest rate, and thus had to give their approval on that, not him dropping actual guaranteed funds from his contract. Both Rangerfans and mlb4u use data that doesn't add up. Check Cots.

 

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/12/alex-rodriguez_01.html

[Guest]

The misconception of the agent/client relationship is that most people (then non hardcore fans) think the player works for the agents. That is not the case. The agent works for the player, and said agent negotiations in his client's best interests.

 

With that said, if ARod wants to opt out of his contract and sign a "below market value" or even right at market value (see Tejeda's deal), then it is in the agent's best interests to make the deal. Now while in this case, Boras will try and sell ARod on getting as much as he can in the new deal---provided ARod opts out---I have this feeling, after being publicly beaten up since signing that deal, and the kind of player he is (a tad senstive), I could see him taking a not-so-standoutish deal to get the spotlight off of him. I'm not saying this will happen, I'm just saying, ARod may not be interested in signing another $20 mill per yr deal, knowing what kind of pressure he could face.

 

And you KNOW, the Texas Rangers are hoping he opts out of his contract, because the Rangers would be off the hook for ALOT of money.

[davearm]

And you KNOW, the Texas Rangers are hoping he opts out of his contract, because the Rangers would be off the hook for ALOT of money.

And this is precisely why ARod is unlikely to opt out.

 

Since the Rangers are subsidizing a large share of the contract for the next 4 years ARod is going to get above-market money per year ($27M), while whichever team ARod is playing for will pay below-market rates per year ($16-$18M).

 

And if that team is not the NYY, the Yankees stand to benefit much more from accomodating ARod with a trade (even if it's for 50 cents on the dollar) than risk having him opt out and get nothing.

 

The best-case scenario for the Cubbies is that ARod and NYY come to a mutual decision to part ways at some point this year, ARod uses his NTC to dictate a trade to the Cubs, and NYY, having basically no leverage, accepts a modest return in the trade.

[dew1679666265]

And you KNOW, the Texas Rangers are hoping he opts out of his contract, because the Rangers would be off the hook for ALOT of money.

And this is precisely why ARod is unlikely to opt out.

 

Since the Rangers are subsidizing a large share of the contract for the next 4 years ARod is going to get above-market money per year ($27M), while whichever team ARod is playing for will pay below-market rates per year ($16-$18M).

 

And if that team is not the NYY, the Yankees stand to benefit much more from accomodating ARod with a trade (even if it's for 50 cents on the dollar) than risk having him opt out and get nothing.

 

The best-case scenario for the Cubbies is that ARod and NYY come to a mutual decision to part ways at some point this year, ARod uses his NTC to dictate a trade to the Cubs, and NYY, having basically no leverage, accepts a modest return in the trade.

 

If his #1 concern at this point is winning though, would it not benefit him more to opt out and not force the team that takes him to have to give up talent.

The Yankees aren't going to accept only prospects, any ARod deal will have to include major league talent and that hurts any team ARod goes to.

So, if he's comfortable with the way his bank account looks (like CarolinaCubFan said, I think) and primarily wants to go somewhere to win, the more logical move would be to opt out and not cost his new team any of their major league talent.

[Sammy Sofa]

And you KNOW, the Texas Rangers are hoping he opts out of his contract, because the Rangers would be off the hook for ALOT of money.

And this is precisely why ARod is unlikely to opt out.

 

Since the Rangers are subsidizing a large share of the contract for the next 4 years ARod is going to get above-market money per year ($27M), while whichever team ARod is playing for will pay below-market rates per year ($16-$18M).

 

And if that team is not the NYY, the Yankees stand to benefit much more from accomodating ARod with a trade (even if it's for 50 cents on the dollar) than risk having him opt out and get nothing.

 

The best-case scenario for the Cubbies is that ARod and NYY come to a mutual decision to part ways at some point this year, ARod uses his NTC to dictate a trade to the Cubs, and NYY, having basically no leverage, accepts a modest return in the trade.

 

If his #1 concern at this point is winning though, would it not benefit him more to opt out and not force the team that takes him to have to give up talent.

The Yankees aren't going to accept only prospects, any ARod deal will have to include major league talent and that hurts any team ARod goes to.

So, if he's comfortable with the way his bank account looks (like CarolinaCubFan said, I think) and primarily wants to go somewhere to win, the more logical move would be to opt out and not cost his new team any of their major league talent.

 

Or what if the team he's going to needs to trade away some of their talent to make room for ARod's salary?

[davearm]

And you KNOW, the Texas Rangers are hoping he opts out of his contract, because the Rangers would be off the hook for ALOT of money.

And this is precisely why ARod is unlikely to opt out.

 

Since the Rangers are subsidizing a large share of the contract for the next 4 years ARod is going to get above-market money per year ($27M), while whichever team ARod is playing for will pay below-market rates per year ($16-$18M).

 

And if that team is not the NYY, the Yankees stand to benefit much more from accomodating ARod with a trade (even if it's for 50 cents on the dollar) than risk having him opt out and get nothing.

 

The best-case scenario for the Cubbies is that ARod and NYY come to a mutual decision to part ways at some point this year, ARod uses his NTC to dictate a trade to the Cubs, and NYY, having basically no leverage, accepts a modest return in the trade.

 

If his #1 concern at this point is winning though, would it not benefit him more to opt out and not force the team that takes him to have to give up talent.

The Yankees aren't going to accept only prospects, any ARod deal will have to include major league talent and that hurts any team ARod goes to.

So, if he's comfortable with the way his bank account looks (like CarolinaCubFan said, I think) and primarily wants to go somewhere to win, the more logical move would be to opt out and not cost his new team any of their major league talent.

If he opts out, he's going to cost either himself or his new team a ton of money that would otherwise have been paid out by the Rangers. Something on the order of $10M a year, IIRC.

 

Now $10M doesn't buy what it used to, but you can probably replace the major league talent that you traded away with that kind of cash.

[dew1679666265]

And you KNOW, the Texas Rangers are hoping he opts out of his contract, because the Rangers would be off the hook for ALOT of money.

And this is precisely why ARod is unlikely to opt out.

 

Since the Rangers are subsidizing a large share of the contract for the next 4 years ARod is going to get above-market money per year ($27M), while whichever team ARod is playing for will pay below-market rates per year ($16-$18M).

 

And if that team is not the NYY, the Yankees stand to benefit much more from accomodating ARod with a trade (even if it's for 50 cents on the dollar) than risk having him opt out and get nothing.

 

The best-case scenario for the Cubbies is that ARod and NYY come to a mutual decision to part ways at some point this year, ARod uses his NTC to dictate a trade to the Cubs, and NYY, having basically no leverage, accepts a modest return in the trade.

 

If his #1 concern at this point is winning though, would it not benefit him more to opt out and not force the team that takes him to have to give up talent.

The Yankees aren't going to accept only prospects, any ARod deal will have to include major league talent and that hurts any team ARod goes to.

So, if he's comfortable with the way his bank account looks (like CarolinaCubFan said, I think) and primarily wants to go somewhere to win, the more logical move would be to opt out and not cost his new team any of their major league talent.

 

Or what if the team he's going to needs to trade away some of their talent to make room for ARod's salary?

 

The idea is, he signs with a team he wants for less than market value. If the key for him is to win a championship and he isn't looking specifically at making as much money as he can, it would only make sense to save said team money.

Thus, he opts out of his contract w/ the Yankees and signs with the Cubs (for instance) for $12-15 million instead of the likely market value of $20+ million. Again, if his primary concern is still money (nothing wrong with that) the trade would be the better option for both sides, but if his concern is winning a championship with less emphasis on money, this is the route to go.

[dew1679666265]

And you KNOW, the Texas Rangers are hoping he opts out of his contract, because the Rangers would be off the hook for ALOT of money.

And this is precisely why ARod is unlikely to opt out.

 

Since the Rangers are subsidizing a large share of the contract for the next 4 years ARod is going to get above-market money per year ($27M), while whichever team ARod is playing for will pay below-market rates per year ($16-$18M).

 

And if that team is not the NYY, the Yankees stand to benefit much more from accomodating ARod with a trade (even if it's for 50 cents on the dollar) than risk having him opt out and get nothing.

 

The best-case scenario for the Cubbies is that ARod and NYY come to a mutual decision to part ways at some point this year, ARod uses his NTC to dictate a trade to the Cubs, and NYY, having basically no leverage, accepts a modest return in the trade.

 

If his #1 concern at this point is winning though, would it not benefit him more to opt out and not force the team that takes him to have to give up talent.

The Yankees aren't going to accept only prospects, any ARod deal will have to include major league talent and that hurts any team ARod goes to.

So, if he's comfortable with the way his bank account looks (like CarolinaCubFan said, I think) and primarily wants to go somewhere to win, the more logical move would be to opt out and not cost his new team any of their major league talent.

If he opts out, he's going to cost either himself or his new team a ton of money that would otherwise have been paid out by the Rangers. Something on the order of $10M a year, IIRC.

 

Now $10M doesn't buy what it used to, but you can probably replace the major league talent that you traded away with that kind of cash.

 

Again, it depends on what he's looking for. If his emphasis is still on money and he looks for the largest dollar amount then sure, the trade is better. But, if he wants to go somewhere he likes and play for a manager he likes and have a good to great shot at a championship, it makes sense to opt out and take a paycut.

[davearm]

The idea is, he signs with a team he wants for less than market value. If the key for him is to win a championship and he isn't looking specifically at making as much money as he can, it would only make sense to save said team money.

Thus, he opts out of his contract w/ the Yankees and signs with the Cubs (for instance) for $12-15 million instead of the likely market value of $20+ million. Again, if his primary concern is still money (nothing wrong with that) the trade would be the better option for both sides, but if his concern is winning a championship with less emphasis on money, this is the route to go.

C'mon now, ARod's not going to volunteer to take a 50% paycut, especially since the lion's share of the savings would not be realized by his new team, but by the Rangers.

 

Think about it for a minute. If ARod voids his $27m/yr deal and resigns someplace else for $15M/yr, the Rangers get out from under ~$10M/yr, and his new team saves ~$2M/yr. Makes no sense.

[10man]

It would be ironic if both ARod and Soriano end up on the same team. I mean aren't these the 2 guys who were traded for each other in that blockbuster deal? hahaha, nice to dream isn't it?

[dew1679666265]

The idea is, he signs with a team he wants for less than market value. If the key for him is to win a championship and he isn't looking specifically at making as much money as he can, it would only make sense to save said team money.

Thus, he opts out of his contract w/ the Yankees and signs with the Cubs (for instance) for $12-15 million instead of the likely market value of $20+ million. Again, if his primary concern is still money (nothing wrong with that) the trade would be the better option for both sides, but if his concern is winning a championship with less emphasis on money, this is the route to go.

C'mon now, ARod's not going to volunteer to take a 50% paycut, especially since the lion's share of the savings would not be realized by his new team, but by the Rangers.

 

Think about it for a minute. If ARod voids his $27m/yr deal and resigns someplace else for $15M/yr, the Rangers get out from under ~$10M/yr, and his new team saves ~$2M/yr. Makes no sense.

 

It's not all that far-fetched. True, the team he's going to saves around $2M but they also don't have the cost of giving up major league talent. If the Cubs could bring in ARod for $15M and that's it, wouldn't it be better than bringing him in for $17M and Aramis or Guzman and Marshall?

As for benefitting ARod, by opting out he gives himself the ability to have complete freedom over which team he goes to. If the Yankees are shopping him and the Angels (for instance) offer Kendrick, Weaver and Santana, the Yanks would be stupid for turning it down and ARod would be forced to either stay there (via NTC) or using the opt-out clause.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Seriously, ARod coming here would be a dream come true, but theres no chance.

 

He's not going to opt out of his contract. It's just a bullpoopy storyline the NYC media has been running forever.

 

ARod has never shown any real interest in opting out, and I'm pretty sure deep down we all know it.

 

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[Jazz]

to me, the most likely, and best scenario is to get A-Rod in a trade midseason or after 07. If plug in the numberss of his contract, and the extensions prior (if he pitches like we hope) and z will want, you get:

 

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1469/picture4bt1.png

 

so hypothetically speaking, the only way we can fit A-Rod is if we can trade one of, or both of Lily and Maquis, and we can get production out of our young arms to be the back end of our rotation. Also, we'll need the salary cap to keep expanding to around 140-150 in 2010.

Edited March 5, 2007 by Jazz

[soccer10k]

to me, the most likely, and best scenario is to get A-Rod in a trade midseason or after 07. If plug in the numberss of his contract, and the extensions prior (if he pitches like we hope) and z will want, you get:

 

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/460/picture3sm4.png

 

so hypothetically speaking, the only way we can fit A-Rod is if we can trade one of, or both of Lily and Maquis, and we can get production out of our young arms to be the back end of our rotation. Also, we'll need the salary cap to keep expanding to around 140-150 in 2010.

 

Wow. Prior is going to be worth $115 million in 2012? What's he going to do over the next couple years to deserve that kind of cash :wink:

[Jazz]

to me, the most likely, and best scenario is to get A-Rod in a trade midseason or after 07. If plug in the numberss of his contract, and the extensions prior (if he pitches like we hope) and z will want, you get:

 

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/460/picture3sm4.png

 

so hypothetically speaking, the only way we can fit A-Rod is if we can trade one of, or both of Lily and Maquis, and we can get production out of our young arms to be the back end of our rotation. Also, we'll need the salary cap to keep expanding to around 140-150 in 2010.

 

Wow. Prior is going to be worth $115 million in 2012? What's he going to do over the next couple years to deserve that kind of cash :wink:

 

dam typos

[SouthSideRyan]

Zambrano's deal would likely be heavily backloaded. And that seems like an overestimation on Prior's contract in '08.

[goonys evil twin]

Seriously, ARod coming here would be a dream come true, but theres no chance.

 

He's not going to opt out of his contract. It's just a bullpoopy storyline the NYC media has been running forever.

 

ARod has never shown any real interest in opting out, and I'm pretty sure deep down we all know it.

 

Edited by mod for inappropriate language.

 

How are you so certain? If, after 2007 he and his agent believe he could sign a new deal that guarantees him more than what he is guaranteed on the last three years on his contract, he'd be stupid not to opt-out. And he could very well surpass what remains.

 

What does it mean to "show real interest in opting out"? It doesn't do the player much good to talk about it long before it happens. Ramirez didn't really show much interest, Drew didn't talk about it all the time.

 

Given that Texas owes ARod many millions, they will want him to opt out. What they should think about is negotiating a settlement with ARod that guarantees him a portion of the money they still owe him, offsetting what ARod would be giving up.

[CarolinaCubFan]

Seriously, ARod coming here would be a dream come true, but theres no chance.

 

He's not going to opt out of his contract. It's just a bullpoopy storyline the NYC media has been running forever.

 

ARod has never shown any real interest in opting out, and I'm pretty sure deep down we all know it.

 

Edited by mod for inappropriate language.

 

How are you so certain? If, after 2007 he and his agent believe he could sign a new deal that guarantees him more than what he is guaranteed on the last three years on his contract, he'd be stupid not to opt-out. And he could very well surpass what remains.

 

What does it mean to "show real interest in opting out"? It doesn't do the player much good to talk about it long before it happens. Ramirez didn't really show much interest, Drew didn't talk about it all the time.

 

Given that Texas owes ARod many millions, they will want him to opt out. What they should think about is negotiating a settlement with ARod that guarantees him a portion of the money they still owe him, offsetting what ARod would be giving up.

 

BacktoBanks mentioned a 3-way, Blaylock going to NY. Do you see a feasible scenario that Texas could get out of some of that money owed to Arod?

[goonys evil twin]

BacktoBanks mentioned a 3-way, Blaylock going to NY. Do you see a feasible scenario that Texas could get out of some of that money owed to Arod?

 

Without him opting out? I guess the only way I could see that happening is if those three teams do pull off a 3-way trade, and the Cubs and Yankees kick in some cash to entice Texas.

 

The Rangers best case scenario is ARod opting out.

The Yankees want to keep ARod without opting out, or trade him for value.

Theoretically, the Cubs would have to decide whether they want to trade for him, or wait and hope to just sign him next year.

 

I really don't see any realistic way in which the Rangers get out from what they owe without ARod opting out.

[CarolinaCubFan]

BacktoBanks mentioned a 3-way, Blaylock going to NY. Do you see a feasible scenario that Texas could get out of some of that money owed to Arod?

 

Without him opting out? I guess the only way I could see that happening is if those three teams do pull off a 3-way trade, and the Cubs and Yankees kick in some cash to entice Texas.

 

The Rangers best case scenario is ARod opting out.

The Yankees want to keep ARod without opting out, or trade him for value.

Theoretically, the Cubs would have to decide whether they want to trade for him, or wait and hope to just sign him next year.

 

I really don't see any realistic way in which the Rangers get out from what they owe without ARod opting out.

 

I'm not a genious on contract stuff is why I'm asking. I know we don't have unlimited funds, but what if we absorb a little of the money owed by Texas. I know these scenario's are unlikely, but I'm not on board with there is no chance either.

 

Yanks get Blaylock

Cubs get Arod

Rangers get cash and prospects

 

Not that this would work, but something similar. The Yanks come out getting a bit of the shaft, but at least they would get something for him. Of course, it all comes down to Arod wanting to play in Chicago.

[Garwilly]

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/page2/topstory/03052007_pg2_big.jpg

 

 

Courtesy of ESPN, the image on the front page has him in a Cubs hat.

 

 

NOTE:THEY ARE JUST COMMENTING ON THE INTERVIEW< NOT SAYING ANYTHING HAS OR WILL BE DONE!!

[David]

Haven't been able to find the pic of him in a Cubs hat.

 

Wish it would happen. Looks like it might be hard to get done, though.

[Garwilly]

Haven't been able to find the pic of him in a Cubs hat.

 

Wish it would happen. Looks like it might be hard to get done, though.

 

ESPN front page, bottom right, on the "Page 2" tab.

[Garwilly]

They updated the link I posted too.