The Cub Reporter: Guzman Looking Great

[goonys evil twin]

I agree but the numbers game may come into play that determines what happens and also the deals Hendry made to sign Miller and any others. I'm not saying that's right but it may be wh something that doesn't seem right may happen.

 

Okay, that's one thing, but Wuertz doesn't have to have a better spring than 2006 to win a job. That's the silly thing. It would be silly to option him just to keep Miller, unless Miller looks really good. Basically, the only reason he should be optioned is if everybody else is healthy and looks really good. That's the only point where he should be squeezed. And that's the least likely scenario.

[CubColtPacer]

I agree but the numbers game may come into play that determines what happens and also the deals Hendry made to sign Miller and any others. I'm not saying that's right but it may be wh something that doesn't seem right may happen.

 

Okay, that's one thing, but Wuertz doesn't have to have a better spring than 2006 to win a job. That's the silly thing. It would be silly to option him just to keep Miller, unless Miller looks really good. Basically, the only reason he should be optioned is if everybody else is healthy and looks really good. That's the only point where he should be squeezed. And that's the least likely scenario.

 

When you're saying everyone else though, it's really only Prior, Miller, and Wuertz-3 men fighting for 2 spots. If Prior is healthy, he'll get one of them-so then it just comes down to who pitches better-Miller or Wuertz. If they pitch about the same, then Wuertz should get the nod.

[CuseCubFan69]

I agree but the numbers game may come into play that determines what happens and also the deals Hendry made to sign Miller and any others. I'm not saying that's right but it may be why something that doesn't seem right may happen.

 

Okay, that's one thing, but Wuertz doesn't have to have a better spring than 2006 to win a job. That's the silly thing. It would be silly to option him just to keep Miller, unless Miller looks really good. Basically, the only reason he should be optioned is if everybody else is healthy and looks really good. That's the only point where he should be squeezed. And that's the least likely scenario.

 

Miller, Wood and Prior are all wildcards at this point and they each could start on the DL for all we know. I'd love to have Wood + Prior on the opening day roster ready and healthy and to have this be a heck of a hard decision for Lou to make.

 

As a new manager I wonder how Lou will look at Weurtz. Novoa has the sexy thing going for him with his fastball but we all know Weurtz does a better job of getting hitters out. I'm really curious on how Lou is going to look at this.

[Laura]

It's worth reading the full update. I pulled out the Wuertz notes because they were in the comments section in a response vs in the main part of the article.

 

He says Rich Hill threw exceptionally well yesterday.

[Magnetic Curses]

I agree but the numbers game may come into play that determines what happens and also the deals Hendry made to sign Miller and any others. I'm not saying that's right but it may be why something that doesn't seem right may happen.

 

Okay, that's one thing, but Wuertz doesn't have to have a better spring than 2006 to win a job. That's the silly thing. It would be silly to option him just to keep Miller, unless Miller looks really good. Basically, the only reason he should be optioned is if everybody else is healthy and looks really good. That's the only point where he should be squeezed. And that's the least likely scenario.

 

Miller, Wood and Prior are all wildcards at this point and they each could start on the DL for all we know. I'd love to have Wood + Prior on the opening day roster ready and healthy and to have this be a heck of a hard decision for Lou to make.

 

As a new manager I wonder how Lou will look at Weurtz. Novoa has the sexy thing going for him with his fastball but we all know Weurtz does a better job of getting hitters out. I'm really curious on how Lou is going to look at this.

 

novoa was a favorite of baker (little benitez, wth?), i'm not sure lou will see him in the same way.

 

novoa showed some progress last season, but wuertz was far superior. he needs to work on his BB/K to crawl into the same discussion, imo. lou WILL look at last year's numbers in addition to performance in the spring. but i would be very surprised and disappointed if wuertz is not a key member of the BP in 07.

[goonys evil twin]

As a new manager I wonder how Lou will look at Weurtz. Novoa has the sexy thing going for him with his fastball but we all know Weurtz does a better job of getting hitters out. I'm really curious on how Lou is going to look at this.

 

If he's as dumb as Baker, he'll ignore past results and rely on his spring training results. I always hated Baker's "He has a clean slate with me" mentality when it came to players' abilities. Players have track records and those track records are the most important thing when it comes to evaluating what they are likely to do for you.

[CuseCubFan69]

I agree but the numbers game may come into play that determines what happens and also the deals Hendry made to sign Miller and any others. I'm not saying that's right but it may be why something that doesn't seem right may happen.

 

Okay, that's one thing, but Wuertz doesn't have to have a better spring than 2006 to win a job. That's the silly thing. It would be silly to option him just to keep Miller, unless Miller looks really good. Basically, the only reason he should be optioned is if everybody else is healthy and looks really good. That's the only point where he should be squeezed. And that's the least likely scenario.

 

Miller, Wood and Prior are all wildcards at this point and they each could start on the DL for all we know. I'd love to have Wood + Prior on the opening day roster ready and healthy and to have this be a heck of a hard decision for Lou to make.

 

As a new manager I wonder how Lou will look at Weurtz. Novoa has the sexy thing going for him with his fastball but we all know Weurtz does a better job of getting hitters out. I'm really curious on how Lou is going to look at this.

 

novoa was a favorite of baker (little benitez, wth?), i'm not sure lou will see him in the same way.

 

novoa showed some progress last season, but wuertz was far superior. he needs to work on his BB/K to crawl into the same discussion, imo. lou WILL look at last year's numbers in addition to performance in the spring. but i would be very surprised and disappointed if wuertz is not a key member of the BP in 07.

 

I will be too but we don't know if Weurtz is 100% healthy and if Novoa hasn't added something to his arsenal or adjusted his pitching mechanics. Opps, sorry I don't have numbers for either of those thoughts. :D

[mg420]

if miller is not in the rotation i dont see there being a spot for him on this team. to ship wuretz to the minors just because he has options would be a major mistake. if Piniella doesnt over use him ala baker, imo he will be one of the better arms in the pen for the cubs this year.

[Magnetic Curses]

I agree but the numbers game may come into play that determines what happens and also the deals Hendry made to sign Miller and any others. I'm not saying that's right but it may be why something that doesn't seem right may happen.

 

Okay, that's one thing, but Wuertz doesn't have to have a better spring than 2006 to win a job. That's the silly thing. It would be silly to option him just to keep Miller, unless Miller looks really good. Basically, the only reason he should be optioned is if everybody else is healthy and looks really good. That's the only point where he should be squeezed. And that's the least likely scenario.

 

Miller, Wood and Prior are all wildcards at this point and they each could start on the DL for all we know. I'd love to have Wood + Prior on the opening day roster ready and healthy and to have this be a heck of a hard decision for Lou to make.

 

As a new manager I wonder how Lou will look at Weurtz. Novoa has the sexy thing going for him with his fastball but we all know Weurtz does a better job of getting hitters out. I'm really curious on how Lou is going to look at this.

 

novoa was a favorite of baker (little benitez, wth?), i'm not sure lou will see him in the same way.

 

novoa showed some progress last season, but wuertz was far superior. he needs to work on his BB/K to crawl into the same discussion, imo. lou WILL look at last year's numbers in addition to performance in the spring. but i would be very surprised and disappointed if wuertz is not a key member of the BP in 07.

 

I will be too but we don't know if Weurtz is 100% healthy and if Novoa hasn't added something to his arsenal or adjusted his pitching mechanics. Opps, sorry I don't have numbers for either of those thoughts. :D

 

ouch. was that a shot at me? :wink:

 

seriously, i don't know why we'd assume that novoa has added something to his arsenal. i'd settle for him walking less hitters, but as it stands, wuertz is much better, healthy or not.

[CuseCubFan69]

I agree but the numbers game may come into play that determines what happens and also the deals Hendry made to sign Miller and any others. I'm not saying that's right but it may be why something that doesn't seem right may happen.

 

Okay, that's one thing, but Wuertz doesn't have to have a better spring than 2006 to win a job. That's the silly thing. It would be silly to option him just to keep Miller, unless Miller looks really good. Basically, the only reason he should be optioned is if everybody else is healthy and looks really good. That's the only point where he should be squeezed. And that's the least likely scenario.

 

Miller, Wood and Prior are all wildcards at this point and they each could start on the DL for all we know. I'd love to have Wood + Prior on the opening day roster ready and healthy and to have this be a heck of a hard decision for Lou to make.

 

As a new manager I wonder how Lou will look at Weurtz. Novoa has the sexy thing going for him with his fastball but we all know Weurtz does a better job of getting hitters out. I'm really curious on how Lou is going to look at this.

 

novoa was a favorite of baker (little benitez, wth?), i'm not sure lou will see him in the same way.

 

novoa showed some progress last season, but wuertz was far superior. he needs to work on his BB/K to crawl into the same discussion, imo. lou WILL look at last year's numbers in addition to performance in the spring. but i would be very surprised and disappointed if wuertz is not a key member of the BP in 07.

 

I will be too but we don't know if Weurtz is 100% healthy and if Novoa hasn't added something to his arsenal or adjusted his pitching mechanics. Opps, sorry I don't have numbers for either of those thoughts. :D

 

ouch. was that a shot at me? :wink:

 

seriously, i don't know why we'd assume that novoa has added something to his arsenal. i'd settle for him walking less hitters, but as it stands, wuertz is much better, healthy or not.

 

I'm just saying that because we all hope that Jones, Soriano ect. will learn something from Perry and Lou while who's to say that the light won't go on for a guy like Novoa? I'm not saying it will but sometimes guys just figure it out a little later than others. Again, I agree Weurtz has proven to be a more effective pitcher than Novoa and I like him in the pen, especially if Lou uses him correctly and not for 10 days and then for 3 in a row like Dusty seemed to do.

[CuseCubFan69]

As a new manager I wonder how Lou will look at Weurtz. Novoa has the sexy thing going for him with his fastball but we all know Weurtz does a better job of getting hitters out. I'm really curious on how Lou is going to look at this.

 

If he's as dumb as Baker, he'll ignore past results and rely on his spring training results. I always hated Baker's "He has a clean slate with me" mentality when it came to players' abilities. Players have track records and those track records are the most important thing when it comes to evaluating what they are likely to do for you.

 

God I hope he isn't and I really doubt he is. I personally would look at the whole picture and put past performance as a key part on my decision.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm just saying that because we all hope that Jones, Soriano ect. will learn something from Perry and Lou while who's to say that the light won't go on for a guy like Novoa? I'm not saying it will but sometimes guys just figure it out a little later than others. Again, I agree Weurtz has proven to be a more effective pitcher than Novoa and I like him in the pen, especially if Lou uses him correctly and not for 10 days and then for 3 in a row like Dusty seemed to do.

 

I'm not really counting on Jones or Soriano learning enough to actually improve. But the big difference is those are actually decent ballplayers. Novoa is just another hard throwing wild man. I don't see how Lou's presence could possibly change that.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm just saying that because we all hope that Jones, Soriano ect. will learn something from Perry and Lou while who's to say that the light won't go on for a guy like Novoa? I'm not saying it will but sometimes guys just figure it out a little later than others. Again, I agree Weurtz has proven to be a more effective pitcher than Novoa and I like him in the pen, especially if Lou uses him correctly and not for 10 days and then for 3 in a row like Dusty seemed to do.

 

I'm not really counting on Jones or Soriano learning enough to actually improve. But the big difference is those are actually decent ballplayers. Novoa is just another hard throwing wild man. I don't see how Lou's presence could possibly change that.

 

Maybe not Lou but somebody over the off season. Didn't he pitch over the winter? I just believe to not always have preconcieved ideas on how good a player is either. Personally, I've been burned by that and I've learned not to do it.

 

Hard throwing wildman...I can just picture what that type of player would look like!

[goonys evil twin]

I'm just saying that because we all hope that Jones, Soriano ect. will learn something from Perry and Lou while who's to say that the light won't go on for a guy like Novoa? I'm not saying it will but sometimes guys just figure it out a little later than others. Again, I agree Weurtz has proven to be a more effective pitcher than Novoa and I like him in the pen, especially if Lou uses him correctly and not for 10 days and then for 3 in a row like Dusty seemed to do.

 

I'm not really counting on Jones or Soriano learning enough to actually improve. But the big difference is those are actually decent ballplayers. Novoa is just another hard throwing wild man. I don't see how Lou's presence could possibly change that.

 

Maybe not Lou but somebody over the off season. Didn't he pitch over the winter? I just believe to not always have preconcieved ideas on how good a player is either. Personally, I've been burned by that and I've learned not to do it.

 

Hard throwing wildman...I can just picture what that type of player would look like!

 

I think you're more likely to get burned thinking a bad pitcher will suddenly improve, than assuming he has not.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm just saying that because we all hope that Jones, Soriano ect. will learn something from Perry and Lou while who's to say that the light won't go on for a guy like Novoa? I'm not saying it will but sometimes guys just figure it out a little later than others. Again, I agree Weurtz has proven to be a more effective pitcher than Novoa and I like him in the pen, especially if Lou uses him correctly and not for 10 days and then for 3 in a row like Dusty seemed to do.

 

I'm not really counting on Jones or Soriano learning enough to actually improve. But the big difference is those are actually decent ballplayers. Novoa is just another hard throwing wild man. I don't see how Lou's presence could possibly change that.

 

Maybe not Lou but somebody over the off season. Didn't he pitch over the winter? I just believe to not always have preconcieved ideas on how good a player is either. Personally, I've been burned by that and I've learned not to do it.

 

Hard throwing wildman...I can just picture what that type of player would look like!

 

I think you're more likely to get burned thinking a bad pitcher will suddenly improve, than assuming he has not.

 

I agree but you don't just write it off until you find out all the facts. Another thing, what makes Novoa a bad pitcher? Has he always had a 1.8 WHIP the whole time because there has to be a reason why Hendry traded for him in the first place.

[CubColtPacer]

I'm just saying that because we all hope that Jones, Soriano ect. will learn something from Perry and Lou while who's to say that the light won't go on for a guy like Novoa? I'm not saying it will but sometimes guys just figure it out a little later than others. Again, I agree Weurtz has proven to be a more effective pitcher than Novoa and I like him in the pen, especially if Lou uses him correctly and not for 10 days and then for 3 in a row like Dusty seemed to do.

 

I'm not really counting on Jones or Soriano learning enough to actually improve. But the big difference is those are actually decent ballplayers. Novoa is just another hard throwing wild man. I don't see how Lou's presence could possibly change that.

 

Maybe not Lou but somebody over the off season. Didn't he pitch over the winter? I just believe to not always have preconcieved ideas on how good a player is either. Personally, I've been burned by that and I've learned not to do it.

 

Hard throwing wildman...I can just picture what that type of player would look like!

 

I think you're more likely to get burned thinking a bad pitcher will suddenly improve, than assuming he has not.

 

I agree but you don't just write it off until you find out all the facts. Another thing, what makes Novoa a bad pitcher? Has he always had a 1.8 WHIP the whole time because there has to be a reason why Hendry traded for him in the first place.

 

It was mostly based on potential-at the time of the trade it seemed somewhat likely that Novoa could develop. So far, that hasn't happened (he actually had a 109 ERA+ last year, but that's not really the best way to measure a reliever).

[Magnetic Curses]

I'm just saying that because we all hope that Jones, Soriano ect. will learn something from Perry and Lou while who's to say that the light won't go on for a guy like Novoa? I'm not saying it will but sometimes guys just figure it out a little later than others. Again, I agree Weurtz has proven to be a more effective pitcher than Novoa and I like him in the pen, especially if Lou uses him correctly and not for 10 days and then for 3 in a row like Dusty seemed to do.

 

last time i checked, perry is a different person from clines while rothschild is the same person as rothschild.

 

he may have a doppelganger, but i doubt it.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm just saying that because we all hope that Jones, Soriano ect. will learn something from Perry and Lou while who's to say that the light won't go on for a guy like Novoa? I'm not saying it will but sometimes guys just figure it out a little later than others. Again, I agree Weurtz has proven to be a more effective pitcher than Novoa and I like him in the pen, especially if Lou uses him correctly and not for 10 days and then for 3 in a row like Dusty seemed to do.

 

last time i checked, perry is a different person from clines while rothschild is the same person as rothschild.

 

he may have a doppelganger, but i doubt it.

 

True but as I told gooney he may have been in contact with someone over the winter or it's also possible that Novoa knew that Baker was the man and did what he wanted and not Rothschild.

 

Is a doppelgnager like that pitch that Matsuz throws for Boston?

[Laura]

Carrie Muskat / MLB.com[/url]"] Angel Guzman gave up one hit over two innings on Tuesday and was throwing 93-95 mph easily. "He looks like he wants a spot on the club," Piniella said of the right-hander. "He's throwing the ball very well. You look at his natural stuff, and it's as good as people in camp. Now, he's pitched well in two-inning stints. We're talking about a young starter here. We'll see more as we stretch him out and get him into the three-, four-, five-[inning] category. You've got to be pleased with his stuff, there's no question about that."

[rawaction]

Carrie Muskat / MLB.com[/url]"] Angel Guzman gave up one hit over two innings on Tuesday and was throwing 93-95 mph easily. "He looks like he wants a spot on the club," Piniella said of the right-hander. "He's throwing the ball very well. You look at his natural stuff, and it's as good as people in camp. Now, he's pitched well in two-inning stints. We're talking about a young starter here. We'll see more as we stretch him out and get him into the three-, four-, five-[inning] category. You've got to be pleased with his stuff, there's no question about that."

 

I will say what I have said about Angel for the last 4 years. If he is physically able to pitch, he will do it well. Easily the most talented arm to come thru the Cubs system since Zambrano.

[CuseCubFan69]

Carrie Muskat / MLB.com[/url]"] Angel Guzman gave up one hit over two innings on Tuesday and was throwing 93-95 mph easily. "He looks like he wants a spot on the club," Piniella said of the right-hander. "He's throwing the ball very well. You look at his natural stuff, and it's as good as people in camp. Now, he's pitched well in two-inning stints. We're talking about a young starter here. We'll see more as we stretch him out and get him into the three-, four-, five-[inning] category. You've got to be pleased with his stuff, there's no question about that."

 

I will say what I have said about Angel for the last 4 years. If he is physically able to pitch, he will do it well. Easily the most talented arm to come thru the Cubs system since Zambrano.

 

I agree. Why is he hurt so often?

[RichHillIsABeast]

Carrie Muskat / MLB.com[/url]"] Angel Guzman gave up one hit over two innings on Tuesday and was throwing 93-95 mph easily. "He looks like he wants a spot on the club," Piniella said of the right-hander. "He's throwing the ball very well. You look at his natural stuff, and it's as good as people in camp. Now, he's pitched well in two-inning stints. We're talking about a young starter here. We'll see more as we stretch him out and get him into the three-, four-, five-[inning] category. You've got to be pleased with his stuff, there's no question about that."

 

I will say what I have said about Angel for the last 4 years. If he is physically able to pitch, he will do it well. Easily the most talented arm to come thru the Cubs system since Zambrano.

 

I agree. Why is he hurt so often?

 

He doesn't like to stay hydrated. :lol:

[Soul]

Carrie Muskat / MLB.com[/url]"] Angel Guzman gave up one hit over two innings on Tuesday and was throwing 93-95 mph easily. "He looks like he wants a spot on the club," Piniella said of the right-hander. "He's throwing the ball very well. You look at his natural stuff, and it's as good as people in camp. Now, he's pitched well in two-inning stints. We're talking about a young starter here. We'll see more as we stretch him out and get him into the three-, four-, five-[inning] category. You've got to be pleased with his stuff, there's no question about that."

 

I will say what I have said about Angel for the last 4 years. If he is physically able to pitch, he will do it well. Easily the most talented arm to come thru the Cubs system since Zambrano.

 

I agree. Why is he hurt so often?

 

I hope it isn't because his arm motion sucks, like Woody...

[CuseCubFan69]

Carrie Muskat / MLB.com[/url]"] Angel Guzman gave up one hit over two innings on Tuesday and was throwing 93-95 mph easily. "He looks like he wants a spot on the club," Piniella said of the right-hander. "He's throwing the ball very well. You look at his natural stuff, and it's as good as people in camp. Now, he's pitched well in two-inning stints. We're talking about a young starter here. We'll see more as we stretch him out and get him into the three-, four-, five-[inning] category. You've got to be pleased with his stuff, there's no question about that."

 

I will say what I have said about Angel for the last 4 years. If he is physically able to pitch, he will do it well. Easily the most talented arm to come thru the Cubs system since Zambrano.

 

I agree. Why is he hurt so often?

 

He doesn't like to stay hydrated. :lol:

 

Ain't that sweet!

[CuseCubFan69]

Carrie Muskat / MLB.com[/url]"] Angel Guzman gave up one hit over two innings on Tuesday and was throwing 93-95 mph easily. "He looks like he wants a spot on the club," Piniella said of the right-hander. "He's throwing the ball very well. You look at his natural stuff, and it's as good as people in camp. Now, he's pitched well in two-inning stints. We're talking about a young starter here. We'll see more as we stretch him out and get him into the three-, four-, five-[inning] category. You've got to be pleased with his stuff, there's no question about that."

 

I will say what I have said about Angel for the last 4 years. If he is physically able to pitch, he will do it well. Easily the most talented arm to come thru the Cubs system since Zambrano.

 

I agree. Why is he hurt so often?

 

I hope it isn't because his arm motion sucks, like Woody...

 

I really would like to see his moition now and then. He's a heck of a pitcher and it looks as if Lou thinks that way too. I really don't see Prior as being more effective than Guzman in 2007.