Clock is Ticking...8 Days 'till Zambrano's Arby Hearing

[cbbryan]

Think Anaheim if you're trading Z.

 

Weaver, Adenhart + Kendrick. Anything less and it's not worth it.

 

I agree 100% with you on this, Tim. I'm not against the Cubs trading anyone on this roster, but when it comes to Z there has to be a long-term deal, or a trade. If it's the trade it better blow your socks off.

 

Yeah, I pretty much agree with this also. It's got to be a STELLAR package. If we can get that, I'm for trading zambrano. Otherwise, sign him. But I hope to gosh he loves the cubs and can give us a considerable good deal at or around 15-16 mil per for about 5 years. .

 

I think if Z agrees to 15-16 per, the Cubs will have to go more then 5 guaranteed years. I think he could be seeking a 7-8 year deal. At the end of that deal, he'd only be what......................33! He's gonna make a ton of money!!!! At least 2 huge deals in his future.

[Sammy Sofa]

Anyone thinking you can actually REPLACE Z with an acquired pitcher of his talent-level isn't thinking realistically or, quite frankly, intelligently. You don't trade a pitcher like that to get the exact same pitcher in return. You'd try and use him to fix/improve as many different spots as possible. Otherwise there's no point in trading him at all if you're just expecting another pitcher of his calibre in return. You "settle" ideally for a good pitcher or two or whatever and whatever other good to great players you can get. Expecting another Z in return for Z himself would be like the Yankees trading ARod ONLY if they could get another ARod in return. Not gonna happen. A guy like Z "you spread around" in a trade.

[Danny82]

Think Anaheim if you're trading Z.

 

Weaver, Adenhart + Kendrick. Anything less and it's not worth it.

 

There's just no way you get that much for Z when he is a budding (and likely VERY costly) free agent.

 

I would do it for Weaver and Kendrick alone.

[Guest]

unfortunately Z reminds me more of Kevin Brown than Roger Clemens.

[Guest]

Think Anaheim if you're trading Z.

 

Weaver, Adenhart + Kendrick. Anything less and it's not worth it.

 

There's just no way you get that much for Z when he is a budding (and likely VERY costly) free agent.

 

I would do it for Weaver and Kendrick alone.

 

 

I disagree, come July someone would pay mightily to add Zambrano.

[davearm]

Think Anaheim if you're trading Z.

 

Weaver, Adenhart + Kendrick. Anything less and it's not worth it.

 

There's just no way you get that much for Z when he is a budding (and likely VERY costly) free agent.

 

I would do it for Weaver and Kendrick alone.

 

 

I disagree, come July someone would pay mightily to add Zambrano.

Except Weaver + Adenhart + Kendrick is paying mightily x10.

 

Weaver was one of the 10 best rookie starters last year.

Adenhart is one of the 10 best pitching prospects.

Kendrick looks like he's going to be Tony Gwynn v2.0.

 

I'd take any two of those guys for Z and not look back.

 

Reasons?

a) The injury risk is real. There's legitimate cause for concern here: the weight issue, the back issue, the overuse issue.

b) The risk of losing him to FA is even more real. I don't like how this situation is shaping up. Not one bit.

[oldstyle81]

Think Anaheim if you're trading Z.

 

Weaver, Adenhart + Kendrick. Anything less and it's not worth it.

 

There's just no way you get that much for Z when he is a budding (and likely VERY costly) free agent.

 

I would do it for Weaver and Kendrick alone.

 

 

I disagree, come July someone would pay mightily to add Zambrano.

 

which all depends on the performance of the team

[Mark_R]

How about Izturis and Z for Bedard, Tejada, and Cabrera?

[Sammy Sofa]

How about Izturis and Z for Bedard, Tejada, and Cabrera?

 

Baltimore ain't that dumb.

[Vinestal]

If they cant get him signed they sure as heck better get something for him early in the year. The Angels seem to be a real match, I dont see them giving up the 3 players Tim mentioned but maybe 2 out of 3 of those and a ptbnl might do it. I would sure love to see Kendrick and Weaver in Cub uniforms.

[Mark Priors Calves]

macphail was always trumpeting the "no arbitration" thing during his tenure. he's gone so that might be out the window.

[HoopsCubs]

I've kinda shifted to the "sign him for one year and trade him during that year" camp. Love the Z, but I think age is gonna be his foe, big time, and he can net the juicest of juicy returns. Short of the team's pitching being a disaster, I'd move him.

 

+1

 

You can add me in as well.

[A New Era]

I've kinda shifted to the "sign him for one year and trade him during that year" camp. Love the Z, but I think age is gonna be his foe, big time, and he can net the juicest of juicy returns. Short of the team's pitching being a disaster, I'd move him.

 

+1

 

You can add me in as well.

 

You agree to terms for this year and trade him this year? Alot of things are going to have to go right in the pitching department for that to not really hit us. Prior and Miller are both going to have to be healthy, and Hill has to be good. I realize Smardzija might be coming up soon but everything has to go just right to not need Zambrano to make it this year. .

[RynoRules]

I've kinda shifted to the "sign him for one year and trade him during that year" camp. Love the Z, but I think age is gonna be his foe, big time, and he can net the juicest of juicy returns. Short of the team's pitching being a disaster, I'd move him.

 

+1

 

You can add me in as well.

 

plus 3

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I've kinda shifted to the "sign him for one year and trade him during that year" camp. Love the Z, but I think age is gonna be his foe, big time, and he can net the juicest of juicy returns. Short of the team's pitching being a disaster, I'd move him.

 

+1

 

You can add me in as well.

 

plus 3

 

As long as the return is nice, I wouldn't mind trading Z. I don't think this team is going to make the playoffs anyway and I am readily expecting Z to get hurt this coming season. If he doesn't, I still expect a decline after the wear and tear on his arm at such a young age.

 

That said, Hendry is in a situation where he must re-sign Z so I don't see him trading Z away.

[bc2k]

I've kinda shifted to the "sign him for one year and trade him during that year" camp. Love the Z, but I think age is gonna be his foe, big time, and he can net the juicest of juicy returns. Short of the team's pitching being a disaster, I'd move him.

 

What if the "juiciest" return is what experts would consider below value?

[Sammy Sofa]

I've kinda shifted to the "sign him for one year and trade him during that year" camp. Love the Z, but I think age is gonna be his foe, big time, and he can net the juicest of juicy returns. Short of the team's pitching being a disaster, I'd move him.

 

What if the "juiciest" return is what experts would consider below value?

 

Then the Cubs are screwed in the long run either way. A long, expensive deal for Z is not gonna be worth what he's expecting.

[A New Era]

I've kinda shifted to the "sign him for one year and trade him during that year" camp. Love the Z, but I think age is gonna be his foe, big time, and he can net the juicest of juicy returns. Short of the team's pitching being a disaster, I'd move him.

 

What if the "juiciest" return is what experts would consider below value?

 

Then the Cubs are screwed in the long run either way. A long, expensive deal for Z is not gonna be worth what he's expecting.

 

I don't think that's possible though. Think about it. A big market high offense team in the hunt would REALLY like a guy like Z, even if for just the 1 year, to push them over the top. The Mets could really use some pitching. .

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Still ticking....only about 3 hours left to get something done.

[Danny82]

Still ticking....only about 3 hours left to get something done.

I think they can continue the hearing if the sides are close to a deal.

[Garwilly]

Still ticking....only about 3 hours left to get something done.

I think they can continue the hearing if the sides are close to a deal.

 

Cubs should tell Z they are not going to the hearing on time beacuse they are still talking.

 

And then show up, when Z doesn't, the Cubs are sure to win to hearing!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The Cubs actually have a good chance of winning the hearing. The arbiter looks at the mid point and decides if the player should be paid one dollar more or one dollar less than the mid-point. Zambrano's mid point between his offer and the Cubs is still higher than Oswalt will make in the first year of his new deal. Arbitration is all about what comparable players make, and the Cubs may have a case that Zambrano and Oswalt are very comparable. If that's the case, the arbiter could easily rule in the Cubs favor.

[Soul]

The Cubs actually have a good chance of winning the hearing. The arbiter looks at the mid point and decides if the player should be paid one dollar more or one dollar less than the mid-point. Zambrano's mid point between his offer and the Cubs is still higher than Oswalt will make in the first year of his new deal. Arbitration is all about what comparable players make, and the Cubs may have a case that Zambrano and Oswalt are very comparable. If that's the case, the arbiter could easily rule in the Cubs favor.

 

If the Cubs win, what would that mean in terms of dollars?

[Garwilly]

The Cubs actually have a good chance of winning the hearing. The arbiter looks at the mid point and decides if the player should be paid one dollar more or one dollar less than the mid-point. Zambrano's mid point between his offer and the Cubs is still higher than Oswalt will make in the first year of his new deal. Arbitration is all about what comparable players make, and the Cubs may have a case that Zambrano and Oswalt are very comparable. If that's the case, the arbiter could easily rule in the Cubs favor.

 

If the Cubs win, what would that mean in terms of dollars?

 

It means

 

http://www.terra.com/addon/img/deportes/beisbol/19c52b4zambrano130p.jpg

 

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http://www.cnn.com/US/9701/08/laundering/money.jpg

[David]

The Cubs actually have a good chance of winning the hearing. The arbiter looks at the mid point and decides if the player should be paid one dollar more or one dollar less than the mid-point. Zambrano's mid point between his offer and the Cubs is still higher than Oswalt will make in the first year of his new deal. Arbitration is all about what comparable players make, and the Cubs may have a case that Zambrano and Oswalt are very comparable. If that's the case, the arbiter could easily rule in the Cubs favor.

 

If the Cubs win, what would that mean in terms of dollars?

 

I'm guessing, if vance's reasoning is correct, it would mean an Oswalt-like one year salary. According to ESPN.com, he's making 11,000,000.