The Bears Offseason Thread

[Banedon]

okay, so that's one guy. it's hardly an epidemic. more often than not, money is a non-factor among the egos in the NBA since the contracts all line up pretty well

 

That's funny.

 

 

How about the guy who played for the Bulls part-time last year and then got traded to Phoenix? What about Vince Carter tanking in Toronto? It happens all the time.

 

Didn't John Starks tank because he didn't want to play for the Bulls? (Admittedly he was at the end of his career though.)

[Derwood]

okay, so that's one guy. it's hardly an epidemic. more often than not, money is a non-factor among the egos in the NBA since the contracts all line up pretty well

 

That's funny.

 

 

How about the guy who played for the Bulls part-time last year and then got traded to Phoenix? What about Vince Carter tanking in Toronto? It happens all the time.

 

Didn't John Starks tank because he didn't want to play for the Bulls? (Admittedly he was at the end of his career though.)

 

no, i think he just sucked

[Banedon]

okay, so that's one guy. it's hardly an epidemic. more often than not, money is a non-factor among the egos in the NBA since the contracts all line up pretty well

 

That's funny.

 

 

How about the guy who played for the Bulls part-time last year and then got traded to Phoenix? What about Vince Carter tanking in Toronto? It happens all the time.

 

Didn't John Starks tank because he didn't want to play for the Bulls? (Admittedly he was at the end of his career though.)

 

no, i think he just sucked

 

Probably.

[Soul]

Non-guaranteed contracts might protect owners, but they become complete jokes from the player side of the argument. Every player now wants huge signing bonuses because the rest of the deal can be cancelled at the whim of the owner.

 

This is such a one sided blind view of the story. Owners can't just cut on a whim. If they do, most players are just going to sign another bigger deal. The only guys who might lose out in this system are the guys that aren't worth what they are being paid. Being cut in the NFL is not necessarily a bad thing. You can get cut by one team and sign an even bigger deal with another, as long as you are good.

 

But why should a player have to go through that? why sign a 7 year deal if you're going to get cut after 2?

 

Go through what? Free agency? Players love free agency. What are they going through? They should "have to go through that" because the concept of a 7-year contract in anything is absolutely ridiculous. The NFL is a meritocracy, unlike baseball, which is a ageitocracy, or the NBA, which is a hypeitocracy. The fact of the matter is if you play well in the NFL, you get paid. Guys like Lance Briggs choose to gamble and wait for an even bigger payday, and I say good for them. But don't come crying about unfairness in the contract structure. These guys aren't "going through" anything unfair. Even though contracts aren't guaranteed, the fact is owners can't just cut anybody whenever they want, competition from the other teams would destroy them. We're talking about a 52 man roster in a sport that plays 16 regular season games a year, that's twice as many players as baseball and more than 3 times as many as the NBA, and 10% and 19% of the number of games, yet there's still plenty of room for 20-30 guys per team to make millions every year and the sport is run in such a way that unlike the NBA and MLB, they've had no work stoppages or threat of a work stoppage for two decades, plus they have had nothing but constant growth. The pie just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

 

then why not just have all 1-year contracts in the NFL and let every player renegotiate every year?

 

What, do you want to give every GM in the league a heart attack? :wink:

[Guest]

Derwood, your posts on this matter are a bit boggling.

 

There is no loyalty in the NBA either. I'd rather have the contracts and bonues in the NFL than the NBA and definitely MLB. If I was an owner, I'd say the same.

[Derwood]

Derwood, your posts on this matter are a bit boggling.

 

There is no loyalty in the NBA either. I'd rather have the contracts and bonues in the NFL than the NBA and definitely MLB. If I was an owner, I'd say the same.

 

but in the NBA, it's tougher for owners to get rid of players. You don't see huge roster turnover either (despite just 15 players per team)

[Butterscup1679666578]

Any word on Tank?

[Guest]

Any word on Tank?

 

Nothing really. Still waiting to hear back from Goodell.

 

http://www.kfoxtv.com/sports/13338436/detail.html

 

CHICAGO -- Chicago Bears defensive tackle Tank Johnson met with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell in New York on Wednesday, but no discipline was immediately handed down.

 

The meeting came three days after Johnson was released from the Cook County Jail, where he served 60 days of a 120-day sentence for violating probation on a weapons charge.

 

Johnson could become the third player suspended by Goodell in a little over a month for off-field behavior.

 

Tennessee's Adam "Pacman" Jones has been suspended for the entire 2007 season and Bengals wide receiver Chris Henry will serve an eight-game ban.

[Banedon]

Any word on Tank?

 

Nothing really. Still waiting to hear back from Goodell.

 

http://www.kfoxtv.com/sports/13338436/detail.html

 

CHICAGO -- Chicago Bears defensive tackle Tank Johnson met with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell in New York on Wednesday, but no discipline was immediately handed down.

 

The meeting came three days after Johnson was released from the Cook County Jail, where he served 60 days of a 120-day sentence for violating probation on a weapons charge.

 

Johnson could become the third player suspended by Goodell in a little over a month for off-field behavior.

 

Tennessee's Adam "Pacman" Jones has been suspended for the entire 2007 season and Bengals wide receiver Chris Henry will serve an eight-game ban.

 

I thought I'd heard on the radio that they didn't expect Goodell to have a decision till Monday or Tuesday.

[Jon]

chicagobears.com[/url]"]Players who are not expected to practice this weekend while continuing to rehab from injuries include defensive tackle Tommie Harris (hamstring), cornerback Charles Tillman (back), offensive tackle John Tait (ankle), safety Brandon McGowan (Achilles’ tendon) and rookie defensive end Dan Bazuin (knee), a second-round pick from Central Michigan.

 

 

http://assets.chicagobears.com/UserFiles/Image/story_photos/shirt_inside.jpg

[Jon]

Trib[/url]"]But while Briggs is a no-show by choice, rookies Greg Olsen and Garrett Wolfe were required by the league to attend a session for rookies to have photos taken for trading cards. Both would have preferred to have their first chance to practice with veterans. Linebacker Michael Okwo was absent while he attends classes at Stanford.

That's messed up. Rookies are forced to take pictures for trading cards and miss the first day of camp?

[jersey cubs fan]

Trib[/url]"]But while Briggs is a no-show by choice, rookies Greg Olsen and Garrett Wolfe were required by the league to attend a session for rookies to have photos taken for trading cards. Both would have preferred to have their first chance to practice with veterans. Linebacker Michael Okwo was absent while he attends classes at Stanford.

That's messed up. Rookies are forced to take pictures for trading cards and miss the first day of camp?

 

I was wondering what Bears would miss for that. I can't believe they had 2. I read there were 35 rookies involved. This is just absolutely stupid on the part of the NFL.

[rawaction]

chicagobears.com[/url]"]Players who are not expected to practice this weekend while continuing to rehab from injuries include defensive tackle Tommie Harris (hamstring), cornerback Charles Tillman (back), offensive tackle John Tait (ankle), safety Brandon McGowan (Achilles’ tendon) and rookie defensive end Dan Bazuin (knee), a second-round pick from Central Michigan.

 

 

http://assets.chicagobears.com/UserFiles/Image/story_photos/shirt_inside.jpg

 

McGowan's still a Bear? I thought they lost all the backup safeties this offseason.

[Jon]

McGowan's still a Bear? I thought they lost all the backup safeties this offseason.

I didn't think he was still around, either, but apparently he's signed through 2007.

[Guest]

Sure sounds like Tank's suspension won't be *too* bad (I've seen a few people suggest only 4 games).

[Jon]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2007-05/29900800.jpg

Tank and Tommie

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2007-05/29900791.jpg

Bauzin

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2007-05/29900763.jpg

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2007-05/29900766.jpg

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2007-05/29900761.jpg

Urlacher and Williams

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2007-05/29900762.jpg

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2007-05/29900765.jpg

Ridiculous

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2007-05/29900768.jpg

RB coach Tim Spencer with Hester

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2007-05/29900767.jpg

Benson

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2007-05/29900769.jpg

Brown

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2007-05/29900792.jpg

Archuleta

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2007-05/29900803.jpg

[Jon]

Trib[/url]"]In somewhat of a surprise, Mark Anderson, whose 12 sacks earned him runner-up honors as defensive rookie of the year, has been installed as the starter at the right end spot that Alex Brown has occupied the last 4 1/2 seasons.

 

Brown started 73 of the Bears' last 74 games, including all 16 in each of the last four seasons, two of which ended with his selection as a second alternate to the Pro Bowl.

 

Friday, however, found him in a rotation as the backup to both Anderson and left end Adewale Ogunleye.

 

"I was practicing both [positions] so I'm both," Brown said to a question as to whether he is a right end or left end. "Hopefully, I can learn both and play wherever it ends up after training camp."

..........

The Bears mixed and matched defensive backs, with Brown paired with newcomer Adam Archuleta at times as well as 2006 starter Danieal Manning and Chris Harris. With Brown back, the Bears worked Manning occasionally at cornerback.

 

"I wouldn't say [Manning moving to corner is] permanent right now," Smith said. "Danieal is a versatile athlete and in the off-season you want to take a look at players in different positions. He could easily be our most skilled defensive back."

[Chocolate Milk]

Very interesting. Love the pictures of Hester being covered by Vasher.

[Banedon]

Trib[/url]"]In somewhat of a surprise, Mark Anderson, whose 12 sacks earned him runner-up honors as defensive rookie of the year, has been installed as the starter at the right end spot that Alex Brown has occupied the last 4 1/2 seasons.

 

Brown started 73 of the Bears' last 74 games, including all 16 in each of the last four seasons, two of which ended with his selection as a second alternate to the Pro Bowl.

 

Friday, however, found him in a rotation as the backup to both Anderson and left end Adewale Ogunleye.

 

"I was practicing both [positions] so I'm both," Brown said to a question as to whether he is a right end or left end. "Hopefully, I can learn both and play wherever it ends up after training camp."

..........

The Bears mixed and matched defensive backs, with Brown paired with newcomer Adam Archuleta at times as well as 2006 starter Danieal Manning and Chris Harris. With Brown back, the Bears worked Manning occasionally at cornerback.

 

"I wouldn't say [Manning moving to corner is] permanent right now," Smith said. "Danieal is a versatile athlete and in the off-season you want to take a look at players in different positions. He could easily be our most skilled defensive back."

 

I wonder if Alex had a heads up about this...perhaps why he's seeking a trade.

 

I forget it it was Lawrence Holmes or Zack Zademan that was saying how good Hester looked out there catching passes, but admitted it will be different when there's contact.

[David]

I had forgotten how much I :love: this team.

[Butterscup1679666578]

The picture of the rookie getting the ball out of the puddle cracks me up :lol:

[Soul]

Trib[/url]"]In somewhat of a surprise, Mark Anderson, whose 12 sacks earned him runner-up honors as defensive rookie of the year, has been installed as the starter at the right end spot that Alex Brown has occupied the last 4 1/2 seasons.

 

Brown started 73 of the Bears' last 74 games, including all 16 in each of the last four seasons, two of which ended with his selection as a second alternate to the Pro Bowl.

 

Friday, however, found him in a rotation as the backup to both Anderson and left end Adewale Ogunleye.

 

"I was practicing both [positions] so I'm both," Brown said to a question as to whether he is a right end or left end. "Hopefully, I can learn both and play wherever it ends up after training camp."

..........

The Bears mixed and matched defensive backs, with Brown paired with newcomer Adam Archuleta at times as well as 2006 starter Danieal Manning and Chris Harris. With Brown back, the Bears worked Manning occasionally at cornerback.

 

"I wouldn't say [Manning moving to corner is] permanent right now," Smith said. "Danieal is a versatile athlete and in the off-season you want to take a look at players in different positions. He could easily be our most skilled defensive back."

 

I wonder if Alex had a heads up about this...perhaps why he's seeking a trade.

 

I forget it it was Lawrence Holmes or Zack Zademan that was saying how good Hester looked out there catching passes, but admitted it will be different when there's contact.

 

I still prefer Lovie's style of simply giving the starting job to the high performers, at least in many cases.

 

We've been on the other side of this coin. The Dick Jauron / Dave Waanstedt style of "you're the veteran, you get the job unless you're injured" is B.S. and quite simply does not work very often.

 

If Alex Brown can't handle it, then he should play better. He's a guy who has never really realized his full potential IMHO anyway. Mark Anderson flat out played better than Alex last year.

[Guest]

Alex Brown outplayed Adewale Ogunleye last season.

[rawaction]

Trib[/url]"]In somewhat of a surprise, Mark Anderson, whose 12 sacks earned him runner-up honors as defensive rookie of the year, has been installed as the starter at the right end spot that Alex Brown has occupied the last 4 1/2 seasons.

 

Brown started 73 of the Bears' last 74 games, including all 16 in each of the last four seasons, two of which ended with his selection as a second alternate to the Pro Bowl.

 

Friday, however, found him in a rotation as the backup to both Anderson and left end Adewale Ogunleye.

 

"I was practicing both [positions] so I'm both," Brown said to a question as to whether he is a right end or left end. "Hopefully, I can learn both and play wherever it ends up after training camp."

..........

The Bears mixed and matched defensive backs, with Brown paired with newcomer Adam Archuleta at times as well as 2006 starter Danieal Manning and Chris Harris. With Brown back, the Bears worked Manning occasionally at cornerback.

 

"I wouldn't say [Manning moving to corner is] permanent right now," Smith said. "Danieal is a versatile athlete and in the off-season you want to take a look at players in different positions. He could easily be our most skilled defensive back."

 

I wonder if Alex had a heads up about this...perhaps why he's seeking a trade.

 

I forget it it was Lawrence Holmes or Zack Zademan that was saying how good Hester looked out there catching passes, but admitted it will be different when there's contact.

 

I still prefer Lovie's style of simply giving the starting job to the high performers, at least in many cases.

 

We've been on the other side of this coin. The Dick Jauron / Dave Waanstedt style of "you're the veteran, you get the job unless you're injured" is B.S. and quite simply does not work very often.

 

If Alex Brown can't handle it, then he should play better. He's a guy who has never really realized his full potential IMHO anyway. Mark Anderson flat out played better than Alex last year.

 

Agreed, but then how do you explain Alex Brown behind Ogunleye. I thought Wale was in for a big year up until the Seattle game. He got hurt and didn't do anything the rest of the year. Alex was better against the run, had more sacks, forced fumbles, had 2 picks.

[Soul]

Trib[/url]"]In somewhat of a surprise, Mark Anderson, whose 12 sacks earned him runner-up honors as defensive rookie of the year, has been installed as the starter at the right end spot that Alex Brown has occupied the last 4 1/2 seasons.

 

Brown started 73 of the Bears' last 74 games, including all 16 in each of the last four seasons, two of which ended with his selection as a second alternate to the Pro Bowl.

 

Friday, however, found him in a rotation as the backup to both Anderson and left end Adewale Ogunleye.

 

"I was practicing both [positions] so I'm both," Brown said to a question as to whether he is a right end or left end. "Hopefully, I can learn both and play wherever it ends up after training camp."

..........

The Bears mixed and matched defensive backs, with Brown paired with newcomer Adam Archuleta at times as well as 2006 starter Danieal Manning and Chris Harris. With Brown back, the Bears worked Manning occasionally at cornerback.

 

"I wouldn't say [Manning moving to corner is] permanent right now," Smith said. "Danieal is a versatile athlete and in the off-season you want to take a look at players in different positions. He could easily be our most skilled defensive back."

 

I wonder if Alex had a heads up about this...perhaps why he's seeking a trade.

 

I forget it it was Lawrence Holmes or Zack Zademan that was saying how good Hester looked out there catching passes, but admitted it will be different when there's contact.

 

I still prefer Lovie's style of simply giving the starting job to the high performers, at least in many cases.

 

We've been on the other side of this coin. The Dick Jauron / Dave Waanstedt style of "you're the veteran, you get the job unless you're injured" is B.S. and quite simply does not work very often.

 

If Alex Brown can't handle it, then he should play better. He's a guy who has never really realized his full potential IMHO anyway. Mark Anderson flat out played better than Alex last year.

 

Agreed, but then how do you explain Alex Brown behind Ogunleye. I thought Wale was in for a big year up until the Seattle game. He got hurt and didn't do anything the rest of the year. Alex was better against the run, had more sacks, forced fumbles, had 2 picks.

 

Wait. What do you mean? Alex & Wale don't play the same position.