The Bears Offseason Thread

[texascub]

Biggest surprise of the first round and first day overall: Bears select Laurent Robinson in the first round....how many Bears fans would be jumping off cliffs after that happened?

[Chocolate Milk]

The Washington Redskins and Chicago Bears have rekindled talks under which the Bears would trade Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs to the Redskins, NFL sources said yesterday.

 

While a deal was not a certainty, one source with knowledge of the situation said there was a "50-50" chance a trade would be completed before Washington makes its first selection in the NFL draft tomorrow. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it was possible the teams also would swap their first-round draft picks, with the Bears receiving Washington's sixth overall selection in return for Chicago's 31st pick.

[Banedon]

The Washington Redskins and Chicago Bears have rekindled talks under which the Bears would trade Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs to the Redskins, NFL sources said yesterday.

 

While a deal was not a certainty, one source with knowledge of the situation said there was a "50-50" chance a trade would be completed before Washington makes its first selection in the NFL draft tomorrow. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it was possible the teams also would swap their first-round draft picks, with the Bears receiving Washington's sixth overall selection in return for Chicago's 31st pick.

 

I really wonder what they would do with that pick. Quinn won't be there...he's gonna go to Cleveland. It's probably too high to get Landry. I don't see us taking another running back in Petersen...

[Soul]

The Washington Redskins and Chicago Bears have rekindled talks under which the Bears would trade Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs to the Redskins, NFL sources said yesterday.

 

While a deal was not a certainty, one source with knowledge of the situation said there was a "50-50" chance a trade would be completed before Washington makes its first selection in the NFL draft tomorrow. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it was possible the teams also would swap their first-round draft picks, with the Bears receiving Washington's sixth overall selection in return for Chicago's 31st pick.

 

I really wonder what they would do with that pick. Quinn won't be there...he's gonna go to Cleveland. It's probably too high to get Landry. I don't see us taking another running back in Petersen...

 

Levi Brown? Just a shot in the dark, I really have no clue.

[Chocolate Milk]

The Washington Redskins and Chicago Bears have rekindled talks under which the Bears would trade Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs to the Redskins, NFL sources said yesterday.

 

While a deal was not a certainty, one source with knowledge of the situation said there was a "50-50" chance a trade would be completed before Washington makes its first selection in the NFL draft tomorrow. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it was possible the teams also would swap their first-round draft picks, with the Bears receiving Washington's sixth overall selection in return for Chicago's 31st pick.

 

I really wonder what they would do with that pick. Quinn won't be there...he's gonna go to Cleveland. It's probably too high to get Landry. I don't see us taking another running back in Petersen...

 

Trade back with Dolphins if Quinn drops?

[rawaction]

The Washington Redskins and Chicago Bears have rekindled talks under which the Bears would trade Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs to the Redskins, NFL sources said yesterday.

 

While a deal was not a certainty, one source with knowledge of the situation said there was a "50-50" chance a trade would be completed before Washington makes its first selection in the NFL draft tomorrow. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it was possible the teams also would swap their first-round draft picks, with the Bears receiving Washington's sixth overall selection in return for Chicago's 31st pick.

 

I really wonder what they would do with that pick. Quinn won't be there...he's gonna go to Cleveland. It's probably too high to get Landry. I don't see us taking another running back in Petersen...

 

Trade back with Dolphins if Quinn drops?

 

That would make the most sense. I don't think the Bears want to stay at #6. Nine isn't much better (as far as having to pay out a cheaper contract), but the extra pick I'm assuming they'd pick up would make it worth it. I think we could see a case of the Bears picking BPA at 9, and then overdrafting a couple players at 31 and 37 so they can get some relief with their salaries. Maybe reaching on a LB like Durant at 31, though there are rumors he could go to the Colts at 32. And maybe reaching for a safety at 37.

[Banedon]

The Washington Redskins and Chicago Bears have rekindled talks under which the Bears would trade Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs to the Redskins, NFL sources said yesterday.

 

While a deal was not a certainty, one source with knowledge of the situation said there was a "50-50" chance a trade would be completed before Washington makes its first selection in the NFL draft tomorrow. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it was possible the teams also would swap their first-round draft picks, with the Bears receiving Washington's sixth overall selection in return for Chicago's 31st pick.

 

I really wonder what they would do with that pick. Quinn won't be there...he's gonna go to Cleveland. It's probably too high to get Landry. I don't see us taking another running back in Petersen...

 

Trade back with Dolphins if Quinn drops?

 

That would make the most sense. I don't think the Bears want to stay at #6. Nine isn't much better (as far as having to pay out a cheaper contract), but the extra pick I'm assuming they'd pick up would make it worth it. I think we could see a case of the Bears picking BPA at 9, and then overdrafting a couple players at 31 and 37 so they can get some relief with their salaries. Maybe reaching on a LB like Durant at 31, though there are rumors he could go to the Colts at 32. And maybe reaching for a safety at 37.

 

I just keep hearing about how trade downs are going to be so difficult in this draft.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Washington Redskins and Chicago Bears have rekindled talks under which the Bears would trade Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs to the Redskins, NFL sources said yesterday.

 

While a deal was not a certainty, one source with knowledge of the situation said there was a "50-50" chance a trade would be completed before Washington makes its first selection in the NFL draft tomorrow. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it was possible the teams also would swap their first-round draft picks, with the Bears receiving Washington's sixth overall selection in return for Chicago's 31st pick.

 

I really wonder what they would do with that pick. Quinn won't be there...he's gonna go to Cleveland. It's probably too high to get Landry. I don't see us taking another running back in Petersen...

 

Trade back with Dolphins if Quinn drops?

 

That would make the most sense. I don't think the Bears want to stay at #6. Nine isn't much better (as far as having to pay out a cheaper contract), but the extra pick I'm assuming they'd pick up would make it worth it. I think we could see a case of the Bears picking BPA at 9, and then overdrafting a couple players at 31 and 37 so they can get some relief with their salaries. Maybe reaching on a LB like Durant at 31, though there are rumors he could go to the Colts at 32. And maybe reaching for a safety at 37.

 

But in order to get to 9, they presumably have to get the 6, and in order to get the 6, they have to give up 31. Right?

 

In theory, they would do this:

Briggs and 31 for 6, then 6 for 9 and a mid round pick. That leaves them with 9, 37 and then a bunch of mid rounders.

[rawaction]

The Washington Redskins and Chicago Bears have rekindled talks under which the Bears would trade Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs to the Redskins, NFL sources said yesterday.

 

While a deal was not a certainty, one source with knowledge of the situation said there was a "50-50" chance a trade would be completed before Washington makes its first selection in the NFL draft tomorrow. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it was possible the teams also would swap their first-round draft picks, with the Bears receiving Washington's sixth overall selection in return for Chicago's 31st pick.

 

I really wonder what they would do with that pick. Quinn won't be there...he's gonna go to Cleveland. It's probably too high to get Landry. I don't see us taking another running back in Petersen...

 

Trade back with Dolphins if Quinn drops?

 

That would make the most sense. I don't think the Bears want to stay at #6. Nine isn't much better (as far as having to pay out a cheaper contract), but the extra pick I'm assuming they'd pick up would make it worth it. I think we could see a case of the Bears picking BPA at 9, and then overdrafting a couple players at 31 and 37 so they can get some relief with their salaries. Maybe reaching on a LB like Durant at 31, though there are rumors he could go to the Colts at 32. And maybe reaching for a safety at 37.

 

I just keep hearing about how trade downs are going to be so difficult in this draft.

 

I don't think there will be any trade downs out of the top 10. I think you can possibly see the 2-4 picks traded (TB moves up to take Johnson) and the 3-5 (Arizona moves up for Thomas) and 6-9 (Miami up to take Quinn). I don't think anyone is going to be willing to give up what they would need to in order to get into the top 10 and the teams in the top 10 will ask for the world to leave their positions.

[rawaction]

The Washington Redskins and Chicago Bears have rekindled talks under which the Bears would trade Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs to the Redskins, NFL sources said yesterday.

 

While a deal was not a certainty, one source with knowledge of the situation said there was a "50-50" chance a trade would be completed before Washington makes its first selection in the NFL draft tomorrow. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it was possible the teams also would swap their first-round draft picks, with the Bears receiving Washington's sixth overall selection in return for Chicago's 31st pick.

 

I really wonder what they would do with that pick. Quinn won't be there...he's gonna go to Cleveland. It's probably too high to get Landry. I don't see us taking another running back in Petersen...

 

Trade back with Dolphins if Quinn drops?

 

That would make the most sense. I don't think the Bears want to stay at #6. Nine isn't much better (as far as having to pay out a cheaper contract), but the extra pick I'm assuming they'd pick up would make it worth it. I think we could see a case of the Bears picking BPA at 9, and then overdrafting a couple players at 31 and 37 so they can get some relief with their salaries. Maybe reaching on a LB like Durant at 31, though there are rumors he could go to the Colts at 32. And maybe reaching for a safety at 37.

 

But in order to get to 9, they presumably have to get the 6, and in order to get the 6, they have to give up 31. Right?

 

In theory, they would do this:

Briggs and 31 for 6, then 6 for 9 and a mid round pick. That leaves them with 9, 37 and then a bunch of mid rounders.

 

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Mid-rounders can be nice, though. I figure they would at least get a 3rd.

[Chocolate Milk]

9:Okoye

37: Grubbs

 

???

 

6: Landry

37: Jarrett

 

???

 

9:Willis

37: Sears

 

???

 

There are a lot of options here.

 

The value of moving from 9 to 6 is 250 or the 4th pick in the 3rd round.

[Chocolate Milk]

Ha, this is probably why we heard that the Bears could move up to get Quinn and Peterson yeserday. Those players are probably the most tradable guys if they drop to the 6th slot. Sounds like the Bears are setting up future trades in case they trade up.

[rawaction]

9:Okoye

37: Grubbs

 

???

 

6: Landry

37: Jarrett

 

???

 

9:Willis

37: Sears

 

???

 

There are a lot of options here.

 

The value of moving from 9 to 6 is 250 or the 4th pick in the 3rd round.

 

So, I think it's reasonable for the Dolphins to also at least throw in the 7th pick of the 3rd round.

 

So, that would be: 9, 37, 71.

 

I'm thinking: Okoye/Willis at 9. Smith/Jarrett at 37 (Grubbs will be gone by this pick, IMO). And I think they might be looking at RB for the 71st pick, unless a LB they like is on the board (and they don't take Willis in the 1st).

[RynoRules]

I still don't like that deal with the Skins. I'd want more - either the young LB (Mcintosh) or their 3rd Rnd pick in 08'. And trading Lance for the 6th pick doesn't save as much money as you might think, b/c a guy like Landry or Okoye is likely to command a sizeable guranteed signing bonus.

 

This seems to be a draft with a great deal of depth. If they do pick up the 6th pick in exchange for Lance, I'd like to see them spin it off for more picks in the second and fourth rnds.

[Soul]

Kinda sucks that I will need to keep an eye on this thing for the entire 1st round, because the Bears might pop a trade at any time.

 

The 1st round will probably take 4-5 hours. I've got chores to do this weekend ;)

[Banedon]

I wonder if the Redskins deal would be contingent on who was on the board when the 6 pick rolls around? Perhaps this doesn't happen until the Skins are on the clock?

[Chocolate Milk]

I still don't like that deal with the Skins. I'd want more - either the young LB (Mcintosh) or their 3rd Rnd pick in 08'. And trading Lance for the 6th pick doesn't save as much money as you might think, b/c a guy like Landry or Okoye is likely to command a sizeable guranteed signing bonus.

 

This seems to be a draft with a great deal of depth. If they do pick up the 6th pick in exchange for Lance, I'd like to see them spin it off for more picks in the second and fourth rnds.

 

I think it would be tough for Angelo to make the original deal considering he already rejected it. If he can convince Snyder to throw in Mcintosh that would be ideal.

 

It really all depends if he thinks Briggs is bluffing or not.

[rawaction]

I still don't like that deal with the Skins. I'd want more - either the young LB (Mcintosh) or their 3rd Rnd pick in 08'. And trading Lance for the 6th pick doesn't save as much money as you might think, b/c a guy like Landry or Okoye is likely to command a sizeable guranteed signing bonus.

 

This seems to be a draft with a great deal of depth. If they do pick up the 6th pick in exchange for Lance, I'd like to see them spin it off for more picks in the second and fourth rnds.

 

Yeah, I still feel that way too. But as was pointed out there are a ton of rumors floating that Miami would be interested in trading up to get Quinn at #6, so Minnesota doesn't get him at 7. Even if Cleveland takes Quinn, there's a good chance Minnesota could take Peterson, so there will be plenty of teams wanting to move up to take him also (GB, Buffalo, Houston). I'm pretty sure it's contingent on who's on the board at #6, because I don't think the Bears want to be stuck at #6, and like said, have to pay a rookie just as much as they would have had to pay the proven Briggs.

 

Bottom line, getting an extra pick is more valuable than moving up in the draft and losing a pick of their own. If they can get that from another team via Washington, it's still a good deal.

[Soul]

I still don't like that deal with the Skins. I'd want more - either the young LB (Mcintosh) or their 3rd Rnd pick in 08'. And trading Lance for the 6th pick doesn't save as much money as you might think, b/c a guy like Landry or Okoye is likely to command a sizeable guranteed signing bonus.

 

This seems to be a draft with a great deal of depth. If they do pick up the 6th pick in exchange for Lance, I'd like to see them spin it off for more picks in the second and fourth rnds.

 

I think it would be tough for Angelo to make the original deal considering he already rejected it. If he can convince Snyder to throw in Mcintosh that would be ideal.

 

It really all depends if he thinks Briggs is bluffing or not.

 

I really believe that during the recent meeting between Briggs and Angelo, Jerry promised to continue to listen to trade offers and so I think he will do so. But I think it's important to remember that, according to league rules, Briggs is supposed to be "worth" 2 1st round picks straight up. I believe Jerry has that in the back of his mind --- a straight-up swap of 1st rounders, while it might be the best we can get, is way less than what the franchise rules say we should get.

[jersey cubs fan]

I wonder if the Redskins deal would be contingent on who was on the board when the 6 pick rolls around? Perhaps this doesn't happen until the Skins are on the clock?

 

If the ultimate goal is to trade down, I would bet that it does.

[Soul]

I wonder if the Redskins deal would be contingent on who was on the board when the 6 pick rolls around? Perhaps this doesn't happen until the Skins are on the clock?

 

If the ultimate goal is to trade down, I would bet that it does.

 

Which means I'll be watching for at least the first 10 picks, since it looks like 2 of the most prominent trade possibilities involve the 6 and the 9.

 

Who am I kidding though? I'm watching anyway 8-) It's just that the weather's going to be great tomorrow. Want to get some Sun.

[Chocolate Milk]

I wonder if the Redskins deal would be contingent on who was on the board when the 6 pick rolls around? Perhaps this doesn't happen until the Skins are on the clock?

 

If the ultimate goal is to trade down, I would bet that it does.

 

I think the Redskins trade down themselves in a senario where Peterson or Quinn drops. I think they are worried about getting stuck there and for that reason they are trying to make a deal. I don't think they want to roll the dice as they have multiple holes to fill and not a lot of picks.

[CubColtPacer]

I still don't like that deal with the Skins. I'd want more - either the young LB (Mcintosh) or their 3rd Rnd pick in 08'. And trading Lance for the 6th pick doesn't save as much money as you might think, b/c a guy like Landry or Okoye is likely to command a sizeable guranteed signing bonus.

 

This seems to be a draft with a great deal of depth. If they do pick up the 6th pick in exchange for Lance, I'd like to see them spin it off for more picks in the second and fourth rnds.

 

I think it would be tough for Angelo to make the original deal considering he already rejected it. If he can convince Snyder to throw in Mcintosh that would be ideal.

 

It really all depends if he thinks Briggs is bluffing or not.

 

I really believe that during the recent meeting between Briggs and Angelo, Jerry promised to continue to listen to trade offers and so I think he will do so. But I think it's important to remember that, according to league rules, Briggs is supposed to be "worth" 2 1st round picks straight up. I believe Jerry has that in the back of his mind --- a straight-up swap of 1st rounders, while it might be the best we can get, is way less than what the franchise rules say we should get.

 

Two things with this argument:

 

1)The franchise rules were designed to protect the absolute best of the best. It makes sense-design the rules so that teams can get fair compensation if another team signs the very best free agent, and then teams can bargain down from there through trades for less than the best of the best. There are a lot of questions about if Briggs is great (many people think he's just very good) but even if the point is conceded that he's great, I don't think anybody would put him in the category of the top 3 or 4 players in the game, and those are the players who two first rounders are supposed to be fair compensation for.

2) Taking some draft economics, the Redskins offer is just about equal to two first round picks. One of the teams that has been very interested in Briggs is the Patriots. So what are the differences between this Redskins trade and the Patriots just out and out signing him?

 

Redskins 6 pick (1600 points)-Bears 31 pick=1000 points.

Patriots 24 pick (740) plus Patriots 60 pick (a first rounder next year is equal to a second rounder this year=300)=1040.

 

There's not much difference, and the Redskins offer would have actually been better than the Patriots signing Briggs if the Patriots hadn't received a higher first rounder from Seattle this year that they would have to give up.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't even know what I want to have happen tomorrow.

 

 

All I do know is I want the offensive line to be upgraded. Since they don't really need a starter to come in right away, they can get away with waiting for later rounds. But ideally I'd like to see both a guard and a tackle selected at some point, and preferably a guard who is capable of handling center duty.

 

Plus, it would be cool to have more than 4 picks in the first 4 rounds.

[rawaction]

I don't think it's about whether or not you think Briggs is bluffing. It's about making the best move for your team. A deal should only be made if you think it makes you a better team. If some team makes an offer for Urlacher that improves the Bears, they should make that trade too. The possibility that Briggs may never suit up for the Bears again is just icing on the cake.