Its Scary Quiet

[Bruce Miles]

This is why we need to sign Giles for 2B and move DeRosa to SS.

 

People are wasting their time talking about this shortstop thing and Giles. The Cubs, whether you like it or not, are happy with Izturis and are not looking for a shortstop. They signed DeRosa for three years to be their second baseman. They are not going to sign Giles.

 

I cringe at the thought of Murton being platooned. There's no reason to take away at-bats from this promising young player. His splits don't warrant it, either. Unfortunately, Jones is horrible versus lefties, and should almost never face them.

 

I don't think the Cubs have a "straight platoon" planned for Murton. They know that if they sign Floyd, he'll miss a lot of games (he always does), and Murton will get most of the at-bats. The outfield picture has a ways to go before it takes shape.

[VanceJergins]

Bruce, have you heard any specifics as to what Washington is asking for Church and if you think those demands will come down as the offseason goes on? Do you know if the Cubs have considered guys like Gabe Gross?

[Rob]

This is why we need to sign Giles for 2B and move DeRosa to SS.

 

People are wasting their time talking about this shortstop thing and Giles. The Cubs, whether you like it or not, are happy with Izturis and are not looking for a shortstop. They signed DeRosa for three years to be their second baseman. They are not going to sign Giles.

 

You know Bruce, sometimes you ruin my "ignorance is bliss" gambit.

 

I am partly kidding, of course. I really do appreciate the fact that you give us such unparallelled insight into the mindset of the Cubs' front office. I just wish that they gave you better things to say.

[goonys evil twin]

This is why we need to sign Giles for 2B and move DeRosa to SS.

 

People are wasting their time talking about this shortstop thing and Giles. The Cubs, whether you like it or not, are happy with Izturis and are not looking for a shortstop. They signed DeRosa for three years to be their second baseman. They are not going to sign Giles.

 

I cringe at the thought of Murton being platooned. There's no reason to take away at-bats from this promising young player. His splits don't warrant it, either. Unfortunately, Jones is horrible versus lefties, and should almost never face them.

 

I don't think the Cubs have a "straight platoon" planned for Murton. They know that if they sign Floyd, he'll miss a lot of games (he always does), and Murton will get most of the at-bats. The outfield picture has a ways to go before it takes shape.

 

The Cubs got 685 PA out of the 5 spot last year and 680 out of LF. On the low end in both categories due to their low OBP (which means the lineup turns over less often). If the OBP is any better they could get 695-700.

 

Give Murton 500 PA as starting LF, another 40 as a PH when he's not starting, and then 200 to a guy like Floyd, with another 50-60 as a PH, and you'd be giving Murton plenty of opportunity, and when he does sit, having a guy who's a legit threat in his place. You'd also have a solid bat on the bench, and much better depth in the OF in case of injury.

[frostwyrm]

I wouldn't worry about Izturis sticking around. The cold April/May Chicago weather is going to make his already bad tendency to muscle injuries/tightness much much worse. His fragility will cause him to fall out of favor with the org. by midseason.

[b_wiggy_66]

I wouldn't worry about Izturis sticking around. The cold April/May Chicago weather is going to make his already bad tendency to muscle injuries/tightness much much worse. His fragility will cause him to fall out of favor with the org. by midseason.

 

I'm not the biggest Izturis fan, but if you look at him at 26 he compares similar to Omar Vizquel when he was that age. Vizquel had similar type numbers and eventually developed into a solid hitter. If you get the chance look at their stats from early in their careers. Lets see if Izturis will develop more, he is still young. Hopefully he will be one of Gerald Perry's new projects. Working on OBP.

[b_wiggy_66]

Bruce, have you heard any specifics as to what Washington is asking for Church and if you think those demands will come down as the offseason goes on? Do you know if the Cubs have considered guys like Gabe Gross?

 

Gross is worse than Jones. He batted .095 against lefties last year. Yuck. I would much rather keep Jones.

[YearofDaCubs]

I wouldn't worry about Izturis sticking around. The cold April/May Chicago weather is going to make his already bad tendency to muscle injuries/tightness much much worse. His fragility will cause him to fall out of favor with the org. by midseason.

 

I'm not the biggest Izturis fan, but if you look at him at 26 he compares similar to Omar Vizquel when he was that age. Vizquel had similar type numbers and eventually developed into a solid hitter. If you get the chance look at their stats from early in their careers. Lets see if Izturis will develop more, he is still young. Hopefully he will be one of Gerald Perry's new projects. Working on OBP.

Have you seen how bad Izturis' numbers really are?

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6638/career;_ylt=AoJmvMk8Uw_93CIdkyz5IWGFCLcF

 

He's terrible. I would rather take my chances with Theriot in the lineup.

[frostwyrm]

This is why we need to sign Giles for 2B and move DeRosa to SS.

 

People are wasting their time talking about this shortstop thing and Giles. The Cubs, whether you like it or not, are happy with Izturis and are not looking for a shortstop. They signed DeRosa for three years to be their second baseman. They are not going to sign Giles.

 

I cringe at the thought of Murton being platooned. There's no reason to take away at-bats from this promising young player. His splits don't warrant it, either. Unfortunately, Jones is horrible versus lefties, and should almost never face them.

 

I don't think the Cubs have a "straight platoon" planned for Murton. They know that if they sign Floyd, he'll miss a lot of games (he always does), and Murton will get most of the at-bats. The outfield picture has a ways to go before it takes shape.

 

A Murton platoon would disappoint me but it wouldn't surprise me, given that Hendry's decision-making time horizon is severely compressed due to his desire to save his job. I don't doubt that Hendry wouldn't hesitate to do anything that would hurt the longterm health of the team if it would increase the odds of contending in 2007.

[VanceJergins]

Bruce, have you heard any specifics as to what Washington is asking for Church and if you think those demands will come down as the offseason goes on? Do you know if the Cubs have considered guys like Gabe Gross?

 

Gross is worse than Jones. He batted .095 against lefties last year. Yuck. I would much rather keep Jones.

 

I hadnt looked at his splits...but that was only 21 AB's

[Rob]

I wouldn't worry about Izturis sticking around. The cold April/May Chicago weather is going to make his already bad tendency to muscle injuries/tightness much much worse. His fragility will cause him to fall out of favor with the org. by midseason.

 

I'm not the biggest Izturis fan, but if you look at him at 26 he compares similar to Omar Vizquel when he was that age. Vizquel had similar type numbers and eventually developed into a solid hitter. If you get the chance look at their stats from early in their careers. Lets see if Izturis will develop more, he is still young. Hopefully he will be one of Gerald Perry's new projects. Working on OBP.

 

Vizquel

 

Age, IsoD

 

22, .053

23, .052

24, .072

25, .046

26, .064

 

Izturis

 

Age, IsoD

 

21, .010

22, .021

23, .031

24, .042

25, .045

26, .050

 

Izturis is apparently getting more patient, but his best season is still only .004 better than Vizquel's worst through age 26. And even at that, Vizquel has been well below average with the bat most seasons...we are talking about a guy whose career OPS is .702 (measurably worse than Pierre was last year, and nobody thought he qualified as much of a hitter)

Edited December 15, 2006 by Rob

[frostwyrm]

I wouldn't worry about Izturis sticking around. The cold April/May Chicago weather is going to make his already bad tendency to muscle injuries/tightness much much worse. His fragility will cause him to fall out of favor with the org. by midseason.

 

I'm not the biggest Izturis fan, but if you look at him at 26 he compares similar to Omar Vizquel when he was that age. Vizquel had similar type numbers and eventually developed into a solid hitter. If you get the chance look at their stats from early in their careers. Lets see if Izturis will develop more, he is still young. Hopefully he will be one of Gerald Perry's new projects. Working on OBP.

Izturis can't stay healthy. He's been on the DL with hamstring and back problems and has a surgically repaired arthritic elbow. If he couldn't keep his back and hamstrings loose in southern California I don't see him being able to do it in Chicago.

[b_wiggy_66]

Bruce, have you heard any specifics as to what Washington is asking for Church and if you think those demands will come down as the offseason goes on? Do you know if the Cubs have considered guys like Gabe Gross?

 

Gross is worse than Jones. He batted .095 against lefties last year. Yuck. I would much rather keep Jones.

 

I hadnt looked at his splits...but that was only 21 AB's

 

Oops I read it wrong too. I thought it said 121 AB's so I guess you can't read to much into that.

[b_wiggy_66]

I wouldn't worry about Izturis sticking around. The cold April/May Chicago weather is going to make his already bad tendency to muscle injuries/tightness much much worse. His fragility will cause him to fall out of favor with the org. by midseason.

 

I'm not the biggest Izturis fan, but if you look at him at 26 he compares similar to Omar Vizquel when he was that age. Vizquel had similar type numbers and eventually developed into a solid hitter. If you get the chance look at their stats from early in their careers. Lets see if Izturis will develop more, he is still young. Hopefully he will be one of Gerald Perry's new projects. Working on OBP.

Izturis can't stay healthy. He's been on the DL with hamstring and back problems and has a surgically repaired arthritic elbow. If he couldn't keep his back and hamstrings loose in southern California I don't see him being able to do it in Chicago.

 

I guess since I know he's staying at SS this year I'm trying to put an optimistic view on it. I don't really like him, but if hes gonna stay I at least think that he might be good.

 

Oh no, my biggest fear ever. I'm turning into the ever optimistic Cubs fan. :x

[Bruce Miles]

Bruce, have you heard any specifics as to what Washington is asking for Church and if you think those demands will come down as the offseason goes on? Do you know if the Cubs have considered guys like Gabe Gross?

 

I don't know exactly what the Nats have asked for Church, but it's likely they've started with Rich Hill. They're famous for this kind of stuff. It's possible a trade could happen late in the off-season or during spring training. I've not heard the name of Gross mentioned with the Cubs.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Bruce, have you heard any specifics as to what Washington is asking for Church and if you think those demands will come down as the offseason goes on? Do you know if the Cubs have considered guys like Gabe Gross?

 

I don't know exactly what the Nats have asked for Church, but it's likely they've started with Rich Hill. They're famous for this kind of stuff. It's possible a trade could happen late in the off-season or during spring training. I've not heard the name of Gross mentioned with the Cubs.

 

Schuerholz complained about that crap in his book. Some GMs think it's fantasy baseball time come trade time. He also mentioned that Hendry doesn't do that and he's a great guy to deal with, expects to give and get value and doesn't waste time making ridiculous offers and negotiating down to a fair price.

[VanceJergins]

Bruce, have you heard any specifics as to what Washington is asking for Church and if you think those demands will come down as the offseason goes on? Do you know if the Cubs have considered guys like Gabe Gross?

 

I don't know exactly what the Nats have asked for Church, but it's likely they've started with Rich Hill. They're famous for this kind of stuff. It's possible a trade could happen late in the off-season or during spring training. I've not heard the name of Gross mentioned with the Cubs.

 

Thanks for the insight Bruce.

[Soul]

Bruce, have you heard any specifics as to what Washington is asking for Church and if you think those demands will come down as the offseason goes on? Do you know if the Cubs have considered guys like Gabe Gross?

 

I don't know exactly what the Nats have asked for Church, but it's likely they've started with Rich Hill. They're famous for this kind of stuff. It's possible a trade could happen late in the off-season or during spring training. I've not heard the name of Gross mentioned with the Cubs.

 

Schuerholz complained about that crap in his book. Some GMs think it's fantasy baseball time come trade time. He also mentioned that Hendry doesn't do that and he's a great guy to deal with, expects to give and get value and doesn't waste time making ridiculous offers and negotiating down to a fair price.

 

LOL, if they started with Rich Hill then I can totally see why Hendry is looking elsewhere. How stupid.

 

That could explain a lot.

[Danny82]

Getting a trade done assumes that the team wants to move the player and is asking for a reasonable amount in return.

 

A great point.

 

An obvious point.

 

And one that could stand to be considered a little more often here.

[Danny82]

Bruce, have you heard any specifics as to what Washington is asking for Church and if you think those demands will come down as the offseason goes on? Do you know if the Cubs have considered guys like Gabe Gross?

 

I don't know exactly what the Nats have asked for Church, but it's likely they've started with Rich Hill. They're famous for this kind of stuff.

 

No surprise considering how they were able to fleece the Reds last year. It was almost like a lower scale Zambrano for Kazmir deal.

[cheapseats]

Bruce, have you heard any specifics as to what Washington is asking for Church and if you think those demands will come down as the offseason goes on? Do you know if the Cubs have considered guys like Gabe Gross?

 

I don't know exactly what the Nats have asked for Church, but it's likely they've started with Rich Hill. They're famous for this kind of stuff.

 

No surprise considering how they were able to fleece the Reds last year. It was almost like a lower scale Zambrano for Kazmir deal.

 

And don't forget the ridiculous Vidro deal that Bowden just pulled off. Why not ask for too much if other GM's will oblige?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Getting a trade done assumes that the team wants to move the player and is asking for a reasonable amount in return.

 

A great point.

 

An obvious point.

 

And one that could stand to be considered a little more often here.

 

You got that, stupid people?

[Balsa]

Getting a trade done assumes that the team wants to move the player and is asking for a reasonable amount in return.

 

A great point.

 

An obvious point.

 

And one that could stand to be considered a little more often here.

 

You got that, stupid people?

*nods eagerly*

[Danny82]

Getting a trade done assumes that the team wants to move the player and is asking for a reasonable amount in return.

 

A great point.

 

An obvious point.

 

And one that could stand to be considered a little more often here.

 

You got that, stupid people?

 

It's unfortunate that you went that route in responding to my post.

[Keener98]

Getting a trade done assumes that the team wants to move the player and is asking for a reasonable amount in return.

 

A great point.

 

An obvious point.

 

And one that could stand to be considered a little more often here.

 

You got that, stupid people?

 

It's unfortunate that you went that route in responding to my post.

 

Its unfortunate, that every post you make is basically a shot at how "stupid" we here at nsbb are.