Dotel to Royals

[Shilzzz]

Yeah but the Tigers signed former All Stars like Pudge and Ordonez. Neither Dotel nor Meche are sniffing an all star game in their careers IMO

 

if dotel can get back to where he was at while in houston you may be wrong.

[RynoRules]

Yeah but the Tigers signed former All Stars like Pudge and Ordonez. Neither Dotel nor Meche are sniffing an all star game in their careers IMO

 

You'd rather they ink guys like Marquis and Daryl Ward? What should they do? They can't keep going the way they have been. I agree with Southside here.

[TruffleShuffle]

Yeah but the Tigers signed former All Stars like Pudge and Ordonez. Neither Dotel nor Meche are sniffing an all star game in their careers IMO

 

if dotel can get back to where he was at while in houston you may be wrong.

 

I'd have preferred to see some indications of him getting back there before I signed him to a hefty offer.

[YearofDaCubs]

Yeah but the Tigers signed former All Stars like Pudge and Ordonez. Neither Dotel nor Meche are sniffing an all star game in their careers IMO

 

if dotel can get back to where he was at while in houston you may be wrong.

 

I'd have preferred to see some indications of him getting back there before I signed him to a hefty offer.

It's a one year deal so I think 5 mil isn't too bad, especially considering you are trying to show your fans that you give a damn.

[Coach C]

I really like this signing, Dotel appears to be healthy. Dayton said he looked great, the Red Sox also scouted him the other night in winter ball.... and were very impressed, so he looks okay. His stuff is filthy, and I've always liked the idea of having a veteran closer. I always thought we should've done that years ago, put a veteran closer in so guys like MacDougal, Burgos, and now probably Ryan Braun can work their way in being a setup man.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Royals had to throw money at pitching, they were in dire straits. But they're going to be just fine on offense, and they had a good $15MM+ burning a hole in their pocket--with another $11MM about to come off the books next year with Sweeney off-contract.

 

Even if the Royals don't immediately promote Butler (though I think they will), take a gander at this offense: there's only one truly bad bat in the bunch--

 

LF--Teahan, CF--DeJesus, RF--Brown (or Butler in LF, Teahan in RF)

3B--Gordon, SS--Berroa, 2B--Grudzielanek, 1B--Shealy, C--LaRue, DH--Sweeney

 

Super-sub Esteban German and old man Reggie Sanders highlight the bench bats. That's a better offense than a lot of teams are going to put on the field in 2007.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Even if the Royals don't immediately promote Butler (though I think they will), take a gander at this offense: there's only one truly bad bat in the bunch--

 

LF--Teahan, CF--DeJesus, RF--Brown (or Butler in LF, Teahan in RF)

3B--Gordon, SS--Berroa, 2B--Grudzielanek, 1B--Shealy, C--LaRue, DH--Sweeney

 

Super-sub Esteban German and old man Reggie Sanders highlight the bench bats. That's a better offense than a lot of teams are going to put on the field in 2007.

 

Really? Berroa and LaRue are black holes, Grudz isn't any good, Sweeney's coming off a subpar half season, Brown's a platoon player, and Gordon doesn't have a single MLB at bat. It's not a lock to be terrible, but it's nothing admirable really.

[tkenm356]

THE ROYALS ARE RUINING BASEBALL!!!!

 

They need to give teams like the Yankees and Red Sox a chance

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Even if the Royals don't immediately promote Butler (though I think they will), take a gander at this offense: there's only one truly bad bat in the bunch--

 

LF--Teahan, CF--DeJesus, RF--Brown (or Butler in LF, Teahan in RF)

3B--Gordon, SS--Berroa, 2B--Grudzielanek, 1B--Shealy, C--LaRue, DH--Sweeney

 

Super-sub Esteban German and old man Reggie Sanders highlight the bench bats. That's a better offense than a lot of teams are going to put on the field in 2007.

 

Really? Berroa and LaRue are black holes, Grudz isn't any good, Sweeney's coming off a subpar half season, Brown's a platoon player, and Gordon doesn't have a single MLB at bat. It's not a lock to be terrible, but it's nothing admirable really.

 

Wow, you're a bit harsh, there. Brown is full-time, and his numbers are quite respectable (Jock Jones-level production). Grudzielanek is always solid, if uninspiring. Sweeney when healthy is a monster bat. LaRue has been above average some years, lousy last year. Gordon is ready RIGHT NOW.

 

Grudzy: 297/331/409, 7 HR, 52 RBI. League average at worst.

Brown: 287/358/457, 15 HR, 81 RBI. 800+ OPS is not bad at all.

Sweeney: lifetime 302/373/497, only 217 ABs '06 (787 OPS)

LaRue: 806 OPS in '05; awful 663 OPS in '06 (just 191 ABs)

Berroa is indeed the one that sucks (Cedeno-esque 592 OPS)

 

Oh yeah, Alex Gordon in 2006 (AA)? 325/427/588, 29 HR, 101 RBI (486 ABs), with 22 SBs just for good measure. Yep, I'd say he's ready.

[Mizzou]

Even if the Royals don't immediately promote Butler (though I think they will), take a gander at this offense: there's only one truly bad bat in the bunch--

 

LF--Teahan, CF--DeJesus, RF--Brown (or Butler in LF, Teahan in RF)

3B--Gordon, SS--Berroa, 2B--Grudzielanek, 1B--Shealy, C--LaRue, DH--Sweeney

 

Super-sub Esteban German and old man Reggie Sanders highlight the bench bats. That's a better offense than a lot of teams are going to put on the field in 2007.

 

Really? Berroa and LaRue are black holes, Grudz isn't any good, Sweeney's coming off a subpar half season, Brown's a platoon player, and Gordon doesn't have a single MLB at bat. It's not a lock to be terrible, but it's nothing admirable really.

Grudz isn't any good? Over the past four years, his worst average was .294. Saying he isn't any good is completely ridiculous.

[Coach C]

Even if the Royals don't immediately promote Butler (though I think they will), take a gander at this offense: there's only one truly bad bat in the bunch--

 

LF--Teahan, CF--DeJesus, RF--Brown (or Butler in LF, Teahan in RF)

3B--Gordon, SS--Berroa, 2B--Grudzielanek, 1B--Shealy, C--LaRue, DH--Sweeney

 

Super-sub Esteban German and old man Reggie Sanders highlight the bench bats. That's a better offense than a lot of teams are going to put on the field in 2007.

 

Really? Berroa and LaRue are black holes, Grudz isn't any good, Sweeney's coming off a subpar half season, Brown's a platoon player, and Gordon doesn't have a single MLB at bat. It's not a lock to be terrible, but it's nothing admirable really.

 

Not sure how you could possibly say that, considering that he has done a pretty solid job for the Royals. I know that his OBP and OPS isn't glamourus, but it's sure a heck alot better than Neifi Perez when he was in KC.

 

Looking at his stats, it seems that he is going to provide the Royals .290/.330/.400 type of numbers, and there's no reason not to believe that he'll won't put up those numbers this year.

 

I think the organization value Grudz as more of a defensive player. His 2006 defensive numbers.

 

2B - 132 games, committed 4 errors for a .994 fielding percentage.

SS - 4 games, committed 0 errors for a 1.000 fielding percentage.

 

There is one thing I do agree with you TT, Berroa is terrible.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Even if the Royals don't immediately promote Butler (though I think they will), take a gander at this offense: there's only one truly bad bat in the bunch--

 

LF--Teahan, CF--DeJesus, RF--Brown (or Butler in LF, Teahan in RF)

3B--Gordon, SS--Berroa, 2B--Grudzielanek, 1B--Shealy, C--LaRue, DH--Sweeney

 

Super-sub Esteban German and old man Reggie Sanders highlight the bench bats. That's a better offense than a lot of teams are going to put on the field in 2007.

 

Really? Berroa and LaRue are black holes, Grudz isn't any good, Sweeney's coming off a subpar half season, Brown's a platoon player, and Gordon doesn't have a single MLB at bat. It's not a lock to be terrible, but it's nothing admirable really.

 

Not sure how you could possibly say that, considering that he has done a pretty solid job for the Royals. I know that his OBP and OPS isn't glamourus, but it's sure a heck alot better than Neifi Perez when he was in KC.

 

Looking at his stats, it seems that he is going to provide the Royals .290/.330/.400 type of numbers, and there's no reason not to believe that he'll won't put up those numbers this year.

 

I think the organization value Grudz as more of a defensive player. His 2006 defensive numbers.

 

2B - 132 games, committed 4 errors for a .994 fielding percentage.

SS - 4 games, committed 0 errors for a 1.000 fielding percentage.

 

There is one thing I do agree with you TT, Berroa is terrible.

 

It's too bad the Royals can't get rid of Berroa, because KC is one team we could likely trade Izturis to otherwise.

[baseball7897]

Even if the Royals don't immediately promote Butler (though I think they will), take a gander at this offense: there's only one truly bad bat in the bunch--

 

LF--Teahan, CF--DeJesus, RF--Brown (or Butler in LF, Teahan in RF)

3B--Gordon, SS--Berroa, 2B--Grudzielanek, 1B--Shealy, C--LaRue, DH--Sweeney

 

Super-sub Esteban German and old man Reggie Sanders highlight the bench bats. That's a better offense than a lot of teams are going to put on the field in 2007.

 

Really? Berroa and LaRue are black holes, Grudz isn't any good, Sweeney's coming off a subpar half season, Brown's a platoon player, and Gordon doesn't have a single MLB at bat. It's not a lock to be terrible, but it's nothing admirable really.

 

But you want Pie to start in CF for the Cubs.

 

I cant say I agree with anything you said right there.

[Rob]

Even if the Royals don't immediately promote Butler (though I think they will), take a gander at this offense: there's only one truly bad bat in the bunch--

 

LF--Teahan, CF--DeJesus, RF--Brown (or Butler in LF, Teahan in RF)

3B--Gordon, SS--Berroa, 2B--Grudzielanek, 1B--Shealy, C--LaRue, DH--Sweeney

 

Super-sub Esteban German and old man Reggie Sanders highlight the bench bats. That's a better offense than a lot of teams are going to put on the field in 2007.

 

Really? Berroa and LaRue are black holes, Grudz isn't any good, Sweeney's coming off a subpar half season, Brown's a platoon player, and Gordon doesn't have a single MLB at bat. It's not a lock to be terrible, but it's nothing admirable really.

 

But you want Pie to start in CF for the Cubs.

 

I cant say I agree with anything you said right there.

 

You can't agree with Berroa being an offensive black hole?

 

The man batted .234/.259/.333

[baseball7897]

Even if the Royals don't immediately promote Butler (though I think they will), take a gander at this offense: there's only one truly bad bat in the bunch--

 

LF--Teahan, CF--DeJesus, RF--Brown (or Butler in LF, Teahan in RF)

3B--Gordon, SS--Berroa, 2B--Grudzielanek, 1B--Shealy, C--LaRue, DH--Sweeney

 

Super-sub Esteban German and old man Reggie Sanders highlight the bench bats. That's a better offense than a lot of teams are going to put on the field in 2007.

 

Really? Berroa and LaRue are black holes, Grudz isn't any good, Sweeney's coming off a subpar half season, Brown's a platoon player, and Gordon doesn't have a single MLB at bat. It's not a lock to be terrible, but it's nothing admirable really.

 

But you want Pie to start in CF for the Cubs.

 

I cant say I agree with anything you said right there.

 

You can't agree with Berroa being an offensive black hole?

 

The man batted .234/.259/.333

 

Yeah, Berroa is bad.

[ltb]

Gordon doesn't have a single MLB at bat

 

yeah, this does not matter at all.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Even if the Royals don't immediately promote Butler (though I think they will), take a gander at this offense: there's only one truly bad bat in the bunch--

 

LF--Teahan, CF--DeJesus, RF--Brown (or Butler in LF, Teahan in RF)

3B--Gordon, SS--Berroa, 2B--Grudzielanek, 1B--Shealy, C--LaRue, DH--Sweeney

 

Super-sub Esteban German and old man Reggie Sanders highlight the bench bats. That's a better offense than a lot of teams are going to put on the field in 2007.

 

Really? Berroa and LaRue are black holes, Grudz isn't any good, Sweeney's coming off a subpar half season, Brown's a platoon player, and Gordon doesn't have a single MLB at bat. It's not a lock to be terrible, but it's nothing admirable really.

 

But you want Pie to start in CF for the Cubs.

 

I cant say I agree with anything you said right there.

 

Pay attention to the context of what's being said. I want Pie in CF at the bottom of the order to break him in, and deal with whatever highs and lows he puts up. Gordon is being counted on to be a middle of the order beast in order for the offense to be good. Care to explain why you disagree with anything else I said? Brown is essentially Jones from the other side of the plate, Berroa is terrible, LaRue has a career OPS+ of 90 and is coming off a 65 OPS+ as he turns 33(and catchers aren't known to age well), and Sweeney was just a statement of fact, he wasn't all that good and he didn't play very much.

 

And to all, the point with Grudz is that he's not good enough to hit at the top of the order. He's not a drag on the lineup, but you want/need to keep him at the bottom of the lineup, and you've already got LaRue and Berroa sucking it up down there too.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Gordon doesn't have a single MLB at bat

 

yeah, this does not matter at all.

 

Sure it does. I'm not trying to say Gordon's going to flame out Brooks Kieschnick style, but in the context of next season's offense he's far from a lock to put up great production. Look at Miguel Cabrera, his first full season of at bats(after putting up better numbers than Gordon in AA) was a little over an .800 OPS. Nothing terrible, but not that good for expected middle of the order production.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Gordon doesn't have a single MLB at bat

 

yeah, this does not matter at all.

 

Sure it does. I'm not trying to say Gordon's going to flame out Brooks Kieschnick style, but in the context of next season's offense he's far from a lock to put up great production. Look at Miguel Cabrera, his first full season of at bats(after putting up better numbers than Gordon in AA) was a little over an .800 OPS. Nothing terrible, but not that good for expected middle of the order production.

 

I've seen Gordon. He's going to be better than Cabrera. Seriously. This kid is the real deal.

[Rob]

Gordon doesn't have a single MLB at bat

 

yeah, this does not matter at all.

 

Sure it does. I'm not trying to say Gordon's going to flame out Brooks Kieschnick style, but in the context of next season's offense he's far from a lock to put up great production. Look at Miguel Cabrera, his first full season of at bats(after putting up better numbers than Gordon in AA) was a little over an .800 OPS. Nothing terrible, but not that good for expected middle of the order production.

 

I've seen Gordon. He's going to be better than Cabrera. Seriously. This kid is the real deal.

 

Whoa there.

 

Cabrera put up a .339/.430/.568 in the ML during his age 23 season.

 

Gordon put up a .325/.427/.588 in AA during his age 22 season.

 

If Gordon jumps up 2 levels and posts the exact same numbers this year, he'll be marginally better than Cabrera. Somehow, I just don't see that happening.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I think long term Gordon has a shot to be better, especially if Cabrera doesn't learn to get and stay in shape. That'll catch up to him.