Why NOT Adam Dunn? (Merged)

[Mizzou]

We need Adam Dunn.

I don't think any team needs a .230 hitter.

 

Dunn's numbers have gone down each of the last three years. He's not that good of a player.

 

I'd rather have Murton than Dunn.

 

That's just crazy talk.

Why?

[Diffusion]

Sign me up for Dunn. He would complete our offense.

 

CF Soriano

2B DeRosa

1B Lee

LF Dunn

3B Aramis

LF Murton

C Barrett

SS Izturis

 

It looks like there is no avoiding the Lilly signing. Then the Cubs are 1 starting pitcher and a few bench players away from being ready for spring training.

 

C Michael Barrett

1B Derrek Lee

2B Alfonso Soriano

3B Aramis Ramirez

SS Julio Lugo

LF Adam Dunn

CF Jacque Jones/Mark DeRosa platoon

RF Matt Murton

 

Hehe, at second and in the outfield the defence would be brutal, but offensively at least that'd be disgustingly good! Though I have no idea how I'd put it into a lineup!

[Abe Frohman]

The Big Donkey is going to play 160 games, score 100 times, hit 40 HR, and drive in at least 100. He will also walk 100 times, and strike out at least 150.

 

That, my friends, is production. Ugly, but efficient.

[cheapseats]

I don't think any team needs a .230 hitter.

 

No Cub had an OBP higher than Dunn's last year, and last year was a bad year for Dunn.

 

Who cares about his batting average?

[Mizzou]

I don't think any team needs a .230 hitter.

 

No Cub had an OBP higher than Dunn's last year, and last year was a bad year for Dunn.

 

Who cares about his batting average?

I do. OBP is great and all, but a high OBP doesn't excuse a piss poor batting average. I love guys who can get on base in general, but I also love guys who can hit their way on. A walk is nowhere near as valuable as a hit can be.

[Abe Frohman]

I don't think any team needs a .230 hitter.

 

No Cub had an OBP higher than Dunn's last year, and last year was a bad year for Dunn.

 

Who cares about his batting average?

I do. OBP is great and all, but a high OBP doesn't excuse a piss poor batting average. I love guys who can get on base in general, but I also love guys who can hit their way on. A walk is nowhere near as valuable as a hit can be.

 

A high OB% is going to equal more runs. Dunn averages about 100 runs/100 RBI the past three years. Who cares if he has a low batting average. Donkey will produce.

 

Still, the Cubs and Dunn don't really fit defensively, but it would be a hell of an acquisition.

[sethuel1]

The next person to say that Adam Dunn isn't valuable because they don't understand his strikeouts and lack of average are more than made up for by his batting eye and power gets my size 16 legerdemain in their groin.

[Geech]

The next person to say that Adam Dunn isn't valuable because they don't understand his strikeouts and lack of average are more than made up for by his batting eye and power gets my size 16 legerdemain in their groin.

 

You got that calendar too, huh?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't think any team needs a .230 hitter.

 

No Cub had an OBP higher than Dunn's last year, and last year was a bad year for Dunn.

 

Who cares about his batting average?

I do. OBP is great and all, but a high OBP doesn't excuse a piss poor batting average. I love guys who can get on base in general, but I also love guys who can hit their way on. A walk is nowhere near as valuable as a hit can be.

 

Again...

 

few singles + lots of XBH + lots of walks > lots of singles + few XBH + few walks

[Mizzou]

I don't think any team needs a .230 hitter.

 

No Cub had an OBP higher than Dunn's last year, and last year was a bad year for Dunn.

 

Who cares about his batting average?

I do. OBP is great and all, but a high OBP doesn't excuse a piss poor batting average. I love guys who can get on base in general, but I also love guys who can hit their way on. A walk is nowhere near as valuable as a hit can be.

 

Again...

 

few singles + lots of XBH + lots of walks > lots of singles + few XBH + few walks

Well, yeah. But also...

 

lots of hits + few walks > few hits + lots of walks.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't think any team needs a .230 hitter.

 

No Cub had an OBP higher than Dunn's last year, and last year was a bad year for Dunn.

 

Who cares about his batting average?

I do. OBP is great and all, but a high OBP doesn't excuse a piss poor batting average. I love guys who can get on base in general, but I also love guys who can hit their way on. A walk is nowhere near as valuable as a hit can be.

 

Again...

 

few singles + lots of XBH + lots of walks > lots of singles + few XBH + few walks

Well, yeah. But also...

 

lots of hits + few walks > few hits + lots of walks.

 

You're essentially making the "Albert Pujols is better than Dunn" argument. Of course you want more hits if you can sustain a high average and keep everything else equal. But the low batting average is a side effect of a lot of good things, namely Dunn hitting the crap out of the ball for extra bases a lot and walking a lot. Players who get lots of hits and few walks don't normally hit for near as many XBH as a guy like Dunn, and they are less valuable.

[NorthsideAvenger]

I don't think any team needs a .230 hitter.

 

No Cub had an OBP higher than Dunn's last year, and last year was a bad year for Dunn.

 

Who cares about his batting average?

I do. OBP is great and all, but a high OBP doesn't excuse a piss poor batting average. I love guys who can get on base in general, but I also love guys who can hit their way on. A walk is nowhere near as valuable as a hit can be.

 

Agreed. And if Dunn could figure it that there is more to baseball then the LONG homeruns (coughssingles/doubles), his batting average would go up, and OBP would literally reach the level that Bonds was at for the last few yrs.

[Abe Frohman]

I don't think any team needs a .230 hitter.

 

No Cub had an OBP higher than Dunn's last year, and last year was a bad year for Dunn.

 

Who cares about his batting average?

I do. OBP is great and all, but a high OBP doesn't excuse a piss poor batting average. I love guys who can get on base in general, but I also love guys who can hit their way on. A walk is nowhere near as valuable as a hit can be.

 

Agreed. And if Dunn could figure it that there is more to baseball then the LONG homeruns (coughssingles/doubles), his batting average would go up, and OBP would literally reach the level that Bonds was at for the last few yrs.

 

THAT is why Dunn is a pretty solid #5 or 6 hitter, not higher than that.

[sethuel1]

I don't think any team needs a .230 hitter.

 

No Cub had an OBP higher than Dunn's last year, and last year was a bad year for Dunn.

 

Who cares about his batting average?

I do. OBP is great and all, but a high OBP doesn't excuse a piss poor batting average. I love guys who can get on base in general, but I also love guys who can hit their way on. A walk is nowhere near as valuable as a hit can be.

 

Agreed. And if Dunn could figure it that there is more to baseball then the LONG homeruns (coughssingles/doubles), his batting average would go up, and OBP would literally reach the level that Bonds was at for the last few yrs.

 

I would also like Adam Dunn to hit singles at the expense of home runs. That would make him much more valuable.

[Drew Doughty]

I don't think any team needs a .230 hitter.

 

No Cub had an OBP higher than Dunn's last year, and last year was a bad year for Dunn.

 

Who cares about his batting average?

I do. OBP is great and all, but a high OBP doesn't excuse a piss poor batting average. I love guys who can get on base in general, but I also love guys who can hit their way on. A walk is nowhere near as valuable as a hit can be.

 

Agreed. And if Dunn could figure it that there is more to baseball then the LONG homeruns (coughssingles/doubles), his batting average would go up, and OBP would literally reach the level that Bonds was at for the last few yrs.

 

And his SLG would go down and he would essentially be the same player, except with fewer home runs. His OBP would likely not change that much at all, and if it did it wouldn't be that much better, not worth a significant drop in SLG.

[cheapseats]

I don't think any team needs a .230 hitter.

 

No Cub had an OBP higher than Dunn's last year, and last year was a bad year for Dunn.

 

Who cares about his batting average?

I do. OBP is great and all, but a high OBP doesn't excuse a piss poor batting average. I love guys who can get on base in general, but I also love guys who can hit their way on. A walk is nowhere near as valuable as a hit can be.

 

Agreed. And if Dunn could figure it that there is more to baseball then the LONG homeruns (coughssingles/doubles), his batting average would go up, and OBP would literally reach the level that Bonds was at for the last few yrs.

 

THAT is why Dunn is a pretty solid #5 or 6 hitter, not higher than that.

 

Actually, he'd be an awesome #2 hitter.

 

A lot of people advocate Murton for #2, for example, but Murton hits into double plays at nearly twice the rate of Dunn.

 

I'm convinced that the Dunn-haters don't like him for aesthetic reasons.

[Rob]

The Big Donkey is going to play 160 games, score 100 times, hit 40 HR, and drive in at least 100. He will also walk 100 times, and strike out at least 150.

 

That, my friends, is production. Ugly, but efficient.

 

Efficient?

 

It takes him sooo many pitches per plate appearance just to get his thing done. Now Juan Pierre, that guy was efficient! You see the way he grounded out to second on the first pitch? Phenomenal!

[Roast]

 

I'm convinced that the Dunn-haters don't like him for aesthetic reasons.

 

Not possible.

 

Dunn is sexy.

[Abe Frohman]

I don't think any team needs a .230 hitter.

 

No Cub had an OBP higher than Dunn's last year, and last year was a bad year for Dunn.

 

Who cares about his batting average?

I do. OBP is great and all, but a high OBP doesn't excuse a piss poor batting average. I love guys who can get on base in general, but I also love guys who can hit their way on. A walk is nowhere near as valuable as a hit can be.

 

Agreed. And if Dunn could figure it that there is more to baseball then the LONG homeruns (coughssingles/doubles), his batting average would go up, and OBP would literally reach the level that Bonds was at for the last few yrs.

 

THAT is why Dunn is a pretty solid #5 or 6 hitter, not higher than that.

 

Actually, he'd be an awesome #2 hitter.

 

A lot of people advocate Murton for #2, for example, but Murton hits into double plays at nearly twice the rate of Dunn.

 

I'm convinced that the Dunn-haters don't like him for aesthetic reasons.

 

I know Dunn has hit #2 before (I think I remember him leading off before). He wouldn't be terrible, but I would think that Dunn is FAR from the prototypical #2 hitter, who is difficult to strike out and has exceptional bat control (hit & run, inside out pitches, can bunt).

 

Just think of all the Strike Out/Throw Out he and Pierre would have handed the Cubs should he have been acquired last year, and stuck in the 2 hole (we all know that would have never happened with Neifi/Bynum/Izturis).

 

I think Murton or Theriot would be great #2 hitters. Murton is going to walk, and not K too much. He has great gap power, and seems to have good bat control. Then again, I thought Grace would have been a great 2-hitter, but the one year he hit there he had a career low batting average (.273). We'll see how it shakes out.

[Guest]

I would have rather had Abreu.

 

He was traded.

 

For not a whole lot.

 

 

 

Tim = still :(

[cheapseats]

The prototypical #2 hitter might have been a good idea in the 60's. Most managers still make in-game decisions as if it were the 60's.

 

Bob Gibson isn't on the mound anymore. Nobody has a 1.12 ERA. The value of a walk has increased.

 

"Manufacturing runs" is something that should be going on at the bottom of the order, not the top.

[Abe Frohman]

I would have rather had Abreu.

 

He was traded.

 

For not a whole lot.

 

 

 

Tim = still :(

 

Jeez, no kidding. He is the most underrated player in baseball.

 

You have a PM, Tim.

[cheapseats]

I would have rather had Abreu.

 

He was traded.

 

For not a whole lot.

 

 

 

Tim = still :(

 

Yeah, in the short term I'd rather have Abreu, too.

[Guest]

I would have rather had Abreu.

 

He was traded.

 

For not a whole lot.

 

 

 

Tim = still :(

 

Jeez, no kidding. He is the most underrated player in baseball.

 

You have a PM, Tim.

And you have an answer! ;)

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'd rather have Murton than Dunn.

 

That's just crazy talk.

 

It's not really that much of a stretch if Murton can start putting up his post ASB numbers on a consistent basis. He was every bit as good as Dunn offensively in the 2nd half, provides much better defense, and costs a whole lot less.