[Derwood]

Why is everyone assuming Pie is a CF? Don't his run production numbers project him more as a corner guy? Admittedly, I know nothing of his range/arm...

[mg420]

Why is everyone assuming Pie is a CF? Don't his run production numbers project him more as a corner guy? Admittedly, I know nothing of his range/arm...

 

he has a great arm and great range has a very good glove but since his power is only average at this point (15-20 hr's), most people think he is best suited for center. it is alos the position he has played with the cubs since he was drafted.

[Rob]

Why is everyone assuming Pie is a CF? Don't his run production numbers project him more as a corner guy? Admittedly, I know nothing of his range/arm...

 

He already plays a plus major-league CF, and projects to continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

[Vinestal]

Why is everyone assuming Pie is a CF? Don't his run production numbers project him more as a corner guy? Admittedly, I know nothing of his range/arm...

 

He already plays a plus major-league CF, and projects to continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

 

Its his hitting game thats not ready. I really think he needs at least 1 more year in AAA, his numbers dont support his being ready yet.

[Derwood]

Why is everyone assuming Pie is a CF? Don't his run production numbers project him more as a corner guy? Admittedly, I know nothing of his range/arm...

 

He already plays a plus major-league CF, and projects to continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

 

Gotcha. I was just under the impression that he wasn't your typical "speed/range/glove" center fielder. So more like Damon than Pierre?

[Rob]

Why is everyone assuming Pie is a CF? Don't his run production numbers project him more as a corner guy? Admittedly, I know nothing of his range/arm...

 

He already plays a plus major-league CF, and projects to continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

 

Gotcha. I was just under the impression that he wasn't your typical "speed/range/glove" center fielder. So more like Damon than Pierre?

 

A lefty Mike Cameron with some extra speed and not as much patience at the plate.

[Derwood]

Why is everyone assuming Pie is a CF? Don't his run production numbers project him more as a corner guy? Admittedly, I know nothing of his range/arm...

 

He already plays a plus major-league CF, and projects to continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

 

Gotcha. I was just under the impression that he wasn't your typical "speed/range/glove" center fielder. So more like Damon than Pierre?

 

A lefty Mike Cameron with some extra speed and not as much patience at the plate.

 

That's what we're all excited about?

[TruffleShuffle]

Why is everyone assuming Pie is a CF? Don't his run production numbers project him more as a corner guy? Admittedly, I know nothing of his range/arm...

 

He already plays a plus major-league CF, and projects to continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

 

Gotcha. I was just under the impression that he wasn't your typical "speed/range/glove" center fielder. So more like Damon than Pierre?

 

A lefty Mike Cameron with some extra speed and not as much patience at the plate.

 

That's what we're all excited about?

 

No kidding. Now Soriano in CF and Eric Patterson at 2B - THAT I can live with.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Why is everyone assuming Pie is a CF? Don't his run production numbers project him more as a corner guy? Admittedly, I know nothing of his range/arm...

 

He already plays a plus major-league CF, and projects to continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

 

Gotcha. I was just under the impression that he wasn't your typical "speed/range/glove" center fielder. So more like Damon than Pierre?

 

A lefty Mike Cameron with some extra speed and not as much patience at the plate.

 

That's what we're all excited about?

 

I've never been all that excited about him. I'm very pro-shipping him off for a quality starter while everyone is all high on him. I don't wanna see another Patterson mess.

[Rob]

Why is everyone assuming Pie is a CF? Don't his run production numbers project him more as a corner guy? Admittedly, I know nothing of his range/arm...

 

He already plays a plus major-league CF, and projects to continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

 

Gotcha. I was just under the impression that he wasn't your typical "speed/range/glove" center fielder. So more like Damon than Pierre?

 

A lefty Mike Cameron with some extra speed and not as much patience at the plate.

 

That's what we're all excited about?

 

 

Perhaps I forgot to mention that speed should let him keep his BA around .300 most seasons, with a few flukes going both ways.

 

Peak years?

 

.320/.370/.540

 

With 40 SB and Plus-plus defense.

[Jehrico]

Why is everyone assuming Pie is a CF? Don't his run production numbers project him more as a corner guy? Admittedly, I know nothing of his range/arm...

 

He already plays a plus major-league CF, and projects to continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

 

Gotcha. I was just under the impression that he wasn't your typical "speed/range/glove" center fielder. So more like Damon than Pierre?

He's got an arm, unlike Damon. I think Torii Hunter is a better comparison, especially if he comes somewhat close to his ceiling.

[Derwood]

Why is everyone assuming Pie is a CF? Don't his run production numbers project him more as a corner guy? Admittedly, I know nothing of his range/arm...

 

He already plays a plus major-league CF, and projects to continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

 

Gotcha. I was just under the impression that he wasn't your typical "speed/range/glove" center fielder. So more like Damon than Pierre?

 

A lefty Mike Cameron with some extra speed and not as much patience at the plate.

 

That's what we're all excited about?

 

 

Perhaps I forgot to mention that speed should let him keep his BA around .300 most seasons, with a few flukes going both ways.

 

Peak years?

 

.320/.370/.540

 

With 40 SB and Plus-plus defense.

 

And Jason Dubois would hit 30 HR in the majors. I'll believe it when I see it

[Rob]

Why is everyone assuming Pie is a CF? Don't his run production numbers project him more as a corner guy? Admittedly, I know nothing of his range/arm...

 

He already plays a plus major-league CF, and projects to continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

 

Gotcha. I was just under the impression that he wasn't your typical "speed/range/glove" center fielder. So more like Damon than Pierre?

 

A lefty Mike Cameron with some extra speed and not as much patience at the plate.

 

That's what we're all excited about?

 

 

Perhaps I forgot to mention that speed should let him keep his BA around .300 most seasons, with a few flukes going both ways.

 

Peak years?

 

.320/.370/.540

 

With 40 SB and Plus-plus defense.

 

And Jason Dubois would hit 30 HR in the majors. I'll believe it when I see it

 

I was doing the "if he establishes himself at the level he's capable of" projection.

 

I have very little doubt in my mind he'll manage to pull together a few 20/20 seasons. The question in my mind is whether that will be his baseline or his peak. It depends on how his plate discipline comes around.

[Balsa]

And Jason Dubois would hit 30 HR in the majors. I'll believe it when I see it

Not that I disagree with you, but Dubois was 26 in 2005. Pie will be 22 next year.

[CoolHandLuke]

Why is everyone assuming Pie is a CF? Don't his run production numbers project him more as a corner guy? Admittedly, I know nothing of his range/arm...

 

He already plays a plus major-league CF, and projects to continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

 

Gotcha. I was just under the impression that he wasn't your typical "speed/range/glove" center fielder. So more like Damon than Pierre?

 

A lefty Mike Cameron with some extra speed and not as much patience at the plate.

 

That's what we're all excited about?

 

No kidding. Now Soriano in CF and Eric Patterson at 2B - THAT I can live with.

 

Why are you so quick to write off Pie but so high on Patterson?

[Balsa]

Why are you so quick to write off Pie but so high on Patterson?

Because Patterson can take a walk, has surprising power, and rocked his offseason baseball, whereas Pie has struggled mightily.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why are you so quick to write off Pie but so high on Patterson?

Because Patterson can take a walk, has surprising power, and is rocked his offseason baseball, whereas Pie has struggled mightily.

 

When Patterson was Pie's age, he hadn't played an inning of professional baseball.

[TruffleShuffle]

Why are you so quick to write off Pie but so high on Patterson?

 

Pie: 164 BB/438 K in 487 minor league games

Patterson: 111/199 in 257 games

 

Really, I don't hate Pie, and I do hope that his performance this season merits giving him a shot in 2008. I just have a feeling that his plate discipline will hold him back, and I fear that he's in the wrong organization to teach it to him. Patterson came into the organization with a good idea of the strike zone. Mostly, I just like Patterson as a potential leadoff hitter - Soriano shouldn't be hitting leadoff, and he won't be once he starts slowing down.

[Balsa]

Why are you so quick to write off Pie but so high on Patterson?

Because Patterson can take a walk, has surprising power, and is rocked his offseason baseball, whereas Pie has struggled mightily.

 

When Patterson was Pie's age, he hadn't played an inning of professional baseball.

I'm aware, and I also know that Pie has always played in the level above him. But right now, Patterson is clearly the hot hand.

[CoolHandLuke]

Patterson still hit .263 in AA this year at 23. He had a hot stretch in the fall league but the conditions in the AFL extremely favor the hitters so take those numbers with a grain of salt. I like Patterson but imo Pie is still a superior prospect by a good margin. (And it's not like CF is a position chock full of hitters, and Pie seems to play premium defense, wheras Patterson seems to have some defensive questions)

 

*note on Patience*

 

Patterson's IsoD: .063

Pie's IsoD: .058

[Guest]

Patterson still hit .263 in AA this year at 23. He had a hot stretch in the fall league but the conditions in the AFL extremely favor the hitters so take those numbers with a grain of salt. I like Patterson but imo Pie is still a superior prospect by a good margin. (And it's not like CF is a position chock full of hitters, and Pie seems to play premium defense, wheras Patterson seems to have some defensive questions)

 

*note on Patience*

 

Patterson's IsoD: .063

Pie's IsoD: .058

 

IsoD isn't a good stat. walks per plate appearance is far more telling.

[Balsa]

Patterson still hit .263 in AA this year at 23. He had a hot stretch in the fall league but the conditions in the AFL extremely favor the hitters so take those numbers with a grain of salt. I like Patterson but imo Pie is still a superior prospect by a good margin. (And it's not like CF is a position chock full of hitters, and Pie seems to play premium defense, wheras Patterson seems to have some defensive questions)

 

*note on Patience*

 

Patterson's IsoD: .063

Pie's IsoD: .058

 

IsoD isn't a good stat. walks per plate appearance is far more telling.

First I've heard of that. Why do you say so?

[TruffleShuffle]

Patterson still hit .263 in AA this year at 23. He had a hot stretch in the fall league but the conditions in the AFL extremely favor the hitters so take those numbers with a grain of salt. I like Patterson but imo Pie is still a superior prospect by a good margin. (And it's not like CF is a position chock full of hitters, and Pie seems to play premium defense, wheras Patterson seems to have some defensive questions)

 

*note on Patience*

 

Patterson's IsoD: .063

Pie's IsoD: .058

 

Well, I find it humorous that you refer to Patterson's .263 average seemingly to say he had a mediocre year, but then you use IsoD later in the post. As you probably know, batting average is a really lousy stat to evaluate a player's performance. And by the way, he hit .358 at Iowa.

 

As for AFL, he ranked in the top 10 in BA (there's that stat again!), OBP and OPS, so regardless of it being a hitter's league, he was one of the best players in the league. And, it should be noted that the Southern League traditionally favors pitchers.

[CoolHandLuke]

Patterson BB/PA (roughly): 0.082

Pie BB/PA (roughly): 0.075

 

It's not like Patterson has a ton more discipline than Pie. and besides, he should be a lot more disciplined than Pie. He grew up playing in the US and played college ball and is two years older.

[Guest]

Patterson still hit .263 in AA this year at 23. He had a hot stretch in the fall league but the conditions in the AFL extremely favor the hitters so take those numbers with a grain of salt. I like Patterson but imo Pie is still a superior prospect by a good margin. (And it's not like CF is a position chock full of hitters, and Pie seems to play premium defense, wheras Patterson seems to have some defensive questions)

 

*note on Patience*

 

Patterson's IsoD: .063

Pie's IsoD: .058

 

IsoD isn't a good stat. walks per plate appearance is far more telling.

First I've heard of that. Why do you say so?

 

because you are comparing a stat measured by ABs versus a stat measured by PAs. Its misleading. A better stat than batting average is hit percentage (ie hits/PAs). This would allow a correct way to see a players walk rate (obp-hpct).