Matsuzaka and Red Sox NOT Close to a Deal

[RyCubsFan]

Red Sox = dumbasses.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

They certainly have made some "dumbass" moves in the recent past, like Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Josh Beckett, and Bronson Arroyo for Willy Mo Pena. They'd be a much better team with Ramirez, Sanchez, and Arroyo back on their team.

[craig]

Matsuzaka will end up blinking first. His Japanese team doesn't want him, they want the 51.1 mil. He is in line to only make a few mil in 2007 versus 20 or 30 mil total here. He'll take the big pay day. Boras will just take it till the final hour to wring out every last penny.

 

There could be an easy solution to the problem that's good for everybody.

 

Boston: After $51 on bid, they don't want to go more than $30/5 on contract, if that. They hold the line at $30/5, $6/year. Net: $81/5, that's plenty of money spent for them.

 

Mats: He and Boras would like to get at least $10/year. Obviously they'd like $16/year, or whatever. But they can compromise some. But, $6/year is too much and they won't go there. No deal unless.....

 

Seibu: They'd like to clear the $51. But they'd rather clear $31 than to end up with zero. No deal is bad for them, unless.....

 

Solution: Boras tells Seibu to kick back $20 to Mats.

 

Bottom line:

*Seibu: $51 - $20 = $31 to the good. That's enough to make it worth their while, and some.

 

*Mats: $30/5 from Boras, plus $20 from Seibu. $50/5 combined, less than what he'd like or get on free market, but better than going back and still good enough for a guy without real bargaining leverage.

 

*Boston: $51 for bid + $30/5 = $81/5. That's pretty stiff money, but for a young ace, that's a reasonable price to pay.

 

You can adjust the numbers some, to make the balance work out better.

 

But I think a deal where a good chunk of the $51 bid kicks back to Mats is the solution for everybody. No way Boston should pay $10/year on top of the $51 bid. If Boston is willing to put in $70 and more in combined bid+contract, no way that Mats should end up with only $20-30 of it and Seibu with $51. Seibu's $51 cut is obviously way to big. By Seibu cutting a chunk of that and giving it to Mats, they insure that they still get a big chunk (way better than nothing), and they insure that Mats is able to go to Boston.

 

Win-Win-Win.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

They certainly have made some "dumbass" moves in the recent past, like Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez for Josh Beckett, and Bronson Arroyo for Willy Mo Pena. They'd be a much better team with Ramirez, Sanchez, and Arroyo back on their team.

 

Ah, hindsight, a non-believers best friend.

 

Ramirez just a year or so ago was losing his shine after reports of bad makeup and horrible performance .271/.335/.385/720 in '05.

 

Sanchez had never stayed healthy, and Beckett was already a very good young pitcher.

 

Arroyo was a better pitcher than they gave him credit for, and they kinda treated him poorly. Didn't like that situation they put him in.

[goonys evil twin]

There could be an easy solution to the problem that's good for everybody.

 

 

 

Solution: Boras tells Seibu to kick back $20 to Mats.

 

I would bet there would be some sort of ruling that said that would not be allowed.

[baseball7897]

Couldn't the Red Sox trade his rights to another team?

 

That's an interesting scenario, but the Red Sox would either need a lot of young cheap talent or they would need a team to pitch in a large portion of the 51 million they used to post him.

 

Could the Dodgers trade Penny and a young OF guy for him?

 

Why would the Dodgers trade Brad Penny? Brad Penny just dominated hitter's in the first half of the season. He would cost less than Matsuzaka will also.

[CuseCubFan69]

Couldn't the Red Sox trade his rights to another team?

 

That's an interesting scenario, but the Red Sox would either need a lot of young cheap talent or they would need a team to pitch in a large portion of the 51 million they used to post him.

 

Could the Dodgers trade Penny and a young OF guy for him?

 

Why would the Dodgers Trade Brad Penny? Brad Penny just dominated hitter's in the first half of the season. He would cost less than Matsuzaka will also.

 

I thought I read they wanted to move him.

[goonys evil twin]

Couldn't the Red Sox trade his rights to another team?

 

That's an interesting scenario, but the Red Sox would either need a lot of young cheap talent or they would need a team to pitch in a large portion of the 51 million they used to post him.

 

Could the Dodgers trade Penny and a young OF guy for him?

 

Why would the Dodgers trade Brad Penny? Brad Penny just dominated hitter's in the first half of the season. He would cost less than Matsuzaka will also.

 

Well, he was terrible in the second half and didn't crack their postseason rotation. That's not what you want out of a big money pitcher. Plus, he was acquired, and extended, prior to Colletti regime. I think it would make sense that they might want to move him.