C. Lee to Astros - 6 years/$100 M

[jjgman21]

yeah his real value is that he gets out a lot, ohh that just makes me all giddy inside!

 

I don't get this. If we are just going to throw around thoughtless insults that have no bearing on the discussion, let's just not post. I think this thread has enough pointless sarcasm by now.

 

oh the irony.

[Sarcastic]

yeah his real value is that he gets out a lot, ohh that just makes me all giddy inside!

 

I don't get this. If we are just going to throw around thoughtless insults that have no bearing on the discussion, let's just not post. I think this thread has enough pointless sarcasm by now.

 

lol i get it the sarcasm guy doesnt like sarcasm

 

brilliant

Actually, I wasn't joking. This is getting a bit too juvenile.

[treebird]

yeah his real value is that he gets out a lot, ohh that just makes me all giddy inside!

 

I don't get this. If we are just going to throw around thoughtless insults that have no bearing on the discussion, let's just not post. I think this thread has enough pointless sarcasm by now.

 

lol i get it the sarcasm guy doesnt like sarcasm

 

brilliant

Actually, I wasn't joking. This is getting a bit too juvenile.

 

oh god stop youre killing me

 

lololol

[NorthsideAvenger]

Soriano's speed is NOT a threat to the Cubs offense, just like Pierre' speed wasn't a threat to the Cubs offense. But what was Pierre's threat to the offense, was his "decision making ability" on when to run, is what hurt the Cubs. If Soriano's makes bad decision on when to steal, THEN it hurts the offense. Speed is only an threat if it is misused.

 

Imagine Berkman and Lee (I know Lance will be at first base) in the outfield. The hilarity that would followed, would be "Three Stooges" esque.

[Mephistopheles]

I don't get this. If we are just going to throw around thoughtless insults that have no bearing on the discussion, let's just not post. I think this thread has enough pointless sarcasm by now.

 

It was sarcasm, with a hidden point. You know if you take out their footspeed, Carlos Lee has a career 835 OPS, so does Soriano. Lee's career EqA is .284, and Soriano's is .287*. Carlos Lee's OPS+ is 113 and Soriano's is 115. They both hit 30 or so homers a year, give or take a couple.

 

So in reality when they are standing at the plate they are pretty much unrecognizable from each other. We intend on playing Soriano in RF, so there's no reason to add value to Soriano playing a more demanding position such as center or second.

 

So in reality the only difference is Soriano's SB speed and CS outs. So we decided to give more money to Soriano for more years when he is six months older all basically because well he can run.

 

So yeah, it's definitely something that you know I decided to just bitch and moan for no reason when in fact i have every reason to speak my mind in this way. It's a pity you didn't read into it like that and thought it was just thoughtless bantering. I guess I am not the thoughtless one...

 

*EqA does involve SB/CS, so dock Soriano down a point or so if you take off the speed factor.

Edited November 25, 2006 by Mephistopheles

[Sarcastic]

yeah his real value is that he gets out a lot, ohh that just makes me all giddy inside!

 

I don't get this. If we are just going to throw around thoughtless insults that have no bearing on the discussion, let's just not post. I think this thread has enough pointless sarcasm by now.

 

lol i get it the sarcasm guy doesnt like sarcasm

 

brilliant

Actually, I wasn't joking. This is getting a bit too juvenile.

 

oh god stop youre killing me

 

lololol

 

Maybe you should be Sarcastic.

 

When was the last time you wrote a post that had to do with baseball? Take it to the social forum.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

yay we got a speed threat who can't walk and gets thrown out an additional 20 or so time on the bases because of that speed. Man what a threat!

 

Soriano's speed is only a threat to our offense. Not to the opposing teams.

 

I just don't get why those who subscribe to the new way of baseball thinking have such a hard time conveying their message.

 

 

 

wait...yes I do.

Yes, because personal insults is the way to get YOUR point across.

 

No offense. But your first response to me could be viewed as a tongue in cheek "mockery" insult. And I think that's his point, if not his it's mine. No need to insult people who do not feel the way you do, ok?

 

nevermind that my comment was in no way, shape, or form a personal insult.

 

hahaha, what exactly was it then?

[treebird]

yeah his real value is that he gets out a lot, ohh that just makes me all giddy inside!

 

I don't get this. If we are just going to throw around thoughtless insults that have no bearing on the discussion, let's just not post. I think this thread has enough pointless sarcasm by now.

 

lol i get it the sarcasm guy doesnt like sarcasm

 

brilliant

Actually, I wasn't joking. This is getting a bit too juvenile.

 

oh god stop youre killing me

 

lololol

 

Maybe you should be Sarcastic.

 

When was the last time you wrote a post that had to do with baseball? Take it to the social forum.

 

i write lots of posts about baseball. for example, page four of this thread.

[Mephistopheles]

nevermind that my comment was in no way, shape, or form a personal insult.

 

 

that's just a lie

 

 

I just don't get why those who subscribe to the new way of baseball thinking have such a hard time conveying their message.

 

 

 

wait...yes I do.

read it again

[Ding Dong Johnson]

yeah his real value is that he gets out a lot, ohh that just makes me all giddy inside!

 

I don't get this. If we are just going to throw around thoughtless insults that have no bearing on the discussion, let's just not post. I think this thread has enough pointless sarcasm by now.

 

lol i get it the sarcasm guy doesnt like sarcasm

 

brilliant

Actually, I wasn't joking. This is getting a bit too juvenile.

 

oh god stop youre killing me

 

lololol

 

Maybe you should be Sarcastic.

 

When was the last time you wrote a post that had to do with baseball? Take it to the social forum.

 

i write lots of posts about baseball. for example, page four of this thread.

 

Oh snap, yes you did. More than once too.

[Sarcastic]

I don't get this. If we are just going to throw around thoughtless insults that have no bearing on the discussion, let's just not post. I think this thread has enough pointless sarcasm by now.

 

It was sarcasm, with a hidden point. You know if you take out their footspeed, Carlos Lee has a career 835 OPS, so does Soriano. Lee's career EqA is .284, and Soriano's is .287*. Carlos Lee's OPS+ is 113 and Soriano's is 115. They both hit 30 or so homers a year, give or take a couple.

 

So in reality when they are standing at the plate they are pretty much unrecognizable from each other. We intend on playing Soriano in RF, so there's no reason to add value to Soriano playing a more demanding position such as center or second.

 

So in reality the only difference is Soriano's SB speed and CS outs. So we decided to give more money to Soriano for more years when he is six months older all basically because well he can run.

 

So yeah, it's definitely something that you know I decided to just bitch and moan for no reason when in fact i have every reason to speak my mind in this way. It's a pity you didn't read into it like that and thought it was just thoughtless bantering. I guess I am not the thoughtless one...

 

*EqA does involve SB/CS, so dock Soriano down a point or so if you take off the speed factor.

 

That's more like it. I have to say though, I disagree with one main point that you made. Soriano retains some of the value of being able to play a defensive position, as he can move back if he has the chance. That gives a bit of extra flexibility, and would be useful, if the Cubs management was smart enough to use it in the coming offseasons. I'll agree with you that the difference between Lee and Soriano is not that substantial if Soriano is not playing CF or 2B, though.

[jjgman21]

nevermind that my comment was in no way, shape, or form a personal insult.

 

 

that's just a lie

 

 

I just don't get why those who subscribe to the new way of baseball thinking have such a hard time conveying their message.

 

 

 

wait...yes I do.

read it again

 

so you're calling me a lier!?! mods, he's personally insulting me.

 

give it a rest. I guess you're the only one who gets to use sarcasm with a hidden point.

Edited November 25, 2006 by jjgman21

[Mephistopheles]

if soriano is playing cf then yeah but if sorianos playing 2b the added bonus of him playing there just might be negating by his defense which is uninspring at best

 

jj, who said lying was a personal insult? everyone lies...

 

http://www.piercecollege.edu/faculty/chartrfj/images/Bill%20Clinton.jpg

[Sarcastic]

if soriano is playing cf then yeah but if sorianos playing 2b the added bonus of him playing there just might be negating by his defense which is uninspring at best

 

Possibly. How much much damage does his 2B defence do? I'd imagine it would have to be fairly bad to offset the difference in average production from 2B to LF.

Edited November 25, 2006 by Sarcastic

[Mephistopheles]

in WARP the difference is about 15 runs over 162 games. in eqa the difference is about 12 runs over 162 games.

 

these are comparing average productin at both spots. I would assume that the stdev at lf is a lot higher than the stdev at 2b which makes the difference higher.

[OleMissCub]

in WARP the difference is about 15 runs over 162 games. in eqa the difference is about 12 runs over 162 games.

 

these are comparing average productin at both spots. I would assume that the stdev at lf is a lot higher than the stdev at 2b which makes the difference higher.

 

Does it make me stupid that I played the game for 16 years of my life and don't have a clue as to what the hell y'all are talking about? What the crap is WARP??

[jjgman21]

in WARP the difference is about 15 runs over 162 games. in eqa the difference is about 12 runs over 162 games.

 

these are comparing average productin at both spots. I would assume that the stdev at lf is a lot higher than the stdev at 2b which makes the difference higher.

 

Does it make me stupid that I played the game for 16 years of my life and don't have a clue as to what the hell y'all are talking about? What the crap is WARP??

 

no, but using the term y'all does.

 

I kid, I kid.

[OleMissCub]

in WARP the difference is about 15 runs over 162 games. in eqa the difference is about 12 runs over 162 games.

 

these are comparing average productin at both spots. I would assume that the stdev at lf is a lot higher than the stdev at 2b which makes the difference higher.

 

Does it make me stupid that I played the game for 16 years of my life and don't have a clue as to what the hell y'all are talking about? What the crap is WARP??

 

no, but using the term y'all does.

 

I kid, I kid.

 

Ya right. You probably think I walk around barefoot and use corncobs and the sears catalog when I go out to my outhouse.

[Drew Doughty]

in WARP the difference is about 15 runs over 162 games. in eqa the difference is about 12 runs over 162 games.

 

these are comparing average productin at both spots. I would assume that the stdev at lf is a lot higher than the stdev at 2b which makes the difference higher.

 

Does it make me stupid that I played the game for 16 years of my life and don't have a clue as to what the hell y'all are talking about? What the crap is WARP??

 

WARP is wins over replacement players, I think.

[OleMissCub]

in WARP the difference is about 15 runs over 162 games. in eqa the difference is about 12 runs over 162 games.

 

these are comparing average productin at both spots. I would assume that the stdev at lf is a lot higher than the stdev at 2b which makes the difference higher.

 

Does it make me stupid that I played the game for 16 years of my life and don't have a clue as to what the hell y'all are talking about? What the crap is WARP??

 

WARP is wins over replacement players, I think.

 

What? Wins over replacement players?

[Mephistopheles]

wins over a replacement level player.

 

Think Neifi without the glove.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

in WARP the difference is about 15 runs over 162 games. in eqa the difference is about 12 runs over 162 games.

 

these are comparing average productin at both spots. I would assume that the stdev at lf is a lot higher than the stdev at 2b which makes the difference higher.

 

Does it make me stupid that I played the game for 16 years of my life and don't have a clue as to what the hell y'all are talking about? What the crap is WARP??

 

Wins Above Replacement Player

[jjgman21]

in WARP the difference is about 15 runs over 162 games. in eqa the difference is about 12 runs over 162 games.

 

these are comparing average productin at both spots. I would assume that the stdev at lf is a lot higher than the stdev at 2b which makes the difference higher.

 

Does it make me stupid that I played the game for 16 years of my life and don't have a clue as to what the hell y'all are talking about? What the crap is WARP??

 

no, but using the term y'all does.

 

I kid, I kid.

 

Ya right. You probably think I walk around barefoot and use corncobs and the sears catalog when I go out to my outhouse.

 

flip flops and your hand.

[OleMissCub]

 

flip flops and your hand.

 

LOL. That's funny.

[OleMissCub]

in WARP the difference is about 15 runs over 162 games. in eqa the difference is about 12 runs over 162 games.

 

these are comparing average productin at both spots. I would assume that the stdev at lf is a lot higher than the stdev at 2b which makes the difference higher.

 

Does it make me stupid that I played the game for 16 years of my life and don't have a clue as to what the hell y'all are talking about? What the crap is WARP??

 

Wins Above Replacement Player

 

That is the most pointless stat I've ever seen in my life. Holy cow.