Maddux again?

[Schwarber Fan]

How about a third time?

 

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Other than location, the Cubs would seem to be a fit for Maddux, who also wants to win immediately.

 

Furthermore, Maddux is the type of mid-level, free-agent starter the Cubs need. Actually, they need a couple of guys just like him who can take the ball 34 times and give them 210 innings and about 15 victories.

 

“Chicago was great. I mean, if you can’t have fun playing baseball in Chicago, you can’t have fun anywhere,’’ Maddux said. “I think I know where I want to go and what I want to do, but hey, somebody has to offer you a job.

 

“If nobody does, I’ll be on a plane over to Ireland for a few weeks of golf.’’

[Mark Priors Calves]

please stay away.

[goonys evil twin]

Greg should get a restraining order against Rozner.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Can you please stop having a sig that's 3469.52 KB?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Rozner loves him some Maddux.

 

Maddux's preference is to pitch for the Dodgers. Would he return? Maybe. I wouldn't hate the move. I wouldn't love it.

[rocket]

he can come back at a 1 year deal for 5-6 million TOPS.

 

won't happen.

[UMFan83]

Maddux would be a better option then a lot of the names being floated around. However, his name alone would make him more expensive.

[USSoccer]

God, I cannot stand Rozner's man-love for Maddux.

 

The Cubs need to forget who Greg Maddux is.

[Mark_R]

Why is this guy even an option?

[CuseCubFan69]

God, I cannot stand Rozner's man-love for Maddux.

 

The Cubs need to forget who Greg Maddux is.

 

Who Greg Madduux was you mean.

[hawkcub]

Maddux = Great Cub of the PAST.

[YearofDaCubs]

I don't want him back. If we can't sign Schmidt, I would like to see us get Lilly/Padilla and Wolf.

[USSoccer]

Why is this guy even an option?

 

Because it's awesome to see a guy have every start over a 3 month period be a total disaster.

[Omar]

The guy goes out and throws in 30+ games a season.. which is more than we can say about our pitching staff. I would like him back. Also a great addition to the clubhouse.

[CubColtPacer]

Maddux could still put up slightly better numbers than just about all of the second-tier pitchers on the market, even though he has slipped considerably. It would depend on the price.

[USSoccer]

The guy goes out and throws in 30+ games a season.. which is more than we can say about our pitching staff. I would like him back. Also a great addition to the clubhouse.

 

And in 20 of those starts he's going to blow up and be terrible. I could care less about his clubhouse rep. It's one of the most overrated aspects of baseball.

 

There's no reason to repeat past mistakes. He's no better than a 5th starter, and if we're going to bring in a guy who's simply going to take the ball every 5th day, we have about 5 guys who can be 5th starters and "take the ball every 5th day" at a fraction of the cost.

[CubColtPacer]

The guy goes out and throws in 30+ games a season.. which is more than we can say about our pitching staff. I would like him back. Also a great addition to the clubhouse.

 

And in 20 of those starts he's going to blow up and be terrible. I could care less about his clubhouse rep. It's one of the most overrated aspects of baseball.

 

There's no reason to repeat past mistakes. He's no better than a 5th starter, and if we're going to bring in a guy who's simply going to take the ball every 5th day, we have about 5 guys who can be 5th starters and "take the ball every 5th day" at a fraction of the cost.

 

Do we have 5 guys who could perform to his level? All of his statistics still stack up well with the other pitchers on the market. We were talking about Meche a week ago, and Maddux would likely be a great deal better than Meche for the next 1-2 seasons.

 

Maddux is still a pitcher who will give you slightly above average production, which is rare for pitchers in this market. Depending on the cost, why not sign him for 1-2 years, and then we can grab a pitcher when a better market establishes, rather than signing another average pitcher now for 3-5 years?

[USSoccer]

The guy goes out and throws in 30+ games a season.. which is more than we can say about our pitching staff. I would like him back. Also a great addition to the clubhouse.

 

And in 20 of those starts he's going to blow up and be terrible. I could care less about his clubhouse rep. It's one of the most overrated aspects of baseball.

 

There's no reason to repeat past mistakes. He's no better than a 5th starter, and if we're going to bring in a guy who's simply going to take the ball every 5th day, we have about 5 guys who can be 5th starters and "take the ball every 5th day" at a fraction of the cost.

 

Do we have 5 guys who could perform to his level? All of his statistics still stack up well with the other pitchers on the market. We were talking about Meche a week ago, and Maddux would likely be a great deal better than Meche for the next 1-2 seasons.

 

Maddux is still a pitcher who will give you slightly above average production, which is rare for pitchers in this market. Depending on the cost, why not sign him for 1-2 years, and then we can grab a pitcher when a better market establishes, rather than signing another average pitcher now for 3-5 years?

 

He not above average. He's barely average. And I want no part of Meche, either.

 

There are options out there to trade for a picther. There's no reason to sign mediocrity for the sake of it. Maddux is mediocre. I have no doubt than we can find mediocre for less.

[waffle]

In a second.

 

200 innings

<40 walks

combined 4.00 era (approx.)

One of the smartest pitchers to ever take the mound

Still a great fielder

Consumate professional

Always stays in shape

 

Hey, when playing for a winning team (the dodgers) he put up some very respectable #'s. If he'd have us, I'd take him TODAY

[Wheelimus]

If it's one year of maddux versus four of meche, give me Maddux.

[USSoccer]

In a second.

 

200 innings

<40 walks

combined 4.00 era (approx.)

One of the smartest pitchers to ever take the mound

Still a great fielder

Consumate professional

Always stays in shape

 

Hey, when playing for a winning team (the dodgers) he put up some very respectable #'s. If he'd have us, I'd take him TODAY

 

-200 bad innings isn't anything special

-20 HR's allowed, 14 of which came with us, and not in cavernous Dodger Stadium

 

-He had a 4.20 ERA overall, and a 4.69 ERA with the Cubs. That's bad.

-His intelligence can't make up for deteriorating stuff

-A great fielding P isn't that valuable.

-Who cares how professional he is

-He never looked like he was in shape during his recent 2.5 years here.

 

He put up respectable numbers playing for a team with a pitcher's park in a division full of pitchers parks. The NL Central is full of hitters parks.

 

He won't be worth whatever he costs.

[CubColtPacer]

In a second.

 

200 innings

<40 walks

combined 4.00 era (approx.)

One of the smartest pitchers to ever take the mound

Still a great fielder

Consumate professional

Always stays in shape

 

Hey, when playing for a winning team (the dodgers) he put up some very respectable #'s. If he'd have us, I'd take him TODAY

 

 

 

-He had a 4.20 ERA overall, and a 4.69 ERA with the Cubs. That's bad.

 

He won't be worth whatever he costs.

 

That's not bad, that's average. He puts up similar numbers to the free agent pitchers not named Zito or Schmidt, and they all are asking for 8-10 million dollars. Do you think Maddux will sign for more than that? I doubt it.

[USSoccer]

In a second.

 

200 innings

<40 walks

combined 4.00 era (approx.)

One of the smartest pitchers to ever take the mound

Still a great fielder

Consumate professional

Always stays in shape

 

Hey, when playing for a winning team (the dodgers) he put up some very respectable #'s. If he'd have us, I'd take him TODAY

 

 

 

-He had a 4.20 ERA overall, and a 4.69 ERA with the Cubs. That's bad.

 

He won't be worth whatever he costs.

 

That's not bad, that's average. He puts up similar numbers to the free agent pitchers not named Zito or Schmidt, and they all are asking for 8-10 million dollars. Do you think Maddux will sign for more than that? I doubt it.

 

Zito and Schmidt are asking for around $12-15m per. I'd guess Maddux could get at least $6m or $7m. He's not worth that.

 

Regarding his ERA, if you take out April he had a Cub ERA well over 5. He was terrible for us. Why would you want him back when better options for a back end rotation guy are available via trade, FA or in house?

[CubColtPacer]

In a second.

 

200 innings

<40 walks

combined 4.00 era (approx.)

One of the smartest pitchers to ever take the mound

Still a great fielder

Consumate professional

Always stays in shape

 

Hey, when playing for a winning team (the dodgers) he put up some very respectable #'s. If he'd have us, I'd take him TODAY

 

 

 

-He had a 4.20 ERA overall, and a 4.69 ERA with the Cubs. That's bad.

 

He won't be worth whatever he costs.

 

That's not bad, that's average. He puts up similar numbers to the free agent pitchers not named Zito or Schmidt, and they all are asking for 8-10 million dollars. Do you think Maddux will sign for more than that? I doubt it.

 

Zito and Schmidt are asking for around $12-15m per. I'd guess Maddux could get at least $6m or $7m. He's not worth that.

 

Regarding his ERA, if you take out April he had a Cub ERA well over 5. He was terrible for us. Why would you want him back when better options for a back end rotation guy are available via trade, FA or in house?

 

What I meant is that people like Padilla, Lilly, Meche are all asking for 8-10 per. I'd much rather sign Maddux for 1/6 than sign any of them to 3/27 or 4/36. I don't know of anybody in house of the youngsters besides Rich Hill that could be likely under a 5 ERA.

Trading? Well, there's been some rumors-but none of those players are significantly better than Maddux either except Jennings who will cost way too much talent.

 

What pitchers would you want for the starting rotation, and at what prices would be better enough to Maddux to both justify the difference in salary and years?

[USSoccer]

What pitchers would you want for the starting rotation, and at what prices would be better enough to Maddux to both justify the difference in salary and years?

 

Padilla and Lilly will both be better in 2007 than Maddux will be. Westbrook, Lee and Jennings will be. Suppan will probably be. Marshall will be close. Guzman is a year stronger; he should have much better command on his change, which was his best pitch. The Miller/Prior combo will be better.

 

There's no reason to spend any signifigant money on a guy who will put up back end numbers in the rotation, regardless of the warm fuzzy feelings Cubs fans get for him.