ESPN 1000 - Cubs are going after Schmidt next

[JeffH]

Floyd has been frustrated with his many injuries - even to the point of pondering retirement.

 

He might enjoy a part-time role on a (ha!) contender.

[Mizzou]

No thanks on signing a soon to be 34 year old who's past his prime to a huge contract.

[Uber]

No thanks on signing a soon to be 34 year old who's past his prime to a huge contract.

 

I haven't seen anything to indicate a huge contract.

[Butterscup1679666578]

No thanks on signing a soon to be 34 year old who's past his prime to a huge contract.

 

I think he's still solid enough to be a good #2 guy for us. He pitches a lot of innings, and still strikes out a lot of batters. I would definitely like Schmidt on this team next year.

[JeffH]

It would be nice to get him for three years guaranteed, with a fourth year kicking in if he pitches a certain number (370 or so?) of innings in the last two of the three years.

[Mizzou]

No thanks on signing a soon to be 34 year old who's past his prime to a huge contract.

 

I haven't seen anything to indicate a huge contract.

He made 10.5M last year, and is one of the top two pitchers available in a weak class. He's going to get a huge contract.

 

I'd like to have Jason Schmidt on the Cubs next year too. But not at the cost.

[Butterscup1679666578]

No thanks on signing a soon to be 34 year old who's past his prime to a huge contract.

 

I haven't seen anything to indicate a huge contract.

He made 10.5M last year, and is one of the top two pitchers available in a weak class. He's going to get a huge contract.

 

I'd like to have Jason Schmidt on the Cubs next year too. But not at the cost.

 

Honestly, with this market it seems like even pitchers like Gil Meche and Ted Lilly are going to be making close to 8-10M a season. I'd rather fork out a couple more million and get someone like Schmidt.

[Yeti]

dont expect anything to happen here until after the BoSox and Mats work something out, this will set the bar for FA pitchers this offseason

[erik316wttn]

It would be nice to get him for three years guaranteed, with a fourth year kicking in if he pitches a certain number (370 or so?) of innings in the last two of the three years.

 

Because that worked out so well when we did it with Maddux.

[Butterscup1679666578]

It would be nice to get him for three years guaranteed, with a fourth year kicking in if he pitches a certain number (370 or so?) of innings in the last two of the three years.

 

Because that worked out so well when we did it with Maddux.

 

You know, a lot of experts would agree that Maddux and Schmidt are different pitchers.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It would be nice to get him for three years guaranteed, with a fourth year kicking in if he pitches a certain number (370 or so?) of innings in the last two of the three years.

 

Because that worked out so well when we did it with Maddux.

 

Maddux was 38 in his first year of that contract with the Cubs. Schmidt would have to sign for 5 years to make it to age 38 as a Cub.

[Guest]

No thanks on signing a soon to be 34 year old who's past his prime to a huge contract.

 

I haven't seen anything to indicate a huge contract.

He made 10.5M last year, and is one of the top two pitchers available in a weak class. He's going to get a huge contract.

 

I'd like to have Jason Schmidt on the Cubs next year too. But not at the cost.

 

I have to ask, why should I care about the cost? the only thing I care about is the marginal cost - ie the players the cubs don't get because they signed Schmidt. If the Cubs are even considering Schmidt at this point, they have obviously decided to spend whatever is necessary. Therefore, I no longer care about the cost. Schmidt is a great pitcher - I want him on the Cubs.

[Jazz]

The way I look at it, is that we are going to be the top bidders if Zito gets signed by the Yankees (hopefully they dont get crazy and try to sign both of them).

 

Right now the potential suitors are:

 

-Dodgers

-Mariners

-Giants

-Phillies

-Cubs

-Angels

 

The cubs right now, have 20-25 million to potentially work with for this upcoming season. The selling point that the Cubs could give to Schmidt though, is years and wanting to win now. After Soriano's signing, it should not only boost are talking power with Schmidt, but with all other FA's.

 

The Dodger's just signed Pierre to a 45/5 year deal. Thats a healthy chunk out of the 26 mil that they were projected to be working with after signing nomar.

 

The mariners, after losing Meche, and Pinero, have about 13-18 mil to spend depending on where there payroll is estimated. I'd guess that its going to top out at 95M, maybe a couple million less.

 

I don't think he is going to be returning to SF with the way the Bay Area papers are talking about it.

 

The Phillies are in a bad position right now, they have some money to spend, but no one to spend it on. Schmidt would aid that problem. They have about 20 million right now to work with, but that could jump up to 30 mil if they deal Burrell (which it looks like they are split on). They also might pursue FA Carlos Lee, which would take them out of this hunt all together.

 

The Angels are going to be a serious contenders for Schmidt. After losing out to us on Ramirez and Soriano, I think they will be gunning for Drew/Lee/Wells, and Schmidt. They have money to spend, and want to make a splash somewhre. Schmidt would do it for them.

 

I do like the Cubs chances though, if they pony up the years and the money. If they strike fast, and offer a deal in the neigborhood of 4/56 with a 5th year option, I think Schmidt would take it even with his statements about sticking to the coast.

[Fred Hornkohl]

No thanks on signing a soon to be 34 year old who's past his prime to a huge contract.

 

I haven't seen anything to indicate a huge contract.

He made 10.5M last year, and is one of the top two pitchers available in a weak class. He's going to get a huge contract.

 

I'd like to have Jason Schmidt on the Cubs next year too. But not at the cost.

 

I have to ask, why should I care about the cost? the only thing I care about is the marginal cost - ie the players the cubs don't get because they signed Schmidt. If the Cubs are even considering Schmidt at this point, they have obviously decided to spend whatever is necessary. Therefore, I no longer care about the cost. Schmidt is a great pitcher - I want him on the Cubs.

 

That's the opportunity cost.

[erik316wttn]

It would be nice to get him for three years guaranteed, with a fourth year kicking in if he pitches a certain number (370 or so?) of innings in the last two of the three years.

 

Because that worked out so well when we did it with Maddux.

 

You know, a lot of experts would agree that Maddux and Schmidt are different pitchers.

 

Schmidt is also on the wrong side of 30 and is nearing his inevitable career decline.

[Guest]

It would be nice to get him for three years guaranteed, with a fourth year kicking in if he pitches a certain number (370 or so?) of innings in the last two of the three years.

 

Because that worked out so well when we did it with Maddux.

 

You know, a lot of experts would agree that Maddux and Schmidt are different pitchers.

 

Schmidt is also on the wrong side of 30 and is nearing his inevitable career decline.

 

just to be clear, players don't all fall off a cliff when they turn 30.

[Guest]

No thanks on signing a soon to be 34 year old who's past his prime to a huge contract.

 

I haven't seen anything to indicate a huge contract.

He made 10.5M last year, and is one of the top two pitchers available in a weak class. He's going to get a huge contract.

 

I'd like to have Jason Schmidt on the Cubs next year too. But not at the cost.

 

I have to ask, why should I care about the cost? the only thing I care about is the marginal cost - ie the players the cubs don't get because they signed Schmidt. If the Cubs are even considering Schmidt at this point, they have obviously decided to spend whatever is necessary. Therefore, I no longer care about the cost. Schmidt is a great pitcher - I want him on the Cubs.

 

That's the opportunity cost.

 

sure whatever! :D

[David]

It would be nice to get him for three years guaranteed, with a fourth year kicking in if he pitches a certain number (370 or so?) of innings in the last two of the three years.

 

Because that worked out so well when we did it with Maddux.

 

You know, a lot of experts would agree that Maddux and Schmidt are different pitchers.

 

Schmidt is also on the wrong side of 30 and is nearing his inevitable career decline.

 

He's not nearly as far on that side of the scale as Maddux.

 

Also, I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like pitchers take as steep a decline heading into their 30's as hitters do.

[Careless]

dont expect anything to happen here until after the BoSox and Mats work something out, this will set the bar for FA pitchers this offseason

Why? he's not a FA, the red sox have him over a barrel.

that situation is too disconnected to make a big impact, I'd think

[Yeti]

dont expect anything to happen here until after the BoSox and Mats work something out, this will set the bar for FA pitchers this offseason

Why? he's not a FA, the red sox have him over a barrel.

that situation is too disconnected to make a big impact, I'd think

why would a FA sign a deal when there is someone out there that plays the same position and is on a deadline to get a deal done? obviously we cant look at what Mats signs for and equate it to what the market will bear, but it will give a general ballpark range. adding Mats posting price to the total deal he recieves and dividing by years is where i'd expect the bidding to begin for my services, if i were Schmidt. yes the sox have him over a barrel, but when you consider that they have already commited 50+ million to sign him, the Sox are going to be paying alot/year to retain his services. as an established front line starter, Schmidt would be a fool to take less...i dont see him signing anywhere till the other deal(Sox/Mats) is done

[WrigleyField 22]

dont expect anything to happen here until after the BoSox and Mats work something out, this will set the bar for FA pitchers this offseason

Why? he's not a FA, the red sox have him over a barrel.

that situation is too disconnected to make a big impact, I'd think

why would a FA sign a deal when there is someone out there that plays the same position and is on a deadline to get a deal done? obviously we cant look at what Mats signs for and equate it to what the market will bear, but it will give a general ballpark range. adding Mats posting price to the total deal he recieves and dividing by years is where i'd expect the bidding to begin for my services, if i were Schmidt. yes the sox have him over a barrel, but when you consider that they have already commited 50+ million to sign him, the Sox are going to be paying alot/year to retain his services. as an established front line starter, Schmidt would be a fool to take less...i dont see him signing anywhere till the other deal(Sox/Mats) is done

 

Well if the bid and contract really were setting the table:

51 Mil plus $10Mil year?

3 yrs 81 = 27 M/year

4 yrs 91 = 22.75 M/year

5 yrs 101 = 20.2 M/year

According to you, the bidding starts there.

 

If thats setting the table this market market has gone crazy and Soriano is a steal.

[cubweiser03]

How many more Brinks trucks do the Cubs have left? Park one in Schmidts driveway and leave the keys under the door mat with a tag "Theres more of this at the corner of Sheffield and Addison in Chicago IL."

[Yeti]

dont expect anything to happen here until after the BoSox and Mats work something out, this will set the bar for FA pitchers this offseason

Why? he's not a FA, the red sox have him over a barrel.

that situation is too disconnected to make a big impact, I'd think

why would a FA sign a deal when there is someone out there that plays the same position and is on a deadline to get a deal done? obviously we cant look at what Mats signs for and equate it to what the market will bear, but it will give a general ballpark range. adding Mats posting price to the total deal he recieves and dividing by years is where i'd expect the bidding to begin for my services, if i were Schmidt. yes the sox have him over a barrel, but when you consider that they have already commited 50+ million to sign him, the Sox are going to be paying alot/year to retain his services. as an established front line starter, Schmidt would be a fool to take less...i dont see him signing anywhere till the other deal(Sox/Mats) is done

 

Well if the bid and contract really were setting the table:

51 Mil plus $10Mil year?

3 yrs 81 = 27 M/year

4 yrs 91 = 22.75 M/year

5 yrs 101 = 20.2 M/year

According to you, the bidding starts there.

 

If thats setting the table this market market has gone crazy and Soriano is a steal.

DING DING DING DING we have a winner!!!!

 

EDIT...maybe thats not where the bidding starts, but if im a proven front of the rotation pitcher, i want to see how that shakes out b4 i even begin to entertain suitors

Edited November 21, 2006 by Yeti

[SoonerCubFan]

Who would you prefer as your 4th outfielder/pinch hitter extroidinare, Freddy Bynum or Cliff Floyd?

 

He's not gonna want to sign as a 4th OF or pinch hitter.

 

Well, if we actually do land him I expect it's to be the primary LF in a platoon with Murton, which may be quite acceptable to him at this stage since he's about 200 points higher OPS-wise against RHPs and has a tendency to fall off after the All Star break. Seems like a good way to make LF and the bench more productive in one move - just another piece in the overall puzzle.

[A New Era]

How many more Brinks trucks do the Cubs have left? Park one in Schmidts driveway and leave the keys under the door mat with a tag "Theres more of this at the corner of Sheffield and Addison in Chicago IL."

 

Hahahaha ha. :lol:

 

Do it Jim.