Cubs sign Soriano

[Mephistopheles]

I dunno about you guys, but I didn't see anything about the Red Sox interested in Soriano, but I did see them looking at Lugo and Drew.

[Guest]

Now we're up to fifth highest. :D

 

It's passed the Matsuzaka thread.

I actually meant the hits for the day.

[Sarcastic]

Now we're up to fifth highest. :D

 

It's passed the Matsuzaka thread.

I actually meant the hits for the day.

 

Hits, posts, whatever. The important thing is that I don't look like I wasn't paying attention to the discussion. :x

[CardsFanInChiTown]

The key questions so far...

 

1) Are there options? Are they player or team options?

2) Can he handle CF?

3) Is there a NTC?

[CUBZ99]

Sorianos a 40/40 player.hes more versatile,less fragile.Drew does have a much better obp. Whether you or I feel that hes the best FA out there,thats how hes regarded.

 

uh somewhere in this thread theres a point i made where 122 games of JD Drew is a heck of a lot better than 162 games of Soriano in CF.

 

Unfortunately, you failed to provide any facts to support your argument. Last year 162 games of Soriano was >>> than J.D. Drew. I think we need to stop assuming that age automatically equals decline in production. Soriano is only 30 years old. It is possible that he can continue his better numbers over the next few years.

Hahahaha...that's a completely ridiculous claim if you've read the whole thread. KC has provided a ton of facts to back up his case. There's still room to disagree with his case and provide facts to counter it, but he has provided a lot of factual information to back his opinion. To claim otherwise is to disrespect the work he has done here and lower your own credibility.

 

Sorry, I'm trying to keep up with the whole thread. Look no further than last year when they both played the whole season and I would take Soriano's numbers over Drew's any day of the week.

 

Looking no further than one year is gonna screw you over mor often than not.

 

2 of the last 4 years Drew has played 100 or less games.

 

 

2003

 

Drew 100 games 15 HR 42 RBI .886 OPS

 

Soriano 38HR 91 RBI .863 OPS

 

2005

 

Drew 15 HR 36 RBI .932 OPS

 

Soriano 36 HR 104 RBI .821 OPS

 

 

Cleary more games with Soriano is much more productive than less games with Drew.

[VanceJergins]

I dunno about you guys, but I didn't see anything about the Red Sox interested in Soriano, but I did see them looking at Lugo and Drew.

 

Only because Theo knew all 32 GMs wanted Soriano so he just decided to go with plan B.

[USSoccer]

Now we're up to fifth highest. :D

 

It's passed the Matsuzaka thread.

I actually meant the hits for the day.

 

Just wait until contract details are confirmed.

 

This thread is going to be top 3 easy.

[CUBZ99]

Admittedly I didn't read all 78 pages of this thread so excuse me if this has been discussed but does anyone think the Cubs might move Soriano to the middle of the order? Sure seems like a waste to me to have a guy with 46 homers hitting leadoff.

 

There have been a few sources say the Cubs got him wanting him to bat leadoff. Also, his stats seem to show he's more comfortable and performs better batting leadoff.

 

Didn't Bruce say he'd be leading off?

 

All I remember Bruce saying today is that he'll be playing RF, which is different than what we'd been hearing, so maybe his spot in the order will change too....But Bruce might have said that.

 

Yes, Bruce said he would lead off.

[VanceJergins]

The key questions so far...

 

1) Are there options? Are they player or team options?

2) Can he handle CF?

3) Is there a NTC?

 

For #2, the Honorable Bruce Miles said with some certainty that he would be playing RF.

[Rob]

Sorianos a 40/40 player.hes more versatile,less fragile.Drew does have a much better obp. Whether you or I feel that hes the best FA out there,thats how hes regarded.

 

uh somewhere in this thread theres a point i made where 122 games of JD Drew is a heck of a lot better than 162 games of Soriano in CF.

 

Unfortunately, you failed to provide any facts to support your argument. Last year 162 games of Soriano was >>> than J.D. Drew. I think we need to stop assuming that age automatically equals decline in production. Soriano is only 30 years old. It is possible that he can continue his better numbers over the next few years.

Hahahaha...that's a completely ridiculous claim if you've read the whole thread. KC has provided a ton of facts to back up his case. There's still room to disagree with his case and provide facts to counter it, but he has provided a lot of factual information to back his opinion. To claim otherwise is to disrespect the work he has done here and lower your own credibility.

 

Sorry, I'm trying to keep up with the whole thread. Look no further than last year when they both played the whole season and I would take Soriano's numbers over Drew's any day of the week.

 

Looking no further than one year is gonna screw you over mor often than not.

 

2 of the last 4 years Drew has played 100 or less games.

 

 

2003

 

Drew 100 games 15 HR 42 RBI .886 OPS

 

Soriano 38HR 91 RBI .863 OPS

 

2005

 

Drew 15 HR 36 RBI .932 OPS

 

Soriano 36 HR 104 RBI .821 OPS

 

 

Cleary more games with Soriano is much more productive than less games with Drew.

 

What happened to 2004? :lol:

[Andy]

The key questions so far...

 

1) Are there options? Are they player or team options?

2) Can he handle CF?

3) Is there a NTC?

1) From what we can tell there are options for either 2 or 3 years.

2) We'll never know because he's going to play RF.

3) Indications are that he has an NTC for the first 5 years (then he's a 10/5 player so he'd have no-trade protection anyway)

[CUBZ99]

Sorianos a 40/40 player.hes more versatile,less fragile.Drew does have a much better obp. Whether you or I feel that hes the best FA out there,thats how hes regarded.

 

uh somewhere in this thread theres a point i made where 122 games of JD Drew is a heck of a lot better than 162 games of Soriano in CF.

 

Unfortunately, you failed to provide any facts to support your argument. Last year 162 games of Soriano was >>> than J.D. Drew. I think we need to stop assuming that age automatically equals decline in production. Soriano is only 30 years old. It is possible that he can continue his better numbers over the next few years.

Hahahaha...that's a completely ridiculous claim if you've read the whole thread. KC has provided a ton of facts to back up his case. There's still room to disagree with his case and provide facts to counter it, but he has provided a lot of factual information to back his opinion. To claim otherwise is to disrespect the work he has done here and lower your own credibility.

 

Sorry, I'm trying to keep up with the whole thread. Look no further than last year when they both played the whole season and I would take Soriano's numbers over Drew's any day of the week.

 

Screw the arguement, I will take them both and never compare them to each other again.

Preach it.

 

I agree, I would love to have them both.

[Guest]

Now we're up to fifth highest. :D

 

It's passed the Matsuzaka thread.

I actually meant the hits for the day.

 

Just wait until contract details are confirmed.

 

This thread is going to be top 3 easy.

There are also a number of people who only come to NSBB during the weekdays.

[nilodnayr]

Unfortunately, you failed to provide any facts to support your argument. Last year 162 games of Soriano was >>> than J.D. Drew. I think we need to stop assuming that age automatically equals decline in production. Soriano is only 30 years old. It is possible that he can continue his better numbers over the next few years.

 

I didn't assume a decline. You're right I didn't use EqA to justify my claims. Oh wait...

 

At some point we have to look beyond the stats. I don't care what they say, only having a player 2/3 of the season a a premium price isn't acceptable. The you start dealing with unknowns like when the player is going to be injured, which part of the season will you be missing your high-priced production. The stretch run, the playoffs?

 

being risk adverse won't help you win in the playoffs.

 

Would it then be fair to assess the expected CPIB (consumer price index of baseballplayers) to be about 4.5%? My excel is broke, but using that, could some one create a present value of the last few years of Sorianos contract assuming no money deferred and its not front or back weighted? Off the top of my head I would say in the last few years, his contract will be the equivalent of about 13M/year. So then the question is, do you think Sori will be as good then as Sheff is now. Its an interesting way of looking at things. Of course that would mean that Sori would actually have to improve.

 

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Woohoo, my brain is as smart as Excel!!!! Seriously, life and especially work is debilitating without Excel. God, that is nerdy.

[VanceJergins]

Admittedly I didn't read all 78 pages of this thread so excuse me if this has been discussed but does anyone think the Cubs might move Soriano to the middle of the order? Sure seems like a waste to me to have a guy with 46 homers hitting leadoff.

 

There have been a few sources say the Cubs got him wanting him to bat leadoff. Also, his stats seem to show he's more comfortable and performs better batting leadoff.

 

Didn't Bruce say he'd be leading off?

 

All I remember Bruce saying today is that he'll be playing RF, which is different than what we'd been hearing, so maybe his spot in the order will change too....But Bruce might have said that.

 

Yes, Bruce said he would lead off.

 

Well just rub it my face then, jerk. =;

[USSoccer]

Now we're up to fifth highest. :D

 

It's passed the Matsuzaka thread.

I actually meant the hits for the day.

 

Just wait until contract details are confirmed.

 

This thread is going to be top 3 easy.

There are also a number of people who only come to NSBB during the weekdays.

 

Yeah. Goony hasn't even seen this yet.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

The key questions so far...

 

1) Are there options? Are they player or team options?

2) Can he handle CF?

3) Is there a NTC?

 

For #2, the Honorable Bruce Miles said with some certainty that he would be playing RF.

 

Are they committed to J. Jones in CF or is that just smoke and mirrors?

 

Sorry if this has been discussed. Heh, considering the thread size I'm sure it has.

[CUBZ99]

The key questions so far...

 

1) Are there options? Are they player or team options?

2) Can he handle CF?

3) Is there a NTC?

 

For #2, the Honorable Bruce Miles said with some certainty that he would be playing RF.

 

Are they committed to J. Jones in CF or is that just smoke and mirrors?

 

Sorry if this has been discussed. Heh, considering the thread size I'm sure it has.

 

I posted this before, but Kaplan said on SportsCentral last week that Hendry loved Murton, but he was almost certain that Jones would not be with the team in Spring Training.

[FergieJ31]

Like someone said, worst ... deal ... ever. I hate this deal so much. The ONE time the Cubs pull out all the stops for a big name, it had to be friggin Soriano. Why couldn't they do this for Beltran or Vlad? Or JD (with $ to spare) this winter?

 

Seriosuly, how is Soriano not = Jock with a little more speed and a paltry 0.050 extra slugging? That's it, it's the only diff. Both are butchers in the field. True, Fonzie will hit about 35 dingers in Chicago ... hitting LEADOFF by all accounts. Once again the Cubs will lead MLB in 1-run homers.

 

Jock gets a 3/16 deal that was generally panned by people here on NSBB. And now Fonzie gets 8/136 ... I'm astonished there isn't more bafflement and disgust here.

[b_wiggy_66]

Now we're up to fifth highest. :D

 

It's passed the Matsuzaka thread.

I actually meant the hits for the day.

 

Just wait until contract details are confirmed.

 

This thread is going to be top 3 easy.

There are also a number of people who only come to NSBB during the weekdays.

 

Yeah. Goony hasn't even seen this yet.

 

 

Add another 30 pages on from him :lol:

Edited November 20, 2006 by b_wiggy_66

[VanceJergins]

The key questions so far...

 

1) Are there options? Are they player or team options?

2) Can he handle CF?

3) Is there a NTC?

 

For #2, the Honorable Bruce Miles said with some certainty that he would be playing RF.

 

Are they committed to J. Jones in CF or is that just smoke and mirrors?

 

Sorry if this has been discussed. Heh, considering the thread size I'm sure it has.

 

This is mostly speculation, but I see very little chance that Jones is a Cub next year.

[treebird]

ok guys im finally caught up and ready to fight (sorry it took me so long)

 

i hate soriano because he is ugly WHO WANTS TO DISAGREE

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

The key questions so far...

 

1) Are there options? Are they player or team options?

2) Can he handle CF?

3) Is there a NTC?

 

For #2, the Honorable Bruce Miles said with some certainty that he would be playing RF.

 

Are they committed to J. Jones in CF or is that just smoke and mirrors?

 

Sorry if this has been discussed. Heh, considering the thread size I'm sure it has.

 

I am going out on a limb that Hendry finds another checkbook and signs Drew as well...

[Monco]

If Sorianos playing right and leading off,who will be in center?

[Guest]

The key questions so far...

 

1) Are there options? Are they player or team options?

2) Can he handle CF?

3) Is there a NTC?

 

For #2, the Honorable Bruce Miles said with some certainty that he would be playing RF.

 

Are they committed to J. Jones in CF or is that just smoke and mirrors?

 

Sorry if this has been discussed. Heh, considering the thread size I'm sure it has.

Speculation is that he'll be traded (as per his rumored request/desire) and someone else will be still sought for CF. In fact, Sweet Lou said on the radio that they're still looking for someone for CF.