Cubs sign Soriano

[Mephistopheles]

Unfortunately, you failed to provide any facts to support your argument. Last year 162 games of Soriano was >>> than J.D. Drew. I think we need to stop assuming that age automatically equals decline in production. Soriano is only 30 years old. It is possible that he can continue his better numbers over the next few years.

 

I didn't assume a decline. You're right I didn't use EqA to justify my claims. Oh wait...

 

At some point we have to look beyond the stats. I don't care what they say, only having a player 2/3 of the season a a premium price isn't acceptable. The you start dealing with unknowns like when the player is going to be injured, which part of the season will you be missing your high-priced production. The stretch run, the playoffs?

 

being risk adverse won't help you win in the playoffs.

 

Would it then be fair to assess the expected CPIB (consumer price index of baseballplayers) to be about 4.5%? My excel is broke, but using that, could some one create a present value of the last few years of Sorianos contract assuming no money deferred and its not front or back weighted? Off the top of my head I would say in the last few years, his contract will be the equivalent of about 13M/year. So then the question is, do you think Sori will be as good then as Sheff is now. Its an interesting way of looking at things. Of course that would mean that Sori would actually have to improve.

 

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Edited November 20, 2006 by Mephistopheles

[CUBZ99]

Sorianos a 40/40 player.hes more versatile,less fragile.Drew does have a much better obp. Whether you or I feel that hes the best FA out there,thats how hes regarded.

 

uh somewhere in this thread theres a point i made where 122 games of JD Drew is a heck of a lot better than 162 games of Soriano in CF.

 

Unfortunately, you failed to provide any facts to support your argument. Last year 162 games of Soriano was >>> than J.D. Drew. I think we need to stop assuming that age automatically equals decline in production. Soriano is only 30 years old. It is possible that he can continue his better numbers over the next few years.

Hahahaha...that's a completely ridiculous claim if you've read the whole thread. KC has provided a ton of facts to back up his case. There's still room to disagree with his case and provide facts to counter it, but he has provided a lot of factual information to back his opinion. To claim otherwise is to disrespect the work he has done here and lower your own credibility.

 

Sorry, I'm trying to keep up with the whole thread. Look no further than last year when they both played the whole season and I would take Soriano's numbers over Drew's any day of the week.

[VanceJergins]

Kinda off topic. I am not a huge fan of this signing to be honest, but it is certainly a step in the right direction. For the first time since April, I have not had complete and utter pessimism and negativity towards the Cubs. It kinda feels good :)

 

(by the way, I did NOT say I was optimistic yet )

 

Keep drinking the kool-aid, sheep!

[Guest]

In other news...

 

This is now the eighth biggest days for page views since my oldest daily records in December 2004.

 

Do you know of the top of your head what the longest NSBB thread is/was?

Nope. But I can look up the longest threads in the past 12 months. :D

 

1) Word Association - 2608 replies

2) Opening day 2006 - 1729

3) Official world cup thread - 1715

4) Ramirez foregoes FA - 1641

5) The 2005-2006 Bulls thread - 1639

[nilodnayr]

Well...it's an idea to think about.

 

You'll have to forgive me for not thinking. Between the two papers I'm simultaneously writing while trying to keep up with this the Soriano stuff, my head is fried.

 

On a side note, I might be the only person here who's read every single post in this thread.

 

I have...and its really hard to do it while posting as well.

[shnsajax]

Sorianos a 40/40 player.hes more versatile,less fragile.Drew does have a much better obp. Whether you or I feel that hes the best FA out there,thats how hes regarded.

 

uh somewhere in this thread theres a point i made where 122 games of JD Drew is a heck of a lot better than 162 games of Soriano in CF.

 

Unfortunately, you failed to provide any facts to support your argument. Last year 162 games of Soriano was >>> than J.D. Drew. I think we need to stop assuming that age automatically equals decline in production. Soriano is only 30 years old. It is possible that he can continue his better numbers over the next few years.

Hahahaha...that's a completely ridiculous claim if you've read the whole thread. KC has provided a ton of facts to back up his case. There's still room to disagree with his case and provide facts to counter it, but he has provided a lot of factual information to back his opinion. To claim otherwise is to disrespect the work he has done here and lower your own credibility.

 

Sorry, I'm trying to keep up with the whole thread. Look no further than last year when they both played the whole season and I would take Soriano's numbers over Drew's any day of the week.

 

Screw the arguement, I will take them both and never compare them to each other again.

[WrigleyField 22]

Sorianos a 40/40 player.hes more versatile,less fragile.Drew does have a much better obp. Whether you or I feel that hes the best FA out there,thats how hes regarded.

 

uh somewhere in this thread theres a point i made where 122 games of JD Drew is a heck of a lot better than 162 games of Soriano in CF.

 

Unfortunately, you failed to provide any facts to support your argument. Last year 162 games of Soriano was >>> than J.D. Drew. I think we need to stop assuming that age automatically equals decline in production. Soriano is only 30 years old. It is possible that he can continue his better numbers over the next few years.

Hahahaha...that's a completely ridiculous claim if you've read the whole thread. KC has provided a ton of facts to back up his case. There's still room to disagree with his case and provide facts to counter it, but he has provided a lot of factual information to back his opinion. To claim otherwise is to disrespect the work he has done here and lower your own credibility.

 

Sorry, I'm trying to keep up with the whole thread. Look no further than last year when they both played the whole season and I would take Soriano's numbers over Drew's any day of the week.

 

Looking no further than one year is gonna screw you over mor often than not.

[Mephistopheles]

You can like up all of the GM's in baseball, and if you provided them a choice

of Drew for 122 games, or Soriono for 162 games, they will take Soriono for 162...all of them.

 

Are you sure JP Ricciardi, Theo Epstein, Billy Beane or Paul DePodesta would? How about Jon Daniels or Chris Antonetti?

 

It's funny because all the other GMs spit out RBI as a credible statistic, which when it was first invented in early 1900s the writers, players and GMs (or whatever they called themselves then) thought it was utterly stupid.

[Mizzou]

Dumbest signing ever.

 

A high K, low OBP, bad defensive player. YES!!

 

But he's got power!! And he's FAST!!

 

He's also 32, has exactly one very good season, and appearantly whiny as hell.

 

And EIGHT YEARS?

 

I can't believe I just found out about this, I hadn't been able to listen to the radio or watch TV all day. This is disgusting news to me though. Nice job overpaying a player who is probably not even close to worth his contract. Nice job Hendry.

 

Meanwhile the high OBP, good defense, power hitting lefty who could also handle center and less than half of Soriano's price can sit out there. GREAT!

I rarely use this, because it adds next to nothing to the discussion, but... :roll:

[UMFan83]

Kinda off topic. I am not a huge fan of this signing to be honest, but it is certainly a step in the right direction. For the first time since April, I have not had complete and utter pessimism and negativity towards the Cubs. It kinda feels good :)

 

(by the way, I did NOT say I was optimistic yet )

 

Keep drinking the kool-aid, sheep!

 

Well c'mon, I am one of the ones that knows our money is best spent in 1 milllion different placecs. I know what his OPS+ was in 2004 and 2005. I am just saying...at least we're not making Sosa for Hairston lateral moves anymore.

[nilodnayr]

There is a reason he will be on his 4th team in 5 years.

 

Because he chose to opt out of his contract?

 

Thats the reason I see.

 

What about the other two? Listen, I know Drew is easily more productive than Sori when on the field, but even Kerry Wood strung together a full few seasons. I'm far from convinced Drew's DL days are behind him.

 

I think giving Drew 3-5 guranteed years at the same price as Lee or Ramirez is at least as high on the lunacy scale as giving Sori 8/136.

Doesn't that just prove that there are lots of teams out there that want him? Its not like hes getting put on waivers or non-tendered.

[Monco]

They're saying in the Carlos Lee post that Soriano will be playing right.

[CoolHandLuke]

You can like up all of the GM's in baseball, and if you provided them a choice

of Drew for 122 games, or Soriono for 162 games, they will take Soriono for 162...all of them.

 

Are you sure JP Ricciardi, Theo Epstein, Billy Beane or Paul DePodesta would? How about Jon Daniels or Chris Antonetti?

 

It's funny because all the other GMs spit out RBI as a credible statistic, which when it was first invented in early 1900s the writers, players and GMs (or whatever they called themselves then) thought it was utterly stupid.

 

I don't think he would be in the lineup. :lol:

[Rob]

There is a reason he will be on his 4th team in 5 years.

 

Drew

 

2003 - Cardinals

2004 - Braves

2005 - Dodgers

2006 - Dodgers

2007 - ?

 

 

Soriano

 

2003 - Yankees

2004 - Rangers

2005 - Rangers

2006 - Nationals

2007 - Cubs

 

Seems like they're both about to be on their 4th team in 5 years.

 

Best.

 

Post.

 

Ever.

 

AlphonsOWNED

 

I'd take a bow and all, but... you know... the internet.

 

At any rate, it's fun to use statistics that can't be argued against.

[UMFan83]

You can like up all of the GM's in baseball, and if you provided them a choice

of Drew for 122 games, or Soriono for 162 games, they will take Soriono for 162...all of them.

 

Are you sure JP Ricciardi, Theo Epstein, Billy Beane or Paul DePodesta would? How about Jon Daniels or Chris Antonetti?

 

It's funny because all the other GMs spit out RBI as a credible statistic, which when it was first invented in early 1900s the writers, players and GMs (or whatever they called themselves then) thought it was utterly stupid.

 

Exactly, I think a lot of GMs that value what Drew brings to the game would take him over Soriano for 40 less games

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

someone think of a good nickname for alfonso besides the obvious ones.

I'm gonna stick with the classic Fonzie.

 

Can I borrow the one Billy Beane once gave Tejada?

[Andy]

Sorianos a 40/40 player.hes more versatile,less fragile.Drew does have a much better obp. Whether you or I feel that hes the best FA out there,thats how hes regarded.

 

uh somewhere in this thread theres a point i made where 122 games of JD Drew is a heck of a lot better than 162 games of Soriano in CF.

 

Unfortunately, you failed to provide any facts to support your argument. Last year 162 games of Soriano was >>> than J.D. Drew. I think we need to stop assuming that age automatically equals decline in production. Soriano is only 30 years old. It is possible that he can continue his better numbers over the next few years.

Hahahaha...that's a completely ridiculous claim if you've read the whole thread. KC has provided a ton of facts to back up his case. There's still room to disagree with his case and provide facts to counter it, but he has provided a lot of factual information to back his opinion. To claim otherwise is to disrespect the work he has done here and lower your own credibility.

 

Sorry, I'm trying to keep up with the whole thread. Look no further than last year when they both played the whole season and I would take Soriano's numbers over Drew's any day of the week.

 

Screw the arguement, I will take them both and never compare them to each other again.

Preach it.

[VanceJergins]

Kinda off topic. I am not a huge fan of this signing to be honest, but it is certainly a step in the right direction. For the first time since April, I have not had complete and utter pessimism and negativity towards the Cubs. It kinda feels good :)

 

(by the way, I did NOT say I was optimistic yet )

 

Keep drinking the kool-aid, sheep!

 

Well c'mon, I am one of the ones that knows our money is best spent in 1 milllion different placecs. I know what his OPS+ was in 2004 and 2005. I am just saying...at least we're not making Sosa for Hairston lateral moves anymore.

 

KOOL-AID!!!! YOU DRINK KOOL-AID!!!!......I'm so starved for attention.

[nilodnayr]

Admittedly I didn't read all 78 pages of this thread so excuse me if this has been discussed but does anyone think the Cubs might move Soriano to the middle of the order? Sure seems like a waste to me to have a guy with 46 homers hitting leadoff.

 

There have been a few sources say the Cubs got him wanting him to bat leadoff. Also, his stats seem to show he's more comfortable and performs better batting leadoff.

 

Didn't Bruce say he'd be leading off?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Sorianos a 40/40 player.hes more versatile,less fragile.Drew does have a much better obp. Whether you or I feel that hes the best FA out there,thats how hes regarded.

 

uh somewhere in this thread theres a point i made where 122 games of JD Drew is a heck of a lot better than 162 games of Soriano in CF.

 

You can like up all of the GM's in baseball, and if you provided them a choice

of Drew for 122 games, or Soriono for 162 games, they will take Soriono for 162...all of them.

 

Anyone think that maybe Theo Epstein wouldn't agree....

[Soriano12]

Sorianos a 40/40 player.hes more versatile,less fragile.Drew does have a much better obp. Whether you or I feel that hes the best FA out there,thats how hes regarded.

 

uh somewhere in this thread theres a point i made where 122 games of JD Drew is a heck of a lot better than 162 games of Soriano in CF.

 

You can like up all of the GM's in baseball, and if you provided them a choice

of Drew for 122 games, or Soriono for 162 games, they will take Soriono for 162...all of them.

 

Anyone think that maybe Theo Epstein wouldn't agree....

 

are salaries considered equal?

[Guest]

Now we're up to fifth highest. :D

[VanceJergins]

Admittedly I didn't read all 78 pages of this thread so excuse me if this has been discussed but does anyone think the Cubs might move Soriano to the middle of the order? Sure seems like a waste to me to have a guy with 46 homers hitting leadoff.

 

There have been a few sources say the Cubs got him wanting him to bat leadoff. Also, his stats seem to show he's more comfortable and performs better batting leadoff.

 

Didn't Bruce say he'd be leading off?

 

All I remember Bruce saying today is that he'll be playing RF, which is different than what we'd been hearing, so maybe his spot in the order will change too....But Bruce might have said that.

[Sarcastic]

Now we're up to fifth highest. :D

 

It has passed the Matsuzaka thread.

Edited November 20, 2006 by Sarcastic

[nilodnayr]

Sorianos a 40/40 player.hes more versatile,less fragile.Drew does have a much better obp. Whether you or I feel that hes the best FA out there,thats how hes regarded.

 

uh somewhere in this thread theres a point i made where 122 games of JD Drew is a heck of a lot better than 162 games of Soriano in CF.

 

You can like up all of the GM's in baseball, and if you provided them a choice

of Drew for 122 games, or Soriono for 162 games, they will take Soriono for 162...all of them.

 

I know of 3 at the very least that wouldn't.