Cubs still pursuing Lugo.

[A New Era]

How about we get SP before we go spending oh ~$20 mil on players like Lugo, Kearns, Church. We don't have an unlimted budget people. We need to get 2 pitchers before we even worry about who else to get offensively.

 

DING DING DING DING DING!!!

[goonys evil twin]

Lugo in CF until Pie is ready, then switching back to short would be OK by me.

 

I'm on board with that idea. I just took a look at the potential free agent shortstops after the 2007 season. The list isn't pretty:

 

 

ARod could opt out.

[HoopsCubs]

Lugo in CF until Pie is ready, then switching back to short would be OK by me.

 

I'm on board with that idea. I just took a look at the potential free agent shortstops after the 2007 season. The list isn't pretty:

 

 

ARod could opt out.

 

True. But it would be tough for him to walk away from a guaranteed 3 years and $81M, don't you think?

[XZero771679666304]

Lugo in CF until Pie is ready, then switching back to short would be OK by me.

 

I'm on board with that idea. I just took a look at the potential free agent shortstops after the 2007 season. The list isn't pretty:

 

 

ARod could opt out.

 

True. But it would be tough for him to walk away from a guaranteed 3 years and $81M, don't you think?

 

Depends on how miserable the Yanks fans/NY media make him this year.

[goonys evil twin]

Lugo in CF until Pie is ready, then switching back to short would be OK by me.

 

I'm on board with that idea. I just took a look at the potential free agent shortstops after the 2007 season. The list isn't pretty:

 

 

ARod could opt out.

 

True. But it would be tough for him to walk away from a guaranteed 3 years and $81M, don't you think?

 

Depends on how miserable the Yanks fans/NY media make him this year.

 

If the market moves in the same direction, he could sign a 5/125 next offseason.

[Rob]

Lugo in CF until Pie is ready, then switching back to short would be OK by me.

 

I'm on board with that idea. I just took a look at the potential free agent shortstops after the 2007 season. The list isn't pretty:

 

 

ARod could opt out.

 

He can only opt out if he's making less than one million more than the next-highest paid player. Failing at that, the Yankees have the option to up his contract by eight mil per year to secure his rights.

 

In other words, if the market moves to the point people are within a mil of his salary, the yankees are gonna think it's worthwhile to use their salary escalation clause to retain him.

 

ARod can't opt out.

[VanceJergins]

How about we get SP before we go spending oh ~$20 mil on players like Lugo, Kearns, Church. We don't have an unlimted budget people. We need to get 2 pitchers before we even worry about who else to get offensively.

 

DING DING DING DING DING!!!

 

Kearns will probably only make about 2 million next year, and Church under 1.

[goonys evil twin]

He can only opt out if he's making less than one million more than the next-highest paid player. Failing at that, the Yankees have the option to up his contract by eight mil per year to secure his rights.

 

In other words, if the market moves to the point people are within a mil of his salary, the yankees are gonna think it's worthwhile to use their salary escalation clause to retain him.

 

ARod can't opt out.

 

You are assuming the Yankees are dying to keep him. That's a bold assumption.

[Rob]

He can only opt out if he's making less than one million more than the next-highest paid player. Failing at that, the Yankees have the option to up his contract by eight mil per year to secure his rights.

 

In other words, if the market moves to the point people are within a mil of his salary, the yankees are gonna think it's worthwhile to use their salary escalation clause to retain him.

 

ARod can't opt out.

 

You are assuming the Yankees are dying to keep him. That's a bold assumption.

 

A rather safe one, as well.

 

The Yankees aren't stupid.

[FergieJ31]

How about we get SP before we go spending oh ~$20 mil on players like Lugo, Kearns, Church. We don't have an unlimted budget people. We need to get 2 pitchers before we even worry about who else to get offensively.

 

DING DING DING DING DING!!!

 

Kearns will probably only make about 2 million next year, and Church under 1.

 

DING DING DING DING DING

 

( DING only works if you DING someone else )

[XZero771679666304]

He can only opt out if he's making less than one million more than the next-highest paid player. Failing at that, the Yankees have the option to up his contract by eight mil per year to secure his rights.

 

In other words, if the market moves to the point people are within a mil of his salary, the yankees are gonna think it's worthwhile to use their salary escalation clause to retain him.

 

ARod can't opt out.

 

You are assuming the Yankees are dying to keep him. That's a bold assumption.

 

A rather safe one, as well.

 

The Yankees aren't stupid.

All that has to happen is for King George to get impulsive when he gets irritated with ARod. I don't think the assumption is that safe at all.

[Rob]

How about we get SP before we go spending oh ~$20 mil on players like Lugo, Kearns, Church. We don't have an unlimted budget people. We need to get 2 pitchers before we even worry about who else to get offensively.

 

Lugo is a much larger upgrade over Izturis than guys like Meche, Batista, and Marquis would be over Guzman/Marshall/Mateo/Marmol.

 

Why wouldn't we want to spend the money where it would help us most?

[XZero771679666304]

How about we get SP before we go spending oh ~$20 mil on players like Lugo, Kearns, Church. We don't have an unlimted budget people. We need to get 2 pitchers before we even worry about who else to get offensively.

 

Lugo is a much larger upgrade over Izturis than guys like Meche, Batista, and Marquis would be over Guzman/Marshall/Mateo/Marmol.

 

Why wouldn't we want to spend the money where it would help us most?

 

I don't know why people keep talking about Guzman like he is a rotation possibility. Has he looked anything like a ML starter at any point in the past couple years? Not that I've seen.

 

I hope I am proven wrong, but I think the Gooz is cooked.

[VanceJergins]

How about we get SP before we go spending oh ~$20 mil on players like Lugo, Kearns, Church. We don't have an unlimted budget people. We need to get 2 pitchers before we even worry about who else to get offensively.

 

Lugo is a much larger upgrade over Izturis than guys like Meche, Batista, and Marquis would be over Guzman/Marshall/Mateo/Marmol.

 

Why wouldn't we want to spend the money where it would help us most?

 

I don't know why people keep talking about Guzman like he is a rotation possibility. Has he looked anything like a ML starter at any point in the past couple years? Not that I've seen.

 

I hope I am proven wrong, but I think the Gooz is cooked.

 

Last year was his first full year back after being injured for awhile...I'll give him this season before I count him out.

[goonys evil twin]

I hope I am proven wrong, but I think the Gooz is cooked.

 

Last year was his first full year back after being injured for awhile...I'll give him this season before I count him out.

 

I would neither count him out, nor count on him.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

( DING only works if you DING someone else )

 

Hehehehe.

[Rob]

How about we get SP before we go spending oh ~$20 mil on players like Lugo, Kearns, Church. We don't have an unlimted budget people. We need to get 2 pitchers before we even worry about who else to get offensively.

 

Lugo is a much larger upgrade over Izturis than guys like Meche, Batista, and Marquis would be over Guzman/Marshall/Mateo/Marmol.

 

Why wouldn't we want to spend the money where it would help us most?

 

I don't know why people keep talking about Guzman like he is a rotation possibility. Has he looked anything like a ML starter at any point in the past couple years? Not that I've seen.

 

I hope I am proven wrong, but I think the Gooz is cooked.

 

Coming back from his injury, he posted a 40:0 strikeout-to-walk ratio.

 

Last year was a hiccup, yeah. He didn't seem to have good command of his changeup most of the season. But his fastball is a plus pitch, his curveball is a plus-plus, and his changeup is a plus when he's got a feel for it.

 

If he clicks, you're looking at a second half Rich Hill. That's exactly the sort of guy I'm willing to take a risk on. He's cheaper than Marquis, has infinately more upside than Marquis, and he's more likely to outpitch Marquis anyway... with a chance of being a rotation-anchor sort of pitcher.

[A New Era]

( DING only works if you DING someone else )

 

Hehehehe.

 

Yes I know that I was doing that to show how much I hate that stupid #*!$. DING DING DING DING DING!!

Edited November 21, 2006 by A New Era

[A New Era]

How about we get SP before we go spending oh ~$20 mil on players like Lugo, Kearns, Church. We don't have an unlimted budget people. We need to get 2 pitchers before we even worry about who else to get offensively.

 

Lugo is a much larger upgrade over Izturis than guys like Meche, Batista, and Marquis would be over Guzman/Marshall/Mateo/Marmol.

 

Why wouldn't we want to spend the money where it would help us most?

 

Yes but the dumb butts (JH and Mcdunnough) want him for CF as far as we've all heard. And he's gonna cost 4 years $32 million. Do you really want to give THAT much to Lugo? If the Cubs are to spend that type of money over 3-4 years I'd rather they got an impact pitcher that could really boister the pitching staff. Like Schmidt or Westbrook (yes I know he must sign an extension)

[VanceJergins]

( DING only works if you DING someone else )

 

Hehehehe.

 

Yes I know that I was doing that to show how much I hate that stupid #*!$. DING DING DING DING DING!!

 

Come again?

[Rob]

How about we get SP before we go spending oh ~$20 mil on players like Lugo, Kearns, Church. We don't have an unlimted budget people. We need to get 2 pitchers before we even worry about who else to get offensively.

 

Lugo is a much larger upgrade over Izturis than guys like Meche, Batista, and Marquis would be over Guzman/Marshall/Mateo/Marmol.

 

Why wouldn't we want to spend the money where it would help us most?

 

Yes but the dumb butts (JH and Mcdunnough) want him for CF as far as we've all heard. And he's gonna cost 4 years $32 million. Do you really want to give THAT much to Lugo? If the Cubs are to spend that type of money over 3-4 years I'd rather they got an impact pitcher that could really boister the pitching staff. Like Schmidt or Westbrook (yes I know he must sign an extension)

 

I don't believe they really want him for CF.

 

If we sign Lugo, I see something like a Izturis and Marshall for Coco Crisp deal materializing very quickly.

[A New Era]

( DING only works if you DING someone else )

 

Hehehehe.

 

Yes I know that I was doing that to show how much I hate that stupid #*!$. DING DING DING DING DING!!

 

Come again?

 

Imagine someone annoyed by someone saying DING DING DING DING DING. Imagine my angry face sarcastically yelling DING DING DING DING DING!!! Understand?

[MPrior]

I hope I am proven wrong, but I think the Gooz is cooked.

 

It's not that I agree. But attention has to be drawn to this. Well played.

 

Guzman has the potential (still) to be lights-out awesome. Even when he was struggling this year in the majors, his stuff was filthy, and he occasionally looked absolutely dominant. Unfortunately, it was usually only for a couple pitches at a time. Given that he's basically coming off 2 years worth of injury, I'm willing to forgive that inconsistency for the moment. Let's hope he stays healthy and straightens things out this season in the minors - and maybe get a spot in the rotation part way through the year.

[Guest]

How about we get SP before we go spending oh ~$20 mil on players like Lugo, Kearns, Church. We don't have an unlimted budget people. We need to get 2 pitchers before we even worry about who else to get offensively.

 

Lugo is a much larger upgrade over Izturis than guys like Meche, Batista, and Marquis would be over Guzman/Marshall/Mateo/Marmol.

 

Why wouldn't we want to spend the money where it would help us most?

 

Yes but the dumb butts (JH and Mcdunnough) want him for CF as far as we've all heard. And he's gonna cost 4 years $32 million. Do you really want to give THAT much to Lugo? If the Cubs are to spend that type of money over 3-4 years I'd rather they got an impact pitcher that could really boister the pitching staff. Like Schmidt or Westbrook (yes I know he must sign an extension)

 

I don't believe they really want him for CF.

 

If we sign Lugo, I see something like a Izturis and Marshall for Coco Crisp deal materializing very quickly.

 

 

I doubt it. The Red Sox let Gonzalez walk because they wanted an upgrade offensively at SS. Trading for Izturis hardly accomplishes that. Marshall would be an absolute disaster at Fenway.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Jones >> Lugo >>>> Izturis.

 

If they view Lugo in CF over Jones, they're crazy. He's not as good and would make almost twice as much. If they want Lugo over Izturis at SS, they're on the right track. There he would make twice as much, but he'd also provide twice the production.