Girardi Not Back w/ Marlins in 2007

[back2backjax]

Story in the Sun Sentinel: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-spnewgirardi22sep22,0,1734031.story?coll=sfla-sports-front

 

I've been very high on Girardi throughout the season, but that story gives me some doubt as to whether or not he's the man for the Cubs in 2007. Looks like he's made some mistakes this year that are eerily similar to those of Dusty. Maybe he was trying to get fired toward the end.

[Jehrico]

Story in the Sun Sentinel: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-spnewgirardi22sep22,0,1734031.story?coll=sfla-sports-front

 

I've been very high on Girardi throughout the season, but that story gives me some doubt as to whether or not he's the man for the Cubs in 2007. Looks like he's made some mistakes this year that are eerily similar to those of Dusty. Maybe he was trying to get fired toward the end.

 

I don't mind the mistakes, especially from a first year manager. If there's one thing I like about Girardi, is that he's always seemed to be the type to own up when he does make a mistake, and he typically seems to learn from them. That also, coincidentally, parallels my biggest beef with Baker.

 

Plus, I've always thought that good ex-catchers made the best coaches and managers. You've got to think alot more about the game as a backstop, and they tend to have a better understanding what is going on. You would hope an ex-catcher would be more in tune with how the pitchers are doing, when to yank them, when to leave them in, etc. Dusty clearly does not grasp that concept.

[RationalSoxFan]

Please take Joey Cora :o

 

I wouldn't mind Ozzie either........

[The Voice of Reason]

Paraphrasing Peter Gammons on ESPN this morning, "While a lot of fans and media in Chicago think Girardi would be a good fit for the Cubs, the front office of the Cubs is very leery of him and I don't think it will happen."

 

Keep in mind the track record of recent former Cub managers at their next club - there isn't one. Reason = because the Cubs would rather hire "safe" managers that don't rock the boat over talented ones. If a manager starts to question the front office, he's gone faster than you can say Don Zimmer.

 

The Cubs won't hire Girardi.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

If the Cubs hired Girardi and the Marlins hired anyone else, everyone would quickly find out this year's results were directly related to the quality of talent each team put on the field.

[Soriano12]

So Girardi doesn't get any credit the success of the young talent in Florida?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If the Cubs decide to go with a youth movement, Girardi could be a decent choice. I don't think his Showalter-esque tactics would go over well with a veteran team.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

So Girardi doesn't get any credit the success of the young talent in Florida?

 

I am very much of the opinion that Joe is getting way too much credit. The Marlins may have had a huge firesale, but the end result was loading up on a lot of high-end talent from their trading partners' minor league teams. All in addition to having one of the best hitters in all of baseball. Everyone saw the talent, it was just a matter of them getting the experience at the major league level to get into a position to compete.

[C.C.]

If the Cubs hired Girardi and the Marlins hired anyone else, everyone would quickly find out this year's results were directly related to the quality of talent each team put on the field.

 

Joe does get some credit. Sure the talent is there but not every manager in baseball is good at bringing the talent out.

[Banedon]

So Girardi doesn't get any credit the success of the young talent in Florida?

 

I am very much of the opinion that Joe is getting way too much credit. The Marlins may have had a huge firesale, but the end result was loading up on a lot of high-end talent from their trading partners' minor league teams. All in addition to having one of the best hitters in all of baseball. Everyone saw the talent, it was just a matter of them getting the experience at the major league level to get into a position to compete.

 

The Marlins won two World Series with low payroll teams and 2 different managers. Now they're having low payroll success again with a third manager, and I'm thinking like Pedro is. Joe is getting too much credit. The Marlins have found a way to maximize talent under a small payroll, take advantage of it while they can keep it cheaply, and then trade it away for new young talent to rebuild yet again. Joe is a placeholder manager that hasn't done anything too wrong, but too say he's done so much right that the Marlins are winning is giving him too much credit, in my opinion.

[Magnetic Curses]

Paraphrasing Peter Gammons on ESPN this morning, "While a lot of fans and media in Chicago think Girardi would be a good fit for the Cubs, the front office of the Cubs is very leery of him and I don't think it will happen."

 

Keep in mind the track record of recent former Cub managers at their next club - there isn't one. Reason = because the Cubs would rather hire "safe" managers that don't rock the boat over talented ones. If a manager starts to question the front office, he's gone faster than you can say Don Zimmer.

 

The Cubs won't hire Girardi.

 

but managers shouldn't "rock the boat". they're there to do a simple job--do whatever upper management wants them to do.

 

unfortunately, in our case, that would be a terrible thing, as upper management is even more incompetent than field management. and while i think that girardi rocking the boat would help us in the short-term, the only thing that will help us truly is the deconstruction and reconstruction of the front-office with a team president like sandy alderson, a GM like paul depodesta, and any old ex-player they can find to do an easy job in the field.

[Soriano12]

The Marlins won two World Series with low payroll teams and 2 different managers.

 

The 97 Marlins team did not have a low payroll.

 

They had some big names on that team.

[goonys evil twin]

Paraphrasing Peter Gammons on ESPN this morning, "While a lot of fans and media in Chicago think Girardi would be a good fit for the Cubs, the front office of the Cubs is very leery of him and I don't think it will happen."

 

Keep in mind the track record of recent former Cub managers at their next club - there isn't one. Reason = because the Cubs would rather hire "safe" managers that don't rock the boat over talented ones. If a manager starts to question the front office, he's gone faster than you can say Don Zimmer.

 

The Cubs won't hire Girardi.

 

but managers shouldn't "rock the boat". they're there to do a simple job--do whatever upper management wants them to do.

 

unfortunately, in our case, that would be a terrible thing, as upper management is even more incompetent than field management. and while i think that girardi rocking the boat would help us in the short-term, the only thing that will help us truly is the deconstruction and reconstruction of the front-office with a team president like sandy alderson, a GM like paul depodesta, and any old ex-player they can find to do an easy job in the field.

 

Too many managers let their ego affect their moves. They can't just put the guys on the field and let them play, they have to feel important so they call things like pitch outs, sac bunts, hit and runs, etc to put their stamp on the team. It's partially because they know the media laps that stuff up as a manager who is making things happen and doing the little things to be a winner.

[Banedon]

The Marlins won two World Series with low payroll teams and 2 different managers.

 

The 97 Marlins team did not have a low payroll.

 

They had some big names on that team.

 

Fair enough...but they did use those big names to trade for the younger talent to start the "talent farming" style of team management that they continue to use today.

[C.C.]

Paraphrasing Peter Gammons on ESPN this morning, "While a lot of fans and media in Chicago think Girardi would be a good fit for the Cubs, the front office of the Cubs is very leery of him and I don't think it will happen."

 

Keep in mind the track record of recent former Cub managers at their next club - there isn't one. Reason = because the Cubs would rather hire "safe" managers that don't rock the boat over talented ones. If a manager starts to question the front office, he's gone faster than you can say Don Zimmer.

 

The Cubs won't hire Girardi.

 

but managers shouldn't "rock the boat". they're there to do a simple job--do whatever upper management wants them to do.

 

unfortunately, in our case, that would be a terrible thing, as upper management is even more incompetent than field management. and while i think that girardi rocking the boat would help us in the short-term, the only thing that will help us truly is the deconstruction and reconstruction of the front-office with a team president like sandy alderson, a GM like paul depodesta, and any old ex-player they can find to do an easy job in the field.

 

Too many managers let their ego affect their moves. They can't just put the guys on the field and let them play, they have to feel important so they call things like pitch outs, sac bunts, hit and runs, etc to put their stamp on the team. It's partially because they know the media laps that stuff up as a manager who is making things happen and doing the little things to be a winner.

 

Very true, and it's the reason why managers like Bobby Cox have been so successful for so long and managers like Ozzie won't.

[Soriano12]

The Marlins won two World Series with low payroll teams and 2 different managers.

 

The 97 Marlins team did not have a low payroll.

 

They had some big names on that team.

 

Fair enough...but they did use those big names to trade for the younger talent to start the "talent farming" style of team management that they continue to use today.

 

 

Let's not also forget that the young marlins team that won it in 2003

started off terrible in 03. It wasn't till they hired McKeon that they turned their season around.

 

Granted they also got healthier as the season went on.

 

Do the Marlins have a ton of talent yes. Quite a few managers

would be doing well with them this year.

 

However, I'm confindent that if Baker was managing the Marlins

they would be alot worse this year.

 

Hell I could see baker starting Wes Helms every day at first over Mike Jacobs.

[The Voice of Reason]

Paraphrasing Peter Gammons on ESPN this morning, "While a lot of fans and media in Chicago think Girardi would be a good fit for the Cubs, the front office of the Cubs is very leery of him and I don't think it will happen."

 

Keep in mind the track record of recent former Cub managers at their next club - there isn't one. Reason = because the Cubs would rather hire "safe" managers that don't rock the boat over talented ones. If a manager starts to question the front office, he's gone faster than you can say Don Zimmer.

 

The Cubs won't hire Girardi.

 

but managers shouldn't "rock the boat". they're there to do a simple job--do whatever upper management wants them to do.

 

unfortunately, in our case, that would be a terrible thing, as upper management is even more incompetent than field management. and while i think that girardi rocking the boat would help us in the short-term, the only thing that will help us truly is the deconstruction and reconstruction of the front-office with a team president like sandy alderson, a GM like paul depodesta, and any old ex-player they can find to do an easy job in the field.

 

Too many managers let their ego affect their moves. They can't just put the guys on the field and let them play, they have to feel important so they call things like pitch outs, sac bunts, hit and runs, etc to put their stamp on the team. It's partially because they know the media laps that stuff up as a manager who is making things happen and doing the little things to be a winner.

 

Jim Leyland's a very pro-active manager. I don't think he cares what the media or the front office thinks. How is he doing this year with essentially the same Tiger team that stunk last year? What changed from last year? Did the players all of sudden become talented?

 

Leyland proved in Florida and is proving again this year in Detroit that good managers can have a very positive effect on a ball club.

 

Since the Cubs let Leyland get away, why not hire someone (like Girardi) with a similar style and philosophy? Shaking up the mopey Cub players and incompetent front office couldn't make things any worse.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The Tigers are nowhere near the same team they were last year, it's not even close.

[The Voice of Reason]

The Tigers are nowhere near the same team they were last year, it's not even close.

 

What are the differences other than Leyland?

[Soriano12]

The Tigers are nowhere near the same team they were last year, it's not even close.

 

What are the differences other than Leyland?

 

The young arms have peaked and remained healthy.

 

The perfect storm. For their sake I hope they win it this year.

 

They may never be in this situation again.

[Banedon]

Let's not also forget that the young marlins team that won it in 2003

started off terrible in 03. It wasn't till they hired McKeon that they turned their season around.

 

Granted they also got healthier as the season went on.

 

Do the Marlins have a ton of talent yes. Quite a few managers

would be doing well with them this year.

 

However, I'm confindent that if Baker was managing the Marlins

they would be alot worse this year.

 

Hell I could see baker starting Wes Helms every day at first over Mike Jacobs.

 

But see, this is my point...Bad managers can ruin teams, but only a very few can improve them. At least that's my point of view. Girardi to me is not a bad manager, but I'm not convinced he's a good one. And call me greedy, but I want a good one. I don't think Girardi will wreck a team, I just don't think he'll make it a great one either.

[SouthSideRyan]

Leyland proved in Florida and is proving again this year in Detroit that good managers can have a very positive effect on a ball club.

 

 

And proved it again in Color....oh, nevermind.

Edited September 22, 2006 by SouthSideRyan

[The Voice of Reason]

The Tigers are nowhere near the same team they were last year, it's not even close.

 

What are the differences other than Leyland?

 

The young arms have peaked and remained healthy.

 

The perfect storm. For their sake I hope they win it this year.

 

They may never be in this situation again.

 

He won in Pittsburgh, Florida and now Detroit. Amazing how those "perfect storms" keep following him around.

[Soriano12]

The Tigers are nowhere near the same team they were last year, it's not even close.

 

What are the differences other than Leyland?

 

The young arms have peaked and remained healthy.

 

The perfect storm. For their sake I hope they win it this year.

 

They may never be in this situation again.

 

He won in Pittsburgh, Florida and now Detroit. Amazing how those "perfect storms" keep following him around.

 

I'm guessing the Storm lost the directions to Colorado.

[KingCubsFan]

Paraphrasing Peter Gammons on ESPN this morning, "While a lot of fans and media in Chicago think Girardi would be a good fit for the Cubs, the front office of the Cubs is very leery of him and I don't think it will happen."

 

Keep in mind the track record of recent former Cub managers at their next club - there isn't one. Reason = because the Cubs would rather hire "safe" managers that don't rock the boat over talented ones. If a manager starts to question the front office, he's gone faster than you can say Don Zimmer.

 

The Cubs won't hire Girardi.

 

but managers shouldn't "rock the boat". they're there to do a simple job--do whatever upper management wants them to do.

 

unfortunately, in our case, that would be a terrible thing, as upper management is even more incompetent than field management. and while i think that girardi rocking the boat would help us in the short-term, the only thing that will help us truly is the deconstruction and reconstruction of the front-office with a team president like sandy alderson, a GM like paul depodesta, and any old ex-player they can find to do an easy job in the field.

Why choose Depodesta? He wasn't exactly a success in LA