Play GM/Manager '07.

[frostwyrm]

I strongly suspect Izturis' lack of durability (plus poor offense) will cause him to wear out his welcome by midseason. Hendry doesn't want the shame of another Nomar situation. Not sure which SS Hendry will target.

 

This midseason or next midseason?

2007 midseason. Maybe it's just me, but I'm getting a bad feeling about Izzy durability-wise.

[goonys evil twin]

I strongly suspect Izturis' lack of durability (plus poor offense) will cause him to wear out his welcome by midseason. Hendry doesn't want the shame of another Nomar situation. Not sure which SS Hendry will target.

 

This midseason or next midseason?

2007 midseason. Maybe it's just me, but I'm getting a bad feeling about Izzy durability-wise.

 

It sure isn't just you.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Starting Lineup

Should be sufficient. There's no way that Pierre could be as bad as he was at the beginning of this year. Theriot is a great contact hitter. Lee and Ramirez are deadly in the middle of the lineup and Jones is good for 25 dingers and 75 RBI. Barrett is one of the best offensive catchers in the bigs while Murton has a high OBP and Izturis could rebound from injury and end up having a great year.

 

1. Juan Pierre (CF)

2. Ryan Theriot (2B)

3. Derrek Lee (1B)

4. Aramis Ramirez (3B)

5. Jacque Jones (RF)

6. Michael Barrett ©

7. Matt Murton (LF)

8. Cesar Izturis (SS)

 

Starting Rotation

Zambrano is a potential Cy Young winner, while Schmidt is a formidable number two. I've got a feeling that '07 could be Prior's return to form. Rich Hill has just been plain filthy lately, hopefully improving next season. Dempster has shown that perhaps his 2005 season in the closer role was a fluke. I'm advocating a return to the rotation. If he fails, substitute Marshall, Guzman, or Mateo.

 

1. Carlos Zambrano

2. Jason Schmidt

3. Mark Prior

4. Rich Hill

5. Ryan Dempster

 

Bullpen

Marmol is a young strikeout pitcher, good for short or long relief. Ohman is your lefty specialist, while Novoa is a durable righty. Eyre, Howry, and Aardsma handle the 7th, 8th, and 9th, respectively.

 

1. Carlos Marmol

2. Michael Wuertz

3. Will Ohman

4. Roberto Novoa

5. Scott Eyre

6. Bobby Howry

7. David Aardsma (closer)

 

Bench

Cedeno plays the 'Neifi' role, while Moore is the younger Mabry. Pagan is an good defensive outfielder with pop. Catalanotto has had a great year with the Jays, may be expensive. Soto is a cheaper Blanco.

 

1. Ronny Cedeno (SS/2B)

2. Scott Moore (1B/3B)

3. Angel Pagan (OF)

4. Frank Catalanotto (OF)

5. Geovany Soto ©

 

Welcome.

 

No offense, but with that team we'd be lucky to finish third.

 

Dempster is a failed starter. The rest of the rotation is ok, but your betting heavily on Prior being healthy and effective andHill continuing his success.

With the line-up you've constructed, the pitching will have to be very good. Izturis is bad. Theriot is a huge risk. The line-up lacks punch and the bench provides little depth.

 

I would be very dissapointed if this were the team we fielded next season.

[frostwyrm]

I strongly suspect Izturis' lack of durability (plus poor offense) will cause him to wear out his welcome by midseason. Hendry doesn't want the shame of another Nomar situation. Not sure which SS Hendry will target.

 

This midseason or next midseason?

2007 midseason. Maybe it's just me, but I'm getting a bad feeling about Izzy durability-wise.

 

It sure isn't just you.

He's not in southern California anymore either. Guy has hamstring issues and arthritis, and it's really cold in Chicago in April and early May. I'm not optimistic about him. He sucks anyway.

[Rob]

Would anybody else be willing to start putting their payrolls down with the players like Vance and I did? It helps a lot in being realistic when you know how much you have to spend.

[goonys evil twin]

Would anybody else be willing to start putting their payrolls down with the players like Vance and I did? It helps a lot in being realistic when you know how much you have to spend.

 

I've done in in my own notes, but I'm not ready to put down a preferred roster yet, I'm still up in the air on some things.

[Rob]

Would anybody else be willing to start putting their payrolls down with the players like Vance and I did? It helps a lot in being realistic when you know how much you have to spend.

 

I've done in in my own notes, but I'm not ready to put down a preferred roster yet, I'm still up in the air on some things.

 

I wouldn't expect any less of you. It's the "others" :shock:

 

I'm just hyper-realistic and when I see people proposing to spend 20 million more or less dollars than our approx 100 million dollar payroll, it's annoying.

[Backtobanks]

1B - DLee

2B - Durham

SS - Izturis

3b - ARam

LF - Murton

CF - A. Jones

RF - Jones/Craig Wilson

C - Barrett

 

SP - Zambrano

SP - Schmidt

SP - Hill

SP - Prior

SP - Miller/Marshall/Guzman/Mateo

 

Bullpen - Wuertz, Howry, Eyre, Ohman, Aardsma

Closer - Wood (Howry)

Bench - Moore, Theriot, Pagan, C. Wilson, Soto

 

Cedeno, Marshall/Guzman/Marmol/Mateo, plus ???? traded for Andruw Jones.

 

Dempster & Novoa traded separately for ?????

[Neuby]

I think Dempster can turn it around next season and would prefer to hang onto him . I want Wood brought along slow next season in the bullpen to ensure sucesss.

 

Wood

Dempster

Eyre

Howry

Wuertz

Ohman

 

Hopefully this dismal season will make the Trib open up the checkbook and bump this payroll up to the 110 millon dollar range.

Schmidt , Soranio, and make a deal for Tejeda.

 

Pie , Nova, Izutris,Marshall should get it done.

 

Schmidt

Z

Hill

Miller

Prior/Guzman/Marmol/Mateo/Omalley/Gallegher/

 

For CF Hendry can snag a guy like Kenny Lofton for 2 million or less to man CF until Pie is ready. I think a guy like Mark Mulder is on Hendrys radar with Mulder being from the area Hendry might try to lure him in on an incentive l

laden deal.

[Laura]

I strongly suspect Izturis' lack of durability (plus poor offense) will cause him to wear out his welcome by midseason. Hendry doesn't want the shame of another Nomar situation. Not sure which SS Hendry will target.

 

This midseason or next midseason?

2007 midseason. Maybe it's just me, but I'm getting a bad feeling about Izzy durability-wise.

 

It sure isn't just you.

He's not in southern California anymore either. Guy has hamstring issues and arthritis, and it's really cold in Chicago in April and early May. I'm not optimistic about him. He sucks anyway.

 

He's been fragile so far, and we've seen this show a few times recently.

[jmajew]

1) Trade Marmol, Pie, Marshall, Novoa for Vernon Wells.

2) Sign Schmidt to 4/45 10,11,12,12

3) Sign Craig Wilson 2/7

4) Sign Vincente Padilla 3/18

5) Sing Vernon Wells to a 5/55 deal

6) Re-sign Ramirez 4/52

 

2b Theriot .33 mil

LF Murton .35 mil

1B DLee 13 mil

3b Ramirez 13 mil

CF Wells 11 mil

RF Jones 4 mil

C Barrett 4.5 mil

SS Izturis 4 mil

 

Bench

Wilson 3.5 mil

Cedeno .35 mil

Moore .33 mil

Soto .33 mil

Pagan .35 mil

 

Rotation

Zambrano 10 mil

Schmidt 10 mil

Padilla 6 mil

Hill .35 mil

Prior 4.5 mil

 

Pen

Dempster 5 mil

Howry 4 mil

Eyre 3.5 mil

Wuertz .35 mil

Ohman 1 mil

Aardsma .35 mil

 

total payroll=99.74 million

 

I used Vance's salaries.

[USSoccer]

Ok, off the top of my head:

 

1B: Lee $13m

2B: Soriano (signed 4/$60m)

SS: Izturis $4m

3B: Ramirez (signed $4/56 w/NTC)

C: Barrett $4.5m

LF: Murton $500k

CF: Pie $300k

RF: Jones $4m

 

P: Zambrano $10m

P: Prior $4.5m

P: Hill $350k

P: Padilla (3y/$16m)

P: Mateo $300k

 

Bench:

 

C: Soto $300k

OF/1B: Craig Wilson (1/$3.5m option for 2008)

OF: Pagan $350k

IF: Cedeno $350k

IF: Theriot $300k

 

Bullpen:

 

SU-Howry $4m

SU- Eyre $3.5m

MR-Wuertz $500k

MR-Ohman $1m

CL-Wood (1yr $4m base w/ incentives and club option for 2008)

LR-Dempster $5m

 

 

Additions: Soriano, Wilson, Padilla

 

That's a 98.2m payroll.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

1) Trade Marmol, Pie, Marshall, Novoa for Vernon Wells.

 

I don't think that gets it done for Wells.

 

My guess is they'd want Barrett and maybe Marmol.

[frostwyrm]

I strongly suspect Izturis' lack of durability (plus poor offense) will cause him to wear out his welcome by midseason. Hendry doesn't want the shame of another Nomar situation. Not sure which SS Hendry will target.

 

This midseason or next midseason?

2007 midseason. Maybe it's just me, but I'm getting a bad feeling about Izzy durability-wise.

 

It sure isn't just you.

He's not in southern California anymore either. Guy has hamstring issues and arthritis, and it's really cold in Chicago in April and early May. I'm not optimistic about him. He sucks anyway.

 

He's been fragile so far, and we've seen this show a few times recently.

Last year he landed on the DL with a bad hammy and again with back pain, and that was in balmy LA. Then there's the elbow. Anybody playing GM for 2007 might want to leave a few mil available for a midseason replacement SS. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Neifi return as a half-season rental.

[A New Era]

Would anybody else be willing to start putting their payrolls down with the players like Vance and I did? It helps a lot in being realistic when you know how much you have to spend.

 

Too lazy. :lol: But I think with the guys I let go or trade for nothing if I can, combined with who I sign. I think mine would be right around 100 million. Because I am getting rid of overpaid bench player vets like Blanco and Mabry, and using cheap rookies in their stead. => Moore, Soto, Cedeno, et. al.

[VanceJergins]

I've answered this in a number of threads....

 

but let me quote it again...

 

 

I'd sign Soriano for second, call up Pie for CF, sign Schmidt, sign C. Wilson and Derosa for the bench.

That's near a 100 million payroll.

 

C Barrett- 4.5 million

1b Lee - 13 million

2b – Soriano (signs 5/70 deal)- 14 million

SS Izturis – 4 million

3b Ramirez- 13 million (4/52 extension)

LF Murton- 350 K (est)

CF Pie- 330 K

RF Jones- 4 million

SP Zambrano- 10 million (est)

SP Schmidt (4/45- structured 10,11,12,12)- 10

SP Prior 4.5 million (est)

SP Hill 350 K

SP Marshall/Mateo/Marmol/Ryu/Guzman- 350 K

 

Bullpen: Dempster (5 million), Howry (4 million), Eyre (3.5 million), Ohman (1 million- est), Wuertz (350 K), and Aardsma (350 K)

 

Bench:

Soto- 330 K

Theriot- 330 K

C. Wilson (2 year 7.5 million contract)- 3.5

Pagan – 350 K

DeRosa (2 year 4.5 million contract)- 2.25

 

That’s a total payroll of 99.76 million.

 

Other options:

 

If I failed to sign Soriano, I'd look at Durham at second and possibly Edmonds in CF.

 

I'd also likely see what the Braves would require to obtain Jones. If I had Jones in CF, I'd pursue Durham or Castillo for second.

 

I might also have some interest in Kent at second if I could acquire a decent CF.

 

Is Kent a free agent or would you try to trade for him? I havent heard anything about him being a FA, but if thats the case I think he'd be an amazing pickup. If he could produce the numbers of any the 9 seasons previous to this year, along with us adding someone like Jones or Wells for CF, or someone like Tejada at SS, then I think we'd have one of the top 3 linesups in the league.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I've answered this in a number of threads....

 

but let me quote it again...

 

 

I'd sign Soriano for second, call up Pie for CF, sign Schmidt, sign C. Wilson and Derosa for the bench.

That's near a 100 million payroll.

 

C Barrett- 4.5 million

1b Lee - 13 million

2b – Soriano (signs 5/70 deal)- 14 million

SS Izturis – 4 million

3b Ramirez- 13 million (4/52 extension)

LF Murton- 350 K (est)

CF Pie- 330 K

RF Jones- 4 million

SP Zambrano- 10 million (est)

SP Schmidt (4/45- structured 10,11,12,12)- 10

SP Prior 4.5 million (est)

SP Hill 350 K

SP Marshall/Mateo/Marmol/Ryu/Guzman- 350 K

 

Bullpen: Dempster (5 million), Howry (4 million), Eyre (3.5 million), Ohman (1 million- est), Wuertz (350 K), and Aardsma (350 K)

 

Bench:

Soto- 330 K

Theriot- 330 K

C. Wilson (2 year 7.5 million contract)- 3.5

Pagan – 350 K

DeRosa (2 year 4.5 million contract)- 2.25

 

That’s a total payroll of 99.76 million.

 

Other options:

 

If I failed to sign Soriano, I'd look at Durham at second and possibly Edmonds in CF.

 

I'd also likely see what the Braves would require to obtain Jones. If I had Jones in CF, I'd pursue Durham or Castillo for second.

 

I might also have some interest in Kent at second if I could acquire a decent CF.

 

Is Kent a free agent or would you try to trade for him? I havent heard anything about him being a FA, but if thats the case I think he'd be an amazing pickup. If he could produce the numbers of any the 9 seasons previous to this year, along with us adding someone like Jones or Wells for CF, or someone like Tejada at SS, then I think we'd have one of the top 3 linesups in the league.

 

I was under the impression that Kent would be a FA; I have read since that he signed an extension in spring training. If he has, then he's not an option.

[TheDude]

Is anybody taking into account pay raises in their numbers or buyout amounts (if any)?

[goonys evil twin]

Is anybody taking into account pay raises in their numbers or buyout amounts (if any)?

 

Pay raises yes, buyouts, not sure. It's hard to say how exactly they account for those.

[VanceJergins]

A few questions open for anyone to take a crack at:

 

How serious do you think Toronto will be about trading Wells?

How much is he making?

What do you think it would take to get him?

Do you think he's worth it or do you think this year is a fluke?

Would you rather go after him or Jones or someone else for CF?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

A few questions open for anyone to take a crack at:

 

How serious do you think Toronto will be about trading Wells?

 

I think they would move him, but only if they think the move improves them in the long term and the short term. From what I've been reading, the Blue Jays still hope to get him signed to an extension. My guess is that unless they are overwhelmed with an offer, he would be traded at next year's deadline if at all.

 

How much is he making?

 

He made 4.75 million this year and is tied to the Jays for one more year. His resistance to the Jays offer of an extension has led to the rumors that he could be traded.

 

What do you think it would take to get him?

 

I think it would cost a productive major leaguer as well as some prospects. The caliber of prospects would depend greatly on the caliber of the major leaguer. I think the Jays would want either Barrett or Murton from the major league roster and then one of Marshall or Marmol.

 

Do you think he's worth it or do you think this year is a fluke?

Would you rather go after him or Jones or someone else for CF?

 

I don't necessarily think this year was a fluke, but I think counting on him to repeat what has been a career year for him would be a little much. I would expect something along the lines of his career numbers, which are good for a CF, but not at the level he's played this year.

 

It would depend on cost as to whether I'd want Wells or Jones. If I could get either for CF, it makes things easier with secondbase.

[LuckyPup]

so here is my dream scenario:

 

1. Re-sign Rammy

2.Sign Soriano to play 2nd

3.Sign Schmidt(4/48)

4.Re-sign W. Miller(3.5)

5.Trade Prior(4.5)+Marshall+Izturis(4.5)+Novoa for Tejada(12)

6.Trade Dempster(5)+Marmol for Freddy Garcia(10)

7 Re-sign K Wood to incentive laden deal-

8. use Theriot, Pagan, Moore on the bench-

9. give CF to Pie and bat him low in the order

10-preferably dont suck

 

2B-Soriano(12)

LF-Murton(.4)

SS-Tejada(12)

1B-Lee(12)

3B-Aram(12)

C-Barrett(4)

Rf-Jones(5)

CF-Pie.3)

58.4M total

 

Zambrano(10)

Schmidt(12)

Garcia(10)

R.Hill(.4)

Miller(3)

35.4M total

 

Bullpen

Howry(4), Eyre(4), Wood(2), Ohman(.5), Aardsma(.3), Wuertz(.4), Macdougal(2.5)

13.7m

 

Bench

Moore(.3), Pagan(.4), Cedeno(.4), Theriot(.3), Blanco(2)

total=3.4M

 

TOTAL PAYROLL=110M-

 

guy can dream right-

[Rob]

What do you think it would take to get him?

 

I think it would cost a productive major leaguer as well as some prospects. The caliber of prospects would depend greatly on the caliber of the major leaguer. I think the Jays would want either Barrett or Murton from the major league roster and then one of Marshall or Marmol.

 

Toronto may start off asking for Barrett or Murton, but they should know it's unrealistic.

 

Quantity over quality should get the job done here. I really don't think it'd take more than Izturis, Pie, Ryu, and Aardsma. We wouldn't be giving up all that much, but it'd be upgrades across the field for them... with the only downgrade coming in the form of a top 25 prospect.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

What do you think it would take to get him?

 

I think it would cost a productive major leaguer as well as some prospects. The caliber of prospects would depend greatly on the caliber of the major leaguer. I think the Jays would want either Barrett or Murton from the major league roster and then one of Marshall or Marmol.

 

Toronto may start off asking for Barrett or Murton, but they should know it's unrealistic.

 

Quantity over quality should get the job done here. I really don't think it'd take more than Izturis, Pie, Ryu, and Aardsma. We wouldn't be giving up all that much, but it'd be upgrades across the field for them... with the only downgrade coming in the form of a top 25 prospect.

 

But it won't get it done. Toronto doesn't have to trade him. He's signed to an affordable contract for next year and the owenership is giving them money. They plan to try to win, so they aren't selling off parts like the Marlins.

 

Every article I read about Toronto and Wells echos that sentiment. I don't see anyway they trade Wells for Izturis, Ryu, Pie, and Aardsma. If that's the Cubs' best offer, they will hold on to him. If they are fading next July, Wells would be one of the top deadline acquistions.

 

That's what the word is about Wells. Totonto prefers to sign him to an extension. If they can't, he may be shopped, but it will only be for an offer that Toronto likes. I can't see why, since there isn't a salary issue involved, that they would give him away for a package of maybes and not gonna bes.

 

They will want one of the three of Murton, Barrett, or Hill. If Wells is worth that, then make the deal. Personally, I'm not so sure one year of Wells is.

[VanceJergins]

Here's a little twist to the playing GM game: How would you construct the team if you couldnt make any trades or sign any FA(besides those already on the team that you'd be re-signing)? In other words, what do you think would be the best team with the players we already have? I think I'd have this lineup:

 

SS- Theriot

LF- Murton

1B- Lee

3B- Ramirez

RF- Jones/ Restovich

C- Barrett

CF- Pie/ Pagan

2B- Moore (I'd experiment with him there, if it didnt work I'd put Theriot at 2B and have Izturis and Cedeno fight for SS)

 

Zambrano

Hill

Prior

Miller

Marshall/ Guzman/ Marmol/ Mateo

 

Wood

Howry

Eyre

Wuertz

Dempster

Ohman

Marshall/ Guzman/ Marmol/Mateo

 

Bench: Blanco, Restovich/ Jones, Pagan/ Pie, Izturis/Cedeno/Moore, Bynum

 

If a few things went right I think that could be a pretty decent team. Then again if a few things went wrong it'd be awful. Not saying I dont think we should make any moves, I just wanted to do this for fun.