[cubfan1955]

he sounds like he might do a good job. i especially like the quote about him wanting to build the team from within through the farm system instead of free agents.

 

That's a nice idea, problem is position player wise, the farms system is garbage. So are we just gonna put up with the crap on the field now till

we rebuilt the farm system?

 

i think "garbage" is a much too harsh description. although pitching is obviously the strength of the system, guys like pie, ep, theriot, soto, restovich, fox, moore, fontenot, colvin, robinson are all good prospects who will have a good chance to contribute in the not too distant future.

I am not so sure on those players listed. I think Pie is the only one with a chance to be an everyday major league player.

[Rob]

Fox is one of the top catching prospects in the minors.

[CuseCubFan69]

Fox is one of the top catching prospects in the minors.

 

And that's why the Cubs are going to move him to LF. Those lovable losers are back at their little adorable games yet once again.

[cubfan1955]

Doesn't sound all that special.

 

From earlier this season:

 

10. Jake Fox, Cubs, Age: 23

Acquired: 3rd round, 2003, U. of Michigan

 

Fox's right-handed power stroke will play well in Wrigley one day, but it's not certain what position he'll be manning. He's not a good defensive catcher, and if he's moved elsewhere on the diamond (say, first base or one of the outfield corners), his offense suddenly isn't all that special. Whether Fox can stick at catcher will determine his ceiling. He's off to a slow start this season at High-A Daytona.

[CuseCubFan69]

Doesn't sound all that special.

 

From earlier this season:

 

10. Jake Fox, Cubs, Age: 23

Acquired: 3rd round, 2003, U. of Michigan

 

Fox's right-handed power stroke will play well in Wrigley one day, but it's not certain what position he'll be manning. He's not a good defensive catcher, and if he's moved elsewhere on the diamond (say, first base or one of the outfield corners), his offense suddenly isn't all that special. Whether Fox can stick at catcher will determine his ceiling. He's off to a slow start this season at High-A Daytona.

 

Can he actually be worse on defense than Barrett? He did heat up hitting wise and did quite well.

[mg420]

i think they should move fox to 3b myself. robinson is much better defensively and has started to hit well too.

[Rob]

Doesn't sound all that special.

 

From earlier this season:

 

10. Jake Fox, Cubs, Age: 23

Acquired: 3rd round, 2003, U. of Michigan

 

Fox's right-handed power stroke will play well in Wrigley one day, but it's not certain what position he'll be manning. He's not a good defensive catcher, and if he's moved elsewhere on the diamond (say, first base or one of the outfield corners), his offense suddenly isn't all that special. Whether Fox can stick at catcher will determine his ceiling. He's off to a slow start this season at High-A Daytona.

 

When was that made?

 

He was batting .325/.396/.578 with 5 HRs already by the end of April.

[Mizzou]

Doesn't sound all that special.

 

From earlier this season:

 

10. Jake Fox, Cubs, Age: 23

Acquired: 3rd round, 2003, U. of Michigan

 

Fox's right-handed power stroke will play well in Wrigley one day, but it's not certain what position he'll be manning. He's not a good defensive catcher, and if he's moved elsewhere on the diamond (say, first base or one of the outfield corners), his offense suddenly isn't all that special. Whether Fox can stick at catcher will determine his ceiling. He's off to a slow start this season at High-A Daytona.

 

When was that made?

 

He was batting .325/.396/.578 with 5 HRs already by the end of April.

What's his line now?

 

EDIT: Nevermind, I looked it up. It's: .263/.300/.424 and he's still at 5 HR's. I admittedly don't know much about him, but I don't see anything from that line or the above scouting report that makes him anywhere near a top prospect among catchers.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Doesn't sound all that special.

 

From earlier this season:

 

10. Jake Fox, Cubs, Age: 23

Acquired: 3rd round, 2003, U. of Michigan

 

Fox's right-handed power stroke will play well in Wrigley one day, but it's not certain what position he'll be manning. He's not a good defensive catcher, and if he's moved elsewhere on the diamond (say, first base or one of the outfield corners), his offense suddenly isn't all that special. Whether Fox can stick at catcher will determine his ceiling. He's off to a slow start this season at High-A Daytona.

 

When was that made?

 

He was batting .325/.396/.578 with 5 HRs already by the end of April.

What's his line now?

 

EDIT: Nevermind, I looked it up. It's: .263/.300/.424 and he's still at 5 HR's. I admittedly don't know much about him, but I don't see anything from that line or the above scouting report that makes him anywhere near a top prospect among catchers.

 

Daytona: .313/.383/.574/.957 (~285 PA's)

West Tenn: .266/.300/.432/.733 (~200 PA's)

[cubfan1955]

Doesn't sound all that special.

 

From earlier this season:

 

10. Jake Fox, Cubs, Age: 23

Acquired: 3rd round, 2003, U. of Michigan

 

Fox's right-handed power stroke will play well in Wrigley one day, but it's not certain what position he'll be manning. He's not a good defensive catcher, and if he's moved elsewhere on the diamond (say, first base or one of the outfield corners), his offense suddenly isn't all that special. Whether Fox can stick at catcher will determine his ceiling. He's off to a slow start this season at High-A Daytona.

 

When was that made?

 

He was batting .325/.396/.578 with 5 HRs already by the end of April.

It was from an article by Dayn Perry at foxsports.com at the beginning of the season. He had him rated as the 10th best catching prospect in MLB. That and his stats others have posted makes me believe he isn't a top prospect. Just my opinion though.

[biittner77]

There's nothing wrong with not closely following the Cubs minor league prospects but you should know that there are a lot of people here that do. With that in mind it's unwise to make a general comment about someone like Fox based on a 6 month old scouting report or stats that aren't up to date.

 

Unless of course you enjoy being proven wrong or being made to look foolish.

[cubfan1955]

There's nothing wrong with not closely following the Cubs minor league prospects but you should know that there are a lot of people here that do. With that in mind it's unwise to make a general comment about someone like Fox based on a 6 month old scouting report or stats that aren't up to date.

 

Unless of course you enjoy being proven wrong or being made to look foolish.

I'm not the one that called Fox a top prospect...which he is not. The only thing close to a top prospect in the Cubs system is Pie.

[Guest]

There's nothing wrong with not closely following the Cubs minor league prospects but you should know that there are a lot of people here that do. With that in mind it's unwise to make a general comment about someone like Fox based on a 6 month old scouting report or stats that aren't up to date.

 

Unless of course you enjoy being proven wrong or being made to look foolish.

I'm not the one that called Fox a top prospect...which he is not. The only thing close to a top prospect in the Cubs system is Pie.

 

that is quite false fortunately.

[biittner77]

There's nothing wrong with not closely following the Cubs minor league prospects but you should know that there are a lot of people here that do. With that in mind it's unwise to make a general comment about someone like Fox based on a 6 month old scouting report or stats that aren't up to date.

 

Unless of course you enjoy being proven wrong or being made to look foolish.

I'm not the one that called Fox a top prospect...which he is not. The only thing close to a top prospect in the Cubs system is Pie.

 

Whether Fox is a top prospect or not is debatable. To argue that he is not based on incorrect information is not a good idea.

 

As for the second part, I'd say that at the very least Veal is a top prospect- particularly if Jim Callis is making the list.

[cubfan1955]

As for the second part, I'd say that at the very least Veal is a top prospect- particularly if Jim Callis is making the list.

I was speaking of position player prospects...not pitching prospects.

 

And you shouldn't assume I'm basing my whole argument on the article I quoted from.

[Banedon]

And you shouldn't assume I'm basing my whole argument on the article I quoted from.

 

Well then, we're all ears...

[biittner77]

As for the second part, I'd say that at the very least Veal is a top prospect- particularly if Jim Callis is making the list.

I was speaking of position player prospects...not pitching prospects.

 

And you shouldn't assume I'm basing my whole argument on the article I quoted from.

 

It was from an article by Dayn Perry at foxsports.com at the beginning of the season. He had him rated as the 10th best catching prospect in MLB. That and his stats others have posted makes me believe he isn't a top prospect. Just my opinion though.

 

Dayn Perry thought he was the 10th best catching prospect in MiLB. How many Minor legaue catchers do you suppose played this year? The top 10 of that number is pretty elite.

 

Here are Fox's stats this year

Team-------avg---HR--RBI---obp---slg------ops

DAY FSL --.313---16--61----.383---.574--- .957

WTN SOU- .269----5--25----.304---.435--- .739

Minors---- .294-- 21- 86--- .350---.514--- .864

 

That kind of production from the catcher spot is pretty good. It certainly becomes less spectacular from a corner OF.

 

If he proves that he can stick at catcher I could see a lot of teams interested in Fox.

[cubfan1955]

While his numbers were not bad he did have quite a drop off from Hi A to AA.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/stats/player.php?id=444844

 

I haven't claimed the kid is a bum. He is a prospect but he's not in the elite class. Baseball America, in a Sept. 6, 2006 article, has him listed in the top 25. He is not listed in the top 10 as they number them. They list the next 15 without numbers. He is listed last in order of the 25 but he could fall anywhere between 11 and 25.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/hotsheet/262386.html

 

Having said that...I really don't have anything against Fox. The original statement was more about the Cubs lack of development of position players. If anyone wants to believe he's a top prospect then more power to them. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[goonys evil twin]

Are people trying to claim that Fox is a top prospect?

[WrigleyField 22]

i think they should move fox to 3b myself. robinson is much better defensively and has started to hit well too.

 

You want to count on Roinson being catcher over Fox because of 12 hot games for Daytona?

[biittner77]

i think they should move fox to 3b myself. robinson is much better defensively and has started to hit well too.

 

You want to count on Roinson being catcher over Fox because of 12 hot games for Daytona?

 

If Fox can't play adequate defense at catcher than 3rd base is the best option in terms of maximizes his value. The idea being that its easier to find a power hitting corner OF than power 3rd baseman.

 

Robinson seems to be a defense first catcher. Is his ceiling ~ Joe Girardi type production? Does Robinson start the year at AA? Fox most certainly will. If they are both there something has to give.

[Mephistopheles]

Are people trying to claim that Fox is a top prospect?

 

Dayn Perry!

[Outshined_One]

Jake Fox's Cumulative Splits.

 

Fox was promoted to West Tenn in Mid-June and struggled for a bit. However, he managed a good turnaround at the end of the season.

 

He had enough passed balls to make me concerned for his future, though.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Are people trying to claim that Fox is a top prospect?

 

Dayn Perry!

 

Perry probably knows about as much about prospects in the Cubs system as my 10-year-old nephew.

[Mephistopheles]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5240286

 

Probably, but he still had him at 90 before the season started.