What would Barrett net for us?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I second what Tim just wrote. I'll freely admit I didn't have the talent you have to play the game. That being said, I did the best with what I could and when I quit playing in high school, I worked as the student assistant coach my senior year and kept working with the team while in college. I've watched somewhere near 200 games a year for the past couple of years as long as well as have read as much as I can from books from the saber approach as well as those containing conventional wisdom.

 

Take no offense, but just having talent to play does not equate with knowledge. Playing gives you a perspective, but that perspective is only part of the equation.

[baseball7897]

I second what Tim just wrote. I'll freely admit I didn't have the talent you have to play the game. That being said, I did the best with what I could and when I quit playing in high school, I worked as the student assistant coach my senior year and kept working with the team while in college. I've watched somewhere near 200 games a year for the past couple of years as long as well as have read as much as I can from books from the saber approach as well as those containing conventional wisdom.

 

Take no offense, but just having talent to play does not equate with knowledge. Playing gives you a perspective, but that perspective is only part of the equation.

 

I never said I had the advantage because I play the game. I do believe I have enough knowledge to understand the game. Although im not really good sometimes in explaning things, I do feel I know what I am talking about. My opinion obviously differs from the majority of the people on here though. I dont want anyone thinking Im better than anyone, because im not. Im sure there is more people on this site more knowledgeable with baseball than I am. I just dont want you to think im a cocky sob. I apologize if I pissed anyone off.

Edited September 12, 2006 by baseball7897

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I second what Tim just wrote. I'll freely admit I didn't have the talent you have to play the game. That being said, I did the best with what I could and when I quit playing in high school, I worked as the student assistant coach my senior year and kept working with the team while in college. I've watched somewhere near 200 games a year for the past couple of years as long as well as have read as much as I can from books from the saber approach as well as those containing conventional wisdom.

 

Take no offense, but just having talent to play does not equate with knowledge. Playing gives you a perspective, but that perspective is only part of the equation.

 

I never said I had the advantage of playing the game. I do believe I have enough knowledge to understand the game. Although im not really good sometimes in explaning things, I do feel I know what I am talking about. My opinion obviously differs from the majority of the people on here though. I dont want anyone thinking Im better than anyone, because im not. Dick Mill's program really gave me alot of knowledge about the game.

 

When you use your experience as a player and then refer to others as "stats geeks" and comment that we should "watch the game" you are doing just that.

 

Would you be offended if I called you a dumb jock? That's the flip side of your stats geek, watch the game comment.

[baseball7897]

I second what Tim just wrote. I'll freely admit I didn't have the talent you have to play the game. That being said, I did the best with what I could and when I quit playing in high school, I worked as the student assistant coach my senior year and kept working with the team while in college. I've watched somewhere near 200 games a year for the past couple of years as long as well as have read as much as I can from books from the saber approach as well as those containing conventional wisdom.

 

Take no offense, but just having talent to play does not equate with knowledge. Playing gives you a perspective, but that perspective is only part of the equation.

 

I never said I had the advantage of playing the game. I do believe I have enough knowledge to understand the game. Although im not really good sometimes in explaning things, I do feel I know what I am talking about. My opinion obviously differs from the majority of the people on here though. I dont want anyone thinking Im better than anyone, because im not. Dick Mill's program really gave me alot of knowledge about the game.

 

When you use your experience as a player and then refer to others as "stats geeks" and comment that we should "watch the game" you are doing just that.

Would you be offended if I called you a dumb jock? That's the flip side of your stats geek, watch the game comment.

 

I never said anything about how you, or anyone else should watch the game. Someone made a comment to me that suggested I should watch the game.

[Rob]

No they are not. Let me guess, you're going to be using VORP and that other garbage to judge Molina? Stats dont tell you everything. Playing and watching are 2 different things. I hate it when people just use some meaningless stats like VORP to judge a player. Average, Hr, RBI's, OBP, and fielding% are a good way to judge a player in my book.

 

Was your book written by a children's author?

 

My book was written with baseball knowledge. I dont like how stat geeks think they know what they are talking about. All they go by is stats, they dont see the things that happen that dont get recorded in a baseball stat book. For example: a runner at 2b with no outs, the hitter hits the ball to the to the right side of the infield. That is considered a great AB by a person who knowledges the game more than a stat geek. Stat geeks would classify that AB has a worthless AB.

 

To be fair to the man, his more inflamatory comments may have been caused by a wicked potshot I delivered.

 

I would like to apologize for that comment. I simply became rather aggrivated after making a few well thought out and articulated arguments, and saw you coming back with nothing but more rhetoric and anecdotal evidence.

 

For what it's worth, I do see where all of your arguments come from. I had been indoctrinated with the same things throughout all my years of playing ball (a career cut tragically short by varsity football blowing my knee out on three separate occassions, causing me to miss baseball season rehabbing even though I was penciled in every season as the #3 or 4 hitter in the lineup, playing first or third base on a team that had a bunch of people go on to play college ball)

 

I don't see the use of statistics as a substitute for good old baseball knowledge. It's simply another avenue of perception.

 

Akin to the political world... watching only Fox News or only CNN isn't going to show you the truth. It's only going to cloud your vision with propoganda. The truth is in there somewhere... a happy medium.

[baseball7897]

No they are not. Let me guess, you're going to be using VORP and that other garbage to judge Molina? Stats dont tell you everything. Playing and watching are 2 different things. I hate it when people just use some meaningless stats like VORP to judge a player. Average, Hr, RBI's, OBP, and fielding% are a good way to judge a player in my book.

 

Was your book written by a children's author?

 

My book was written with baseball knowledge. I dont like how stat geeks think they know what they are talking about. All they go by is stats, they dont see the things that happen that dont get recorded in a baseball stat book. For example: a runner at 2b with no outs, the hitter hits the ball to the to the right side of the infield. That is considered a great AB by a person who knowledges the game more than a stat geek. Stat geeks would classify that AB has a worthless AB.

 

To be fair to the man, his more inflamatory comments may have been caused by a wicked potshot I delivered.

 

I would like to apologize for that comment. I simply became rather aggrivated after making a few well thought out and articulated arguments, and saw you coming back with nothing but more rhetoric and anecdotal evidence.

 

For what it's worth, I do see where all of your arguments come from. I had been indoctrinated with the same things throughout all my years of playing ball (a career cut tragically short by varsity football blowing my knee out on three separate occassions, causing me to miss baseball season rehabbing even though I was penciled in every season as the #3 or 4 hitter in the lineup, playing first or third base on a team that had a bunch of people go on to play college ball)

 

I don't see the use of statistics as a substitute for good old baseball knowledge. It's simply another avenue of perception.

 

Akin to the political world... watching only Fox News or only CNN isn't going to show you the truth. It's only going to cloud your vision with propoganda. The truth is in there somewhere... a happy medium.

 

I dont want you to think im single minded, lol. I use stats to judge players, but I dont use stats to judge everything about the game of baseball.

[UK1679666180]

You can play in as many games or watch as many games as the body can take, but if you don't know what to look for, it most likely isn't doing you any good.

 

I've never understood this idea that you'll learn less from watching half the games compared to all of the games.

 

Baseball is about feel, like everything else those who are gifted will go further than those aren't. Give two people a book to read and give the same test (assuming they read it and had the same attention span), one will do better than the other for the same reason some can incorporate more about baseball than others.

 

Nobody is right and nobody is wrong.

[Guest]

wow, feel good post of the year goes to UK!

 

unfortunately, you are wrong! :D

 

Stats add more information - to ignore them is just silly. its like studying for an exam but only looking at the pictures.

[NCCubFan]

Stats add more information - to ignore them is just silly. its like studying for an exam but only looking at the pictures.

You mean you're supposed to actually read the book?

 

Some of my students could learn something from your post. :lol:

[Guest]

Stats add more information - to ignore them is just silly. its like studying for an exam but only looking at the pictures.

You mean you're supposed to actually read the book?

 

Some of my students could learn something from your post. :lol:

 

nah, they'd never read it!