Assesment on Hill, so far?

[VanceJergins]

looking back, maybe it's for the best that he was kept away from baker for most of 2006.

 

Too bad we couldn't have kept Prior in the minors for an extra 4 years.

 

Or kept Baker out of Chicago for the past 4.

 

Touche

[Balsa]

I know the general consesus around here was that we all expected Rich Hill to be a good pitcher this year, I know I did.

 

The question I'm asking though is did anyone on here expect him to be THIS dominant?

 

I personally thought he'd win the first 3 games, but I was expecting an ERA somewhere between 2.00-3.00, no more than 3.50.

 

Rich Hill has been absolutely remarkable, unfrotunately he doesn't have the hype of Felix or Daisuke to be getting any major attention. It's sad.

 

But seriously, did anyone expect his ability to be this great so early? Like I said I expected him to be good, but this blows my very favorable prediction out of the water

I expected him to be the #2 ace, but this is really amazing.

 

Not to piss on anyone's parade, but also remember how Maddux started the year last year.....We must take caution in April statistics...

[abuck1220]

I know the general consesus around here was that we all expected Rich Hill to be a good pitcher this year, I know I did.

 

The question I'm asking though is did anyone on here expect him to be THIS dominant?

 

I personally thought he'd win the first 3 games, but I was expecting an ERA somewhere between 2.00-3.00, no more than 3.50.

 

Rich Hill has been absolutely remarkable, unfrotunately he doesn't have the hype of Felix or Daisuke to be getting any major attention. It's sad.

 

But seriously, did anyone expect his ability to be this great so early? Like I said I expected him to be good, but this blows my very favorable prediction out of the water

I expected him to be the #2 ace, but this is really amazing.

 

Not to piss on anyone's parade, but also remember how Maddux started the year last year.....We must take caution in April statistics...

 

not really the same situation.

[soccer10k]

isn't he old-ISH? 27 I seem to remember?

 

I didn't follow him in the minors. Knew he struck folks out and developed a wicked curve. Has he been in our system his whole career?

 

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/H/rich-hill.shtml

 

 

Oldish perhaps. But 27 isn't old at all when you're talking about a pitcher emerging as a reliable arm. Pitchers do tend to peak later than hitters. The Cubs probably could have had him in the majors and succeeding in 2005, and definitely 2006, if it wasn't for their silly usage patterns with him.

 

And just think, if he was Hispanic, we would find out at some point this year or in the offseason after the year that he's actually 32.

[third eye]

I know the general consesus around here was that we all expected Rich Hill to be a good pitcher this year, I know I did.

 

The question I'm asking though is did anyone on here expect him to be THIS dominant?

 

I personally thought he'd win the first 3 games, but I was expecting an ERA somewhere between 2.00-3.00, no more than 3.50.

 

Rich Hill has been absolutely remarkable, unfrotunately he doesn't have the hype of Felix or Daisuke to be getting any major attention. It's sad.

 

But seriously, did anyone expect his ability to be this great so early? Like I said I expected him to be good, but this blows my very favorable prediction out of the water

I expected him to be the #2 ace, but this is really amazing.

 

Not to piss on anyone's parade, but also remember how Maddux started the year last year.....We must take caution in April statistics...

 

not really the same situation.

 

While I generally agree with taking a cautious approach to april stats, the difference here is how thoroughly Hill is dominating hitters. The numbers, particularly WHIP and K/BB are outstanding. Greg Maddux had the wins and a great ERA, but even he admitted that he was getting lucky in a number of the games. That caught up with him later on. With Hill, hitters are looking totally clueless up there. There doesnt need to be luck involved because they aren't even making real contact. He obviously wont continue at the current pace, but he shouldnt regress as far as Gregg Maddux did. Also, he does have the previous half season of dominant performances to suggest this is not a fluke.

[TruffleShuffle]

here's my most prophetic statement about Hill... though my optimism was guarded (as it should always be for any Cub fan):

 

There has been a lot of hand-wringing about the Cubs not having a #2 starter, but other than paying out the butt for Zito or Schmidt, the Cubs' most realistic chance at having a legitimate #2 is Rich Hill. A lot of people just make him out to be a #4 starter or something, and I don't see it at all.

 

He's either been great or bad depending on his control. I think he's either a #2, borderline #1, or he bombs and can't stick in the rotation. There's really not a lot of in between for him. I'm petrified to predict that he'll be great this year, but I really can see him having a fantastic 2007. His stuff is that good.

[Careless]

era+ at 972.

 

i think that deserves a :shock:

 

Is there a max?

if it was 0, you'd see the same thing that's on my avatar, I suspect

[TruffleShuffle]

what's funny is that the greatest success of the jim hendry era may end up being his recognition of rich hill's talent, and his refusal to trade hill when a lot of people had already written him off

[TruffleShuffle]

Topic: Can anyone explain what people see in Rich Hill?

 

 

oooh oooh i can answer this one!

[TruffleShuffle]

that's my dog

[TruffleShuffle]

John Sickels on Hill

 

I really don't understand his thinking. IMO, I think he's reluctant to admit that he was wrong about Rich -- when BA was talking a lot about his potential, and when they gave him a strong rating after his breakthrough 2005 season, Sickels was still pretty down on him. Now with the exception of a small handful of games with the big club, he's been lights out for the better part of two years.

 

He says he wants to see more than half a year of good major-league performance out of him, but the way he's pitched in late 2006 and early this year is completely in line with how he pitched in the minors. It's time to recognize that the guy we see on the mound today is not the same guy who couldn't find the strike zone with any regularity from 2002-2004.

[imb]

What's wrong with Hill?

 

His ERA has doubled today, is something wrong? (Shoulder/elbow maybe?)

 

Should I have started a new topic for this? I mean, it's doubled to 1.00 today, next time, what? 2.00? Then what? 4.00? 8.00? Where do we draw the line?

[Jazz]

What's wrong with Hill?

 

His ERA has doubled today, is something wrong? (Shoulder/elbow maybe?)

 

Should I have started a new topic for this? I mean, it's doubled to 1.00 today, next time, what? 2.00? Then what? 4.00? 8.00? Where do we draw the line?

OH NOES ITLL BE 576.767,188 BY THE END OF THE YEAR~! BENCH HIM BEFORE ITS TOO LATE

[imb]

What's wrong with Hill?

 

His ERA has doubled today, is something wrong? (Shoulder/elbow maybe?)

 

Should I have started a new topic for this? I mean, it's doubled to 1.00 today, next time, what? 2.00? Then what? 4.00? 8.00? Where do we draw the line?

OH NOES ITLL BE 576.767,188 BY THE END OF THE YEAR~! BENCH HIM BEFORE ITS TOO LATE

 

AAAA Hill just gave up another home run, send him to iowa to get the kinks worked out

[Chris]

Better check his mechanics. [/sarcasm]

[Mephistopheles]

What's wrong with Hill?

 

His ERA has doubled today, is something wrong? (Shoulder/elbow maybe?)

 

Should I have started a new topic for this? I mean, it's doubled to 1.00 today, next time, what? 2.00? Then what? 4.00? 8.00? Where do we draw the line?

OH NOES ITLL BE 576.767,188 BY THE END OF THE YEAR~! BENCH HIM BEFORE ITS TOO LATE

 

AAAA Hill just gave up another home run, send him to iowa to get the kinks worked out

thank god we're not the phils.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

What's wrong with Hill?

 

His ERA has doubled today, is something wrong? (Shoulder/elbow maybe?)

 

Should I have started a new topic for this? I mean, it's doubled to 1.00 today, next time, what? 2.00? Then what? 4.00? 8.00? Where do we draw the line?

 

Doubled? Damn near quadrupled. Send him to Andrews for a scope.

[Derwood]

even with the loss tonight, is there any doubt this guy is the NL Pitcher of the Month?

[Soriano12]

Hell, Hill could have thrown another Gem tonight and it wouldn't have mattered wtih this pathetic choke job offense.

[CubColtPacer]

even with the loss tonight, is there any doubt this guy is the NL Pitcher of the Month?

 

There is little chance that Hill gets pitcher of the month now.

 

Tim Hudson is 3-0 in 4 GS with an 0.62 ERA

Brad Penny is 3-0 in 4 GS with a 1.37 ERA

 

Those two are probably the favorites right now-Hill, Cain, John Maine, Jason Marquis, Kyle Lohse, and Tim Gorzellany have outside shots if those 2 struggle.

[soccer10k]

Screw sending him to AAA, he should never play professional baseball at any level ever again. Edited May 1, 2007 by soccer10k

[TruffleShuffle]

good luck tonight rich!

 

wish i could go to the game, but unfortunately i have to work at 10, and pittsburgh is almost a three hour haul from state college

[Brian]

needs repeating from the game thread

 

KING OF THE HILL

Since his recall from Triple-A Iowa on July 27, 2006, Rich Hill is 9-3 with a 2.57 ERA (31 ER/108.2 IP) and a .191 batting average against in 17 appearances (16 starts).

MAJOR LEAGUE ERA LEADERS, SINCE JULY 27, 2006

Rank Pitcher ERA
1. Jake Peavy, SD 2.36
2. Rich Hill, CHI 2.57
3. Andy Pettitte, H/NYY 2.62
4. C.C. Sabathia, CLE 2.66
5. Johan Santana, MIN 2.67

LOWEST OPPONENTS’ BATTING AVERAGE IN MAJORS SINCE JULY 27, 2006

Rank Pitcher BAA
1. Rich Hill, CHI .191
2. Matt Cain, SF .194
3. Johan Santana, MIN .207
4. Jake Peavy,SD .211
5. Cole Hamels, PHI .231

(Min.100IP)

Edited April 30, 2007 by Brian

[Ding Dong Johnson]

2.57??? .191??? BUM!

[seanimal]

2.57??? .191??? BUM!

 

:lol: