Will Carroll Source: Prior's 2006 Injury = Wood's 2005

[Mephistopheles]

From his latest UTK column:

 

Will Carroll/Baseball Prospectus[/url]"]The Cubs are also talking about an opinion they received about Mark Prior’s shoulder. Two words have them wondering about Prior next season: Kerry Wood. A source tells me that the Cubs were told that Prior’s shoulder injury in 2006 is virtually identical to the one that Wood had at the end of 2005, we all know how that story ends.

A subscription is needed, so I don't want to post too much. There's also a little blurb about Lee and how this return is better than last year. He's also saying O'Malley might have blown out his elbow.

[WindyCity]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Soriano12]

Prior should be counted on only as a 5th starter in 07...if that.

 

This is what must be done

 

Sign Zito

 

(that Yankees will probably be to busy luring Daisuke so the

Cubs main competition for Zito will be the Muts. Its time for Hendry and

MacPhail and the Tribune to step up and nail a big name FA. I'm sick

of losing out on the Beltran's and Tejada's)

 

Sign one of these guys. Meche/Padilla/Eaton as a #3 starter.

 

This is your rotation for 07

 

Zambrano

Zito

Meche/Padilla/Eaton

Marshall

Prior

 

if(or should I say when Prior gets hurt..Marmol or Rich Hill can slide into the #5 role)

 

If Hendry counts on Prior for the top end of the rotation he is a moron.

Edited August 23, 2006 by Soriano12

[C.C.]

Prior should be counted on only as a 5th starter in 07...if that.

 

This is what must be done

 

Sign Zito

 

(that Yankees will probably be to busy luring Daisuke so the

Cubs main competition for Zito will be the Muts. Its time for Hendry and

MacPhail and the Tribune to step up and nail a big name FA. I'm sick

of losing out on the Beltran's and Tejada's)

 

Sign one of these guys. Meche/Padilla/Eaton as a #3 starter.

 

This is your rotation for 07

 

Zambrano

Zito

Meche/Padilla/Eaton

Marshall

Prior

 

if(or should I say when Prior gets hurt..Marshall or Rich Hill can slide into the #5 role)

 

If Hendry counts on Prior for the top end of the rotation he is a moron.

 

That will not happen. If you get in a bidding war with the Yanks you are going to lose...

[Soriano12]

Prior should be counted on only as a 5th starter in 07...if that.

 

This is what must be done

 

Sign Zito

 

(that Yankees will probably be to busy luring Daisuke so the

Cubs main competition for Zito will be the Muts. Its time for Hendry and

MacPhail and the Tribune to step up and nail a big name FA. I'm sick

of losing out on the Beltran's and Tejada's)

 

Sign one of these guys. Meche/Padilla/Eaton as a #3 starter.

 

This is your rotation for 07

 

Zambrano

Zito

Meche/Padilla/Eaton

Marshall

Prior

 

if(or should I say when Prior gets hurt..Marshall or Rich Hill can slide into the #5 role)

 

If Hendry counts on Prior for the top end of the rotation he is a moron.

 

That will not happen. If you get in a bidding war with the Yanks you are going to lose...

 

I think we would be in a bidding war with Mets for Zito. The Yankees appear locked in on Daisuke..

 

If the Yankees get both Daisuke and Zito...they need to just disband Major

League Baseball.

[Iceblink]

If you're Zito and you can pick between teams that are run well, have won recently, and haven't had many injured pitchers...and the Cubs, would you take the Cubs? (Assume you're not a die-hard Cubs fan like we are.)

 

Meche or Eaton wouldn't be terrible. I'm not sure a contending team would have either of them at #3, but we aren't close to contending, anyway.

 

I've read a couple things recently saying Padilla is a "punk", mostly related to the brawl last week. Not sure how much creedence to put in that yet.

[Chocolate Milk]

Cue circus music.

[Soriano12]

If you're Zito and you can pick between teams that are run well, have won recently, and haven't had many injured pitchers...and the Cubs, would you take the Cubs? (Assume you're not a die-hard Cubs fan like we are.)

 

 

Money still talks in this game. We would have to overpay.

 

If the Muts offered 14/season the Cubs would have to offer 16-17/season.

 

What other choice do the Cubs have at this point? Hendry has put the Cubs

in this position. Now going into 2007 the Cubs have a gaping whole in that rotation. I would rather overpay with $$$$ than prospects(see the Juan Pierre trade)

[UMFan83]

Nice knowing you Prior. Should never have signed with the Cubs...

[Soriano12]

There needs to be an investigation of every coach/instructor

for the Cubs orgainzation from the major league level down: aaa>aa>a>a

rookie ball etc.

 

what the hell is going on! Investigate the training staffs, analyze pitch counts.

why do the Cubs have more pitching injuries than any other team in baseball.

 

Sadly there is no one capbable of this.

Hendry is too busy tearing apart the major league ball club, and all McFailure knows how to do is kiss corporate butts.

 

In summary, the Cubs organiztion is pretty much screwed. So drink up...we'll need it.

[motowncubfan]

At this point NOTHING would surprise me about Prior next year. He could:

 

(a) win the Cy next year, having better conditioned himself in the offseason (i.e., more throwing, as he has recently said he plans to do during the offseason).

(b) find out at some point in the offseason or next spring that he does have some serious shoulder issues like Wood, and require 1+ years of surgery/rehab, and maybe never pitch for the Cubs again (not sure how long he's under club control?).

© have the same problems he's been having in 2006 next pring, and just plain never figure out how to get back to the form he showed in 2003.

 

At this point, I have no freaking clue.

[jtownie]

so which injury does Prior have? The one that caused Wood to have labrum surgery or the one that Kremcheck didn't even check? Just curious.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

Draft Tex.

[C.C.]

If the Muts offered 14/season the Cubs would have to offer 16-17/season.

 

LOL! No way, no how would the Cubs pay Zito 16-17 a year! We are talking the Cubs here...

[USSoccer]

If the Muts offered 14/season the Cubs would have to offer 16-17/season.

 

LOL! No way, no how would the Cubs pay Zito 16-17 a year! We are talking the Cubs here...

 

Nor should they. Zito isn't worth that much. Paying him more than $10m per is a stretch.

[C.C.]

If the Muts offered 14/season the Cubs would have to offer 16-17/season.

 

LOL! No way, no how would the Cubs pay Zito 16-17 a year! We are talking the Cubs here...

 

Nor should they. Zito isn't worth that much. Paying him more than $10m per is a stretch.

 

First things first, lock down Z for the next 4 years and make sure RAM doesn't opt out of his contract...Zito will get more the 10 million a year for sure. He'll top out at 14-15 a year...

[USSoccer]

If the Muts offered 14/season the Cubs would have to offer 16-17/season.

 

LOL! No way, no how would the Cubs pay Zito 16-17 a year! We are talking the Cubs here...

 

Nor should they. Zito isn't worth that much. Paying him more than $10m per is a stretch.

 

First things first, lock down Z for the next 4 years and make sure RAM doesn't opt out of his contract...Zito will get more the 10 million a year for sure. He'll top out at 14-15 a year...

 

Which means you look elsewhere to bolster your rotation. Zito and Schmidt may be the biggest names on the FA market, but they aren't necessarily the best values.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

A big thank you to Marcus Giles, Brad Hawpe, and most importantly, Dusty Baker. Without you ruining Prior wouldn't have been possible.

[C.C.]

If the Muts offered 14/season the Cubs would have to offer 16-17/season.

 

LOL! No way, no how would the Cubs pay Zito 16-17 a year! We are talking the Cubs here...

 

Nor should they. Zito isn't worth that much. Paying him more than $10m per is a stretch.

 

First things first, lock down Z for the next 4 years and make sure RAM doesn't opt out of his contract...Zito will get more the 10 million a year for sure. He'll top out at 14-15 a year...

 

Which means you look elsewhere to bolster your rotation. Zito and Schmidt may be the biggest names on the FA market, but they aren't necessarily the best values.

 

No doubt about it!

[David]

No, thank you on Zito. Schmidt, please.

[FergieJ31]

A big thank you to Marcus Giles, Brad Hawpe, and most importantly, Dusty Baker. Without you ruining Prior wouldn't have been possible.

 

No flames please, just going to throw out another potential factor: steroids and/or HGG.

 

There is certainly some circumstantial evidence: Prior's longtime association with Tom House and Tom House's admitted substance use.

 

As I said, no flames. I'm not asserting he did or didn't, but the evidence is worth addressing. Thoughts anyone?

[C.C.]

A big thank you to Marcus Giles, Brad Hawpe, and most importantly, Dusty Baker. Without you ruining Prior wouldn't have been possible.

 

No flames please, just going to throw out another potential factor: steroids and/or HGG.

 

There is certainly some circumstantial evidence: Prior's longtime association with Tom House and Tom House's admitted substance use.

 

As I said, no flames. I'm not asserting he did or didn't, but the evidence is worth addressing. Thoughts anyone?

 

At this point nothing should be ruled out...

[Soriano12]

I have no idea why people throw in the phrase "he isn't worth the money"

when referring to Bary Zito. He had 1 off season(2004)

 

other than 04 he has never had an ERA above 3.86.

 

He has proven to be one of the most durable pitchers in baseball as well.

 

IMO is easily deserving of b/t 12-16 mil a season. and he will get it.

[C.C.]

IMO is easily deserving of b/t 12-16 mil a season. and he will get it.

 

He'll get that easy, but it won't be from the Cubs...

[Soriano12]

IMO is easily deserving of b/t 12-16 mil a season. and he will get it.

 

He'll get that easy, but it won't be from the Cubs...

 

Its too bad. Best money the Cubs could spend.