scott podsednik

[Magnetic Curses]

yes, it's true, he's a better free agent option than pierre--and would be better served to move back to center, as the angles in left don't seem to be treating him too well.

 

OBP is decent, IsoD is great. he's fast and he's got patience. he's devalued right now, this offseason would be the perfect time to snatch him up.

[SouthSideRyan]

Podsednik was pretty bad in CF for the Brewers. The White Sox refuse to play him there cause they think he's so bad. And they play Mackowiak out there who's Sammy '00 bad out there.

[goonys evil twin]

No interest.

[mg420]

i would much rather have pierre back.

[baseball7897]

Podthetic is worse than Pierre. He is not a option.

[Magnetic Curses]

Podthetic is worse than Pierre. He is not a option.

 

offensively, he's far superior to pierre, who actually is quite pathetic.

[CubColtPacer]

Podthetic is worse than Pierre. He is not a option.

 

offensively, he's far superior to pierre, who actually is quite pathetic.

 

He's not far superior..38 points better in OPS this year, 20 points better last year-Posednik's last year is the same as this year for Pierre, and this year for Posednik is his best year in his last 3. Also, Posednik had his hot streak earlier in the season and Pierre is still going on his, so that gap could easily close to 20 points or so very quickly. When their stats are that close, you have to look at the other things that they bring to the table, and Pierre is better in every other category.

[goonys evil twin]

Podthetic is worse than Pierre. He is not a option.

 

offensively, he's far superior to pierre, who actually is quite pathetic.

 

Neither is good.

Pods has a career OPS+ of 92 with 112, 79 and 86 the past 2 years.

Pierre is at 87, with 98, 107 and 84 the past two years. Their careers OBPs are .345 (sp) and .355 (jp). Pods peaked at 27, Pierre peaked at 26.

 

Neither is a good option.

Edited August 3, 2006 by goony's evil twin

[goonys evil twin]

When their stats are that close, you have to look at the other things that they bring to the table, and Pierre is better in every other category.

 

In what way shape or form?

[CubColtPacer]

When their stats are that close, you have to look at the other things that they bring to the table, and Pierre is better in every other category.

 

In what way shape or form?

 

Well, Pierre is considered to be a marginally bigger threat on the bases than Posednik. Also, as much as we have been upset at Pierre for how he plays center, Posednik is that much worse. When their offensive games are so similar, the tiebreaker should either be amount of contract (which I don't know what either of them will ask for) or their other attributes, which Pierre is better at. It would still be a very close call between the two players, but the fact that a natural center fielder by both speed and the limited offense that Podsednik brings was moved to left is a telling sign I think.

[goonys evil twin]

When their stats are that close, you have to look at the other things that they bring to the table, and Pierre is better in every other category.

 

In what way shape or form?

 

Well, Pierre is considered to be a marginally bigger threat on the bases than Posednik. Also, as much as we have been upset at Pierre for how he plays center, Posednik is that much worse. When their offensive games are so similar, the tiebreaker should either be amount of contract (which I don't know what either of them will ask for) or their other attributes, which Pierre is better at. It would still be a very close call between the two players, but the fact that a natural center fielder by both speed and the limited offense that Podsednik brings was moved to left is a telling sign I think.

 

Considered to be marginally bigger threat on the bases? By whom? Pods is more successful stealing. And he makes considerably less money. You can't just claim Pierre is "better in every category" and expect not to be called on that completely made up and arbitrary statement.

 

 

 

 

We need to stop talking about these two. If either is on the Cubs it would suck, since they both suck.

[CubColtPacer]

When their stats are that close, you have to look at the other things that they bring to the table, and Pierre is better in every other category.

 

In what way shape or form?

 

Well, Pierre is considered to be a marginally bigger threat on the bases than Posednik. Also, as much as we have been upset at Pierre for how he plays center, Posednik is that much worse. When their offensive games are so similar, the tiebreaker should either be amount of contract (which I don't know what either of them will ask for) or their other attributes, which Pierre is better at. It would still be a very close call between the two players, but the fact that a natural center fielder by both speed and the limited offense that Podsednik brings was moved to left is a telling sign I think.

 

Considered to be marginally bigger threat on the bases? By whom? Pods is more successful stealing. And he makes considerably less money. You can't just claim Pierre is "better in every category" and expect not to be called on that completely made up and arbitrary statement.

 

 

I'm fine with being called out-especially since Pierre has been more successful at stealing bases each of the last 2 seasons.

 

2005-Podsednik-59 steals, 23 times caught

Pierre- 57 steals, 17 times caught

2006-Podsednik-30 steals, 13 times caught

Pierre- 38 steals, 12 times caught

 

Podsednik's percentage is going down and is getting caught much more frequently than earlier in his career, while Pierre is staying level to his career. So yes, Pierre is now considered to be marginally better on the basepaths.

[PrimeTime]

Scott is terrible in the field.. I jsut plain hate the guy in a Neifi sort of way... I could never cheer for the guy if he became a Cub.. He dosent deserve to wear cubbie blue

[RationalSoxFan]

If you're caught that much, you really shouldn't be running. Both are running themselves into outs and Pods has been picked off EIGHT FREAKING TIMES. He sucks in that regard, but is being very patient at the plate.

 

I'll take Pods over Pierre, though.

 

P/PA

Juan Pierre- 3.55

Scott Podsednik- 4.11

 

That being said, I want the Sox to thank him for his contributions by letting him get a large contract with a stupid team.

[Magnetic Curses]

Podthetic is worse than Pierre. He is not a option.

 

offensively, he's far superior to pierre, who actually is quite pathetic.

 

He's not far superior..38 points better in OPS this year, 20 points better last year-Posednik's last year is the same as this year for Pierre, and this year for Posednik is his best year in his last 3. Also, Posednik had his hot streak earlier in the season and Pierre is still going on his

 

for a leadoff man, pierre does not walk enough, his IsoD is terrible. podsednik has recently discovered that fearing the strikeout is futile, and has shrunk his own strike zone. if pierre ever learned to stop swinging at everything close to the zone, he would be the better leadoff man, as it is, he's a 8th spot hitter, imo.

[C.C.]

When their stats are that close, you have to look at the other things that they bring to the table, and Pierre is better in every other category.

 

In what way shape or form?

 

Well, Pierre is considered to be a marginally bigger threat on the bases than Posednik. Also, as much as we have been upset at Pierre for how he plays center, Posednik is that much worse. When their offensive games are so similar, the tiebreaker should either be amount of contract (which I don't know what either of them will ask for) or their other attributes, which Pierre is better at. It would still be a very close call between the two players, but the fact that a natural center fielder by both speed and the limited offense that Podsednik brings was moved to left is a telling sign I think.

 

Considered to be marginally bigger threat on the bases? By whom? Pods is more successful stealing. And he makes considerably less money. You can't just claim Pierre is "better in every category" and expect not to be called on that completely made up and arbitrary statement.

 

 

I'm fine with being called out-especially since Pierre has been more successful at stealing bases each of the last 2 seasons.

 

2005-Podsednik-59 steals, 23 times caught

Pierre- 57 steals, 17 times caught

2006-Podsednik-30 steals, 13 times caught

Pierre- 38 steals, 12 times caught

 

Podsednik's percentage is going down and is getting caught much more frequently than earlier in his career, while Pierre is staying level to his career. So yes, Pierre is now considered to be marginally better on the basepaths.

 

Great post and I didn't realize that at all.

[Magnetic Curses]

When their stats are that close, you have to look at the other things that they bring to the table, and Pierre is better in every other category.

 

In what way shape or form?

 

Well, Pierre is considered to be a marginally bigger threat on the bases than Posednik. Also, as much as we have been upset at Pierre for how he plays center, Posednik is that much worse. When their offensive games are so similar, the tiebreaker should either be amount of contract (which I don't know what either of them will ask for) or their other attributes, which Pierre is better at. It would still be a very close call between the two players, but the fact that a natural center fielder by both speed and the limited offense that Podsednik brings was moved to left is a telling sign I think.

 

Considered to be marginally bigger threat on the bases? By whom? Pods is more successful stealing. And he makes considerably less money. You can't just claim Pierre is "better in every category" and expect not to be called on that completely made up and arbitrary statement.

 

 

I'm fine with being called out-especially since Pierre has been more successful at stealing bases each of the last 2 seasons.

 

2005-Podsednik-59 steals, 23 times caught

Pierre- 57 steals, 17 times caught

2006-Podsednik-30 steals, 13 times caught

Pierre- 38 steals, 12 times caught

 

Podsednik's percentage is going down and is getting caught much more frequently than earlier in his career, while Pierre is staying level to his career. So yes, Pierre is now considered to be marginally better on the basepaths.

 

Great post and I didn't realize that at all.

 

perfect example of why small-ball doesn't work--even with fast players. giving up outs by needlessly trying to steal is stupid.

 

there are only a few guys in the league whom i'd give the perpetual green light to, and neither of these guys is one of them.

 

the stealing is not what i like about podsednik, it's his plate discipline--which is much more important than speed or steals or bunting the runner over.

[KaiserCesar]

When their stats are that close, you have to look at the other things that they bring to the table, and Pierre is better in every other category.

 

In what way shape or form?

 

Well, Pierre is considered to be a marginally bigger threat on the bases than Posednik. Also, as much as we have been upset at Pierre for how he plays center, Posednik is that much worse. When their offensive games are so similar, the tiebreaker should either be amount of contract (which I don't know what either of them will ask for) or their other attributes, which Pierre is better at. It would still be a very close call between the two players, but the fact that a natural center fielder by both speed and the limited offense that Podsednik brings was moved to left is a telling sign I think.

 

Considered to be marginally bigger threat on the bases? By whom? Pods is more successful stealing. And he makes considerably less money. You can't just claim Pierre is "better in every category" and expect not to be called on that completely made up and arbitrary statement.

 

 

I'm fine with being called out-especially since Pierre has been more successful at stealing bases each of the last 2 seasons.

 

2005-Podsednik-59 steals, 23 times caught

Pierre- 57 steals, 17 times caught

2006-Podsednik-30 steals, 13 times caught

Pierre- 38 steals, 12 times caught

 

Podsednik's percentage is going down and is getting caught much more frequently than earlier in his career, while Pierre is staying level to his career. So yes, Pierre is now considered to be marginally better on the basepaths.

 

Great post and I didn't realize that at all.

 

perfect example of why small-ball doesn't work--even with fast players. giving up outs by needlessly trying to steal is stupid.

 

there are only a few guys in the league whom i'd give the perpetual green light to, and neither of these guys is one of them.

 

the stealing is not what i like about podsednik, it's his plate discipline--which is much more important than speed or steals or bunting the runner over.

 

Yeah, but you also have to pay $ for the speed. As a left fielder, his production is terrible and as a center fielder he is horrible defensively. Also he is at the age where he'll still be looking to be locked up for multi-year (bad for Pie) unlike a guy like Dave Roberts who gives you similar production, but for 1 year and cheap.

[Magnetic Curses]

Yeah, but you also have to pay $ for the speed. As a left fielder, his production is terrible and as a center fielder he is horrible defensively. Also he is at the age where he'll still be looking to be locked up for multi-year (bad for Pie) unlike a guy like Dave Roberts who gives you similar production, but for 1 year and cheap.

 

i'd never pay podsednik to come here and play left field, that would be pretty terrible, but i don't think he'd be as terrible as everyone thinks out in center--playing center is easier than a corner position if one possesses speed. it's simply the perception that center is tougher to play that has stopped ozzie from playing podsednik there.

 

good point on roberts, though.

[CubColtPacer]

When their stats are that close, you have to look at the other things that they bring to the table, and Pierre is better in every other category.

 

In what way shape or form?

 

Well, Pierre is considered to be a marginally bigger threat on the bases than Posednik. Also, as much as we have been upset at Pierre for how he plays center, Posednik is that much worse. When their offensive games are so similar, the tiebreaker should either be amount of contract (which I don't know what either of them will ask for) or their other attributes, which Pierre is better at. It would still be a very close call between the two players, but the fact that a natural center fielder by both speed and the limited offense that Podsednik brings was moved to left is a telling sign I think.

 

Considered to be marginally bigger threat on the bases? By whom? Pods is more successful stealing. And he makes considerably less money. You can't just claim Pierre is "better in every category" and expect not to be called on that completely made up and arbitrary statement.

 

 

I'm fine with being called out-especially since Pierre has been more successful at stealing bases each of the last 2 seasons.

 

2005-Podsednik-59 steals, 23 times caught

Pierre- 57 steals, 17 times caught

2006-Podsednik-30 steals, 13 times caught

Pierre- 38 steals, 12 times caught

 

Podsednik's percentage is going down and is getting caught much more frequently than earlier in his career, while Pierre is staying level to his career. So yes, Pierre is now considered to be marginally better on the basepaths.

 

Great post and I didn't realize that at all.

 

perfect example of why small-ball doesn't work--even with fast players. giving up outs by needlessly trying to steal is stupid.

 

there are only a few guys in the league whom i'd give the perpetual green light to, and neither of these guys is one of them.

 

the stealing is not what i like about podsednik, it's his plate discipline--which is much more important than speed or steals or bunting the runner over.

 

If we added each SB to both of these players SLG, and took away each CS from their OBP, both of these players would increase their OPS by a pretty decent margin. Now, I know this is a very rough way to do it-but essentially, this is how it would work-especially for a player like Pierre, who is getting on and stealing bases when there is nobody on before him-so getting a single and stealing second is the same as a double for him. If you get a 20 or so point drop in OBP, isn't that offset by the 80 point increase in slugging?

[Magnetic Curses]

If we added each SB to both of these players SLG, and took away each CS from their OBP, both of these players would increase their OPS by a pretty decent margin. Now, I know this is a very rough way to do it-but essentially, this is how it would work-especially for a player like Pierre, who is getting on and stealing bases when there is nobody on before him-so getting a single and stealing second is the same as a double for him. If you get a 20 or so point drop in OBP, isn't that offset by the 80 point increase in slugging?

 

this doesn't really work because the adjusted doubles don't have nearly the same value as the actual doubles.

 

doubles are generally gap-hits, which are run producers with men on base.

 

you'd have to find a way to accurately weight these adjusted doubles so as to reflect their actual value. you see, statistics in practice isn't just blind numbers. adjustments ARE actually made for certain situations.

[CubColtPacer]

If we added each SB to both of these players SLG, and took away each CS from their OBP, both of these players would increase their OPS by a pretty decent margin. Now, I know this is a very rough way to do it-but essentially, this is how it would work-especially for a player like Pierre, who is getting on and stealing bases when there is nobody on before him-so getting a single and stealing second is the same as a double for him. If you get a 20 or so point drop in OBP, isn't that offset by the 80 point increase in slugging?

 

this doesn't really work because the adjusted doubles don't have nearly the same value as the actual doubles.

 

doubles are generally gap-hits, which are run producers with men on base.

 

Like I said though, it does work for Pierre to a large degree. Pierre doesn't come up all that often with runners on, and he certainly doesn't steal very many bases after getting a single with runners on-either the runner in front of him is the pitcher, who had to stop at 2nd, which doesn't allow Pierre to steal-or the runner is at 2nd already, comes home with Pierre's single-which makes the single just as good as a double. The only situation where they would be different is if you had a runner at 1st base capable of taking 3rd on a single, which doesn't happen that often when Pierre is up. So let's say you can take 10 points off the slugging increase for those circumstances-you're still looking at a 20 point drop in OBP for a 70 point increase in slugging.

[biittner77]

[ if pierre ever learned to stop swinging at everything close to the zone, he would be the better leadoff man, as it is, he's a 8th spot hitter, imo.

 

I think the problem for Pierre is that pitchers are always right around the plate with him. Pierre tries taking pitches and winds up behind in the count. There's no reason to try to get fancy with Pierre; just throw the ball over the plate and let him try to hit it. He has no power. This would tend to explain why his effectiveness is so BABIP dependent.

[Chocolate Milk]

So let's say you can take 10 points off the slugging increase for those circumstances-you're still looking at a 20 point drop in OBP for a 70 point increase in slugging.

 

What was this arbitrary adjustment based on?

[CubColtPacer]

So let's say you can take 10 points off the slugging increase for those circumstances-you're still looking at a 20 point drop in OBP for a 70 point increase in slugging.

 

What was this arbitrary adjustment based on?

 

It's based on adding a base to slugging every time Pierre steals a base and taking away a hit from his OBP every time he gets caught.