Baker WILL not be fired, will finish season

[halplm]

no, not firing him now implies if it's not yet a certainty that they want to extend Dusty. Even if they had to fire the whole staff, they could replace them with other coaches in the system. The bottom line is, if they were moving towards next year, they'd MOVE towards next year.

 

The status quo does no one any good at all.

 

In fact, my guess would be that they've agreed to an extension already, and will wait for a slow news day to announce it in the offseason.

[Fro]

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[frostwyrm]

no, not firing him now implies if it's not yet a certainty that they want to extend Dusty. Even if they had to fire the whole staff, they could replace them with other coaches in the system. The bottom line is, if they were moving towards next year, they'd MOVE towards next year.

 

The status quo does no one any good at all.

 

In fact, my guess would be that they've agreed to an extension already, and will wait for a slow news day to announce it in the offseason.

Agree, if Baker were defintely not being extended then there would be zero reason not to get rid of him immediately. Keeping him through the end of the season only makes sense if an extension is still a possibility. Of course there is also the possibility that Dusty is just finishing the season because Jimbo is a conflict-averse wimp who doesn't have the balls to fire Dusty.

[Laura]

[Hendry] said he was satisfied with the Cubs effort under Baker and his coaches.

 

"As long as I feel like the effort is there, I'm happy they're still going out there to hump it," he said.

 

AWESOME

[MembersOnlyJacket]

Bottom line, wins and losses don't matter to this organization. It's about doing it their way, if that doesn't work, ignore opportunities to get better and keep doing the same thing that led to failure. Stubborn ignorance.

 

Sounds like my manager.

[goonys evil twin]

After all, if he was gonna get extended, they'd do it now, not later.

 

No, they'd wait for the best PC time to announce it, like they did with Hendry's contract after they started the season relatively well. The wheels came off right after that announcement, which was entirely too early for a "let's wait and see how the season comes along" timeline.

[Rusch33]

What's firing him now going to do?

 

Seriously.. it's too late to do anything.

 

Do you want Dick Pole as the Interim Coach?

[goonys evil twin]

What's firing him now going to do?

 

How many times does this question have to be asked and answered?

 

The answer is simple. First, you get rid of the cancer that is Dusty and his staff, which has done nothing but tear down this team and it's players for years now. You get rid of his philosophies and coaching styles. The excuses stop, the attitude changes and you basically just clean-up the huge mess he made. 2nd, you stop wasting time with pieces of trash like Rusch and Neifi consstantly being used because they are the manager's pets. 3rd, you reliever the strain on overworked arms because the manager is so desperate to win today that he'll risk the health of any pitcher he has at his disposal. 4th, you start evaluating for next year, something that cannot be done with Dusty, because he is stuck in the past and refuses to think about next year.

 

 

When you decide to make a change (which the Cubs should have done a long time ago), you make that change immediately, so the lame duck authority figure cannot do anymore damage and you can start fresh.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

It's not so much the managing out of the season that disturbs me (I don't like it, but figured that would happen). It's the growing inevitability that he'll get a contract extension that gets my blood boiling.

 

Agreed. In Baker's four seasons, he has had two average seasons and two horrendous seasons. How does that justify an extension?

 

Knowing Baker, he'll want more money than he has on his current contract. Knowing Hendry, he'll get it.

[Mizzou]

Well, there is one positive in this.

 

Dusty staying means more losses than if he were canned. So we'll at least get a better draft pick.

[Rusch33]

What's firing him now going to do?

 

How many times does this question have to be asked and answered?

 

The answer is simple. First, you get rid of the cancer that is Dusty and his staff, which has done nothing but tear down this team and it's players for years now. You get rid of his philosophies and coaching styles. The excuses stop, the attitude changes and you basically just clean-up the huge mess he made. 2nd, you stop wasting time with pieces of trash like Rusch and Neifi consstantly being used because they are the manager's pets. 3rd, you reliever the strain on overworked arms because the manager is so desperate to win today that he'll risk the health of any pitcher he has at his disposal. 4th, you start evaluating for next year, something that cannot be done with Dusty, because he is stuck in the past and refuses to think about next year.

 

 

When you decide to make a change (which the Cubs should have done a long time ago), you make that change immediately, so the lame duck authority figure cannot do anymore damage and you can start fresh.

 

 

I'm not going to say much about Neifi because unforunately he's hitting better than everyone's boy Cedeno right now.

 

Another rookie bust.

[AR-Baseball-Fan]

The words "Dusty," "Cubs" and "extension" should never be placed in the same sentence with the exception of "Today the Chicago Cubs declined to offer Dusty Baker an extension."

[cubweiser03]

[Hendry] said he was satisfied with the Cubs effort under Baker and his coaches.

 

"As long as I feel like the effort is there, I'm happy they're still going out there to hump it," he said.

 

AWESOME

 

Whoever says that?? Its time for Dusty to 'hump off' now, not later. Stupid Speir pisses me off too, he blew it.

[FloridaCubbie]

I'm extremely pissed.

[wade]

Well, there is one positive in this.

 

Dusty staying means more losses than if he were canned. So we'll at least get a better draft pick.

 

That's a great point!

[MembersOnlyJacket]

Is it possible that Hendry is keeping Dusty on to help justify NOT re-signing him in the offseason ? By that I mean, Hendry chose Dusty, and he needs ammo to go to his bosses after the season and say this guy is just not getting the job done and we need a change. He's not winning. His clubs have gotten worse every year he's been the manager of the Cubs. He's not developing players from the system Hendry re-built. It's one and done for many of the young players. Dusty isn't patient enough to wait for results.

 

This does not absolve Hendry of any guilt in the current Cub situation. He brought in many of these players and put together some awful contracts. But, Dusty asked for more speed in the offseason and a better bullpen. Hendry went out and got that for him. Unfortunately, Hendry did nothing else to help this club and banked it on Wood and Prior holding up the rotation. And, Lee holding the lineup together by doing nothing to acquire a top tier player in the outfield or at SS.

 

I think there is a motive, maybe political, and Baker will not return. It might be wishful thinking, but this is how I optimistically see it.

[dalgreen]

Is it possible that Hendry is keeping Dusty on to help justify NOT re-signing him in the offseason ? By that I mean, Hendry chose Dusty, and he needs ammo to go to his bosses after the season and say this guy is just not getting the job done and we need a change. He's not winning. His clubs have gotten worse every year he's been the manager of the Cubs. He's not developing players from the system Hendry re-built. It's one and done for many of the young players. Dusty isn't patient enough to wait for results.

 

This does not absolve Hendry of any guilt in the current Cub situation. He brought in many of these players and put together some awful contracts. But, Dusty asked for more speed in the offseason and a better bullpen. Hendry went out and got that for him. Unfortunately, Hendry did nothing else to help this club and banked it on Wood and Prior holding up the rotation. And, Lee holding the lineup together by doing nothing to acquire a top tier player in the outfield or at SS.

 

I think there is a motive, maybe political, and Baker will not return. It might be wishful thinking, but this is how I optimistically see it.

 

With all due respect, it sounds as if you're defending Hendry. A lot of people on here know that I can't stand Hendry as much as I can't stand Baker. But I think you're giving Hendry way, way too much credit if you believe he's trying to justify NOT re-signing him. It's Hendry's call to fire him or re-sign him. For the most part, it was his call to hire him. As I've said for three seasons now, Hendry and Baker are two peas in a pod.

 

Regarding the re-built system. I think most of us were fooled into thinking we had a dominant system. Our pitching prospects may have been good, but I can run a list of position players who were just flat out overrated and overvalued.

[badger1679666666]

 

I'm not going to say much about Neifi because unforunately he's hitting better than everyone's boy Cedeno right now.

 

Another rookie bust.

 

This statement is so stupid on so many levels it boggles my mind. It might be beyond stupid.

[Laura]

Let's stick to the topic and not make it personal. Thanks.

[abuck1220]

[Hendry] said he was satisfied with the Cubs effort under Baker and his coaches.

 

"As long as I feel like the effort is there, I'm happy they're still going out there to hump it," he said.

 

AWESOME

 

yes, thank goodness they are still trying. participation ribbons 'round the house.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

Is it possible that Hendry is keeping Dusty on to help justify NOT re-signing him in the offseason ? By that I mean, Hendry chose Dusty, and he needs ammo to go to his bosses after the season and say this guy is just not getting the job done and we need a change. He's not winning. His clubs have gotten worse every year he's been the manager of the Cubs. He's not developing players from the system Hendry re-built. It's one and done for many of the young players. Dusty isn't patient enough to wait for results.

 

This does not absolve Hendry of any guilt in the current Cub situation. He brought in many of these players and put together some awful contracts. But, Dusty asked for more speed in the offseason and a better bullpen. Hendry went out and got that for him. Unfortunately, Hendry did nothing else to help this club and banked it on Wood and Prior holding up the rotation. And, Lee holding the lineup together by doing nothing to acquire a top tier player in the outfield or at SS.

 

I think there is a motive, maybe political, and Baker will not return. It might be wishful thinking, but this is how I optimistically see it.

 

With all due respect, it sounds as if you're defending Hendry. A lot of people on here know that I can't stand Hendry as much as I can't stand Baker. But I think you're giving Hendry way, way too much credit if you believe he's trying to justify NOT re-signing him. It's Hendry's call to fire him or re-sign him. For the most part, it was his call to hire him. As I've said for three seasons now, Hendry and Baker are two peas in a pod.

 

Regarding the re-built system. I think most of us were fooled into thinking we had a dominant system. Our pitching prospects may have been good, but I can run a list of position players who were just flat out overrated and overvalued.

 

I'm not defending Hendry at all, because I think he gave into the idea that speed could win because Podsednik and the "Speedy White Sox" won the World Series. I tried to make that point clear in the second paragraph. He's as guilty as anyone.

 

I disagree that it's Hendry's call only on letting Baker walk. I think there is much more to it.

 

I think there is a fundamental flaw in this organization and would prefer total regime change. Building a team of baseball players as a opposed to track athletes is just a starting point.

 

Instead, I am just presenting a view on how Hendry might be operating to try and continue in a great job. He certainly has enough evidence to make Baker the fall guy and continue on as GM, if his bosses still like the job he's doing.

[cubfan1955]

Like I've said many times...opening day 2007 rolls around and your Cubs manager will be Dusty Baker. I've never had any doubts...

[dalgreen]

Is it possible that Hendry is keeping Dusty on to help justify NOT re-signing him in the offseason ? By that I mean, Hendry chose Dusty, and he needs ammo to go to his bosses after the season and say this guy is just not getting the job done and we need a change. He's not winning. His clubs have gotten worse every year he's been the manager of the Cubs. He's not developing players from the system Hendry re-built. It's one and done for many of the young players. Dusty isn't patient enough to wait for results.

 

This does not absolve Hendry of any guilt in the current Cub situation. He brought in many of these players and put together some awful contracts. But, Dusty asked for more speed in the offseason and a better bullpen. Hendry went out and got that for him. Unfortunately, Hendry did nothing else to help this club and banked it on Wood and Prior holding up the rotation. And, Lee holding the lineup together by doing nothing to acquire a top tier player in the outfield or at SS.

 

I think there is a motive, maybe political, and Baker will not return. It might be wishful thinking, but this is how I optimistically see it.

 

With all due respect, it sounds as if you're defending Hendry. A lot of people on here know that I can't stand Hendry as much as I can't stand Baker. But I think you're giving Hendry way, way too much credit if you believe he's trying to justify NOT re-signing him. It's Hendry's call to fire him or re-sign him. For the most part, it was his call to hire him. As I've said for three seasons now, Hendry and Baker are two peas in a pod.

 

Regarding the re-built system. I think most of us were fooled into thinking we had a dominant system. Our pitching prospects may have been good, but I can run a list of position players who were just flat out overrated and overvalued.

 

I'm not defending Hendry at all, because I think he gave into the idea that speed could win because Podsednik and the "Speedy White Sox" won the World Series. I tried to make that point clear in the second paragraph. He's as guilty as anyone.

 

I disagree that it's Hendry's call only on letting Baker walk. I think there is much more to it.

 

I think there is a fundamental flaw in this organization and would prefer total regime change. Building a team of baseball players as a opposed to track athletes is just a starting point.

 

Instead, I am just presenting a view on how Hendry might be operating to try and continue in a great job. He certainly has enough evidence to make Baker the fall guy and continue on as GM, if his bosses still like the job he's doing.

 

I just don't see why Hendry would gamble when there's already 2/3 of the season's evidence why Baker and others should go. Hendry's even less intelligent than I thought if he keeps Baker for the rest of the year for the sole reason of proving that Baker should go. What happens if the Cubs play .500 ball or better from here on out? There's already enough reasons why Baker should go, so the fact that he's staying through the rest of the year might indicate Baker will be back if he wants to.

[Laura]

One thing that sometimes drives me nuts about Dusty is that he seems to value loyalty to certain individuals above the good of the team.

 

I think Hendry is the same way, which means we likely will see the Dynamic Duo doing their thang again next season.

[CubsBullsBears]

Hendry must believe in these base-clogging and maintaining the integrity of playoff ideas as well, since he's keeping the Dust Bag