Any way we could pry Crisp from the Red Sox??

[Cubzfan64]

The Sox are clearly in a playoff fight which should last until the end of the season. With Wells on the DL (possibly coming off soon although no guarantee he'll pitch well), Clement on the DL (nobody knowing what the heck is wrong with him), Beckett being very inconsistent and now Wakefield having what looks like serious back problems, you've gotta figure Boston HAS to find some starting pitching - not to mention their awful middle relief with Taverez and Seanz.

 

Add to that the fact that Crisp is NOT having a very good season and perhaps there's a way we can swing a trade with them and pick up a CF who can keep us happy until/if Pie ever makes it up to the big club.

 

I don't think we have a starter that fits their needs, but we have plenty of relief and if we were to package Pierre with some combination of Eyre, Williamson or Dempster, does anyone think this would be a worthwhile deal?

 

Would Boston be desperate enough in the pitching category to move Crisp? Would they ask for too much in return? Granted Papelbon is tearing things up as their closer, but he's projected to be a starter for them and if push came to shove, they might consider closing with Dempster and putting Papelbon in the rotation if they absolutely needed to.

 

Just trying to think out loud.

[ChiCubsFan]

The Sox are clearly in a playoff fight which should last until the end of the season. With Wells on the DL (possibly coming off soon although no guarantee he'll pitch well), Clement on the DL (nobody knowing what the heck is wrong with him), Beckett being very inconsistent and now Wakefield having what looks like serious back problems, you've gotta figure Boston HAS to find some starting pitching - not to mention their awful middle relief with Taverez and Seanz.

 

Add to that the fact that Crisp is NOT having a very good season and perhaps there's a way we can swing a trade with them and pick up a CF who can keep us happy until/if Pie ever makes it up to the big club.

 

I don't think we have a starter that fits their needs, but we have plenty of relief and if we were to package Pierre with some combination of Eyre, Williamson or Dempster, does anyone think this would be a worthwhile deal?

 

Would Boston be desperate enough in the pitching category to move Crisp? Would they ask for too much in return? Granted Papelbon is tearing things up as their closer, but he's projected to be a starter for them and if push came to shove, they might consider closing with Dempster and putting Papelbon in the rotation if they absolutely needed to.

 

Just trying to think out loud.

 

Its a good idea. I'd take either WM Pena or Crisp. I think they want Crisp for CF and Pena for RF for next year though. Nixon is a FA, right? Well maybe Williamson, Dempster, and a prospect gets it done.

[CuseCubFan69]

The Sox are clearly in a playoff fight which should last until the end of the season. With Wells on the DL (possibly coming off soon although no guarantee he'll pitch well), Clement on the DL (nobody knowing what the heck is wrong with him), Beckett being very inconsistent and now Wakefield having what looks like serious back problems, you've gotta figure Boston HAS to find some starting pitching - not to mention their awful middle relief with Taverez and Seanz.

 

Add to that the fact that Crisp is NOT having a very good season and perhaps there's a way we can swing a trade with them and pick up a CF who can keep us happy until/if Pie ever makes it up to the big club.

 

I don't think we have a starter that fits their needs, but we have plenty of relief and if we were to package Pierre with some combination of Eyre, Williamson or Dempster, does anyone think this would be a worthwhile deal?

 

Would Boston be desperate enough in the pitching category to move Crisp? Would they ask for too much in return? Granted Papelbon is tearing things up as their closer, but he's projected to be a starter for them and if push came to shove, they might consider closing with Dempster and putting Papelbon in the rotation if they absolutely needed to.

 

Just trying to think out loud.

 

Its a good idea. I'd take either WM Pena or Crisp. I think they want Crisp for CF and Pena for RF for next year though. Nixon is a FA, right? Well maybe Williamson, Dempster, and a prospect gets it done.

 

Wouldn't Pierre be a good fit too or do they have another CF?

[Iceblink]

Don't think there's a chance they consider trading him. He's looked at as their CF of the next few years...unless Ellsbury supplants him.

 

As for the bad season, he's raised his OPS 55 points in the last 2 weeks and his numbers are getting pretty respectable. Not the .800 OPS player he was in Cleveland, but possibly on his way back there.

[ChiCubsFan]

The Sox are clearly in a playoff fight which should last until the end of the season. With Wells on the DL (possibly coming off soon although no guarantee he'll pitch well), Clement on the DL (nobody knowing what the heck is wrong with him), Beckett being very inconsistent and now Wakefield having what looks like serious back problems, you've gotta figure Boston HAS to find some starting pitching - not to mention their awful middle relief with Taverez and Seanz.

 

Add to that the fact that Crisp is NOT having a very good season and perhaps there's a way we can swing a trade with them and pick up a CF who can keep us happy until/if Pie ever makes it up to the big club.

 

I don't think we have a starter that fits their needs, but we have plenty of relief and if we were to package Pierre with some combination of Eyre, Williamson or Dempster, does anyone think this would be a worthwhile deal?

 

Would Boston be desperate enough in the pitching category to move Crisp? Would they ask for too much in return? Granted Papelbon is tearing things up as their closer, but he's projected to be a starter for them and if push came to shove, they might consider closing with Dempster and putting Papelbon in the rotation if they absolutely needed to.

 

Just trying to think out loud.

 

Its a good idea. I'd take either WM Pena or Crisp. I think they want Crisp for CF and Pena for RF for next year though. Nixon is a FA, right? Well maybe Williamson, Dempster, and a prospect gets it done.

 

Wouldn't Pierre be a good fit too or do they have another CF?

 

WM Pena could handle CF with Nixon and Manny on the corners (he was playing CF a lot when Crisp was hurt early this year). Not the greatest defensive outfield ever, but its not like Pierre is great defensively either.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The Red Sox gave up a lot to get Crisp and one of Theo's objectives was to get younger. There is no way, none, nada that Crisp is on the market.

[Cubzfan64]

The Red Sox gave up a lot to get Crisp and one of Theo's objectives was to get younger. There is no way, none, nada that Crisp is on the market.

 

You're probably right - I guess I was just hoping perhaps we could finally catch a team more desperate than us for something and wind up buying low and selling high for a change.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The Red Sox gave up a lot to get Crisp and one of Theo's objectives was to get younger. There is no way, none, nada that Crisp is on the market.

 

What if we offered Z, huh smart guy?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The Red Sox gave up a lot to get Crisp and one of Theo's objectives was to get younger. There is no way, none, nada that Crisp is on the market.

 

What if we offered Z, huh smart guy?

 

And why the hell would we do that?

 

Sure, we could get nearly any player if you're willing to overpay. My point is the Red Sox acquired Crisp for a reason and aren't likely willing to move him.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

the Red Sox acquired Crisp for a reason and aren't likely willing to move him.

 

Which I still don't get. Maybe if he showed more patience, but his IsoD is Pierre-like.

[Cubzfan64]

The Red Sox gave up a lot to get Crisp and one of Theo's objectives was to get younger. There is no way, none, nada that Crisp is on the market.

 

What if we offered Z, huh smart guy?

 

And why the hell would we do that?

 

Sure, we could get nearly any player if you're willing to overpay. My point is the Red Sox acquired Crisp for a reason and aren't likely willing to move him.

 

Agreed - when I try to come up with viable trade options, I put myself in both shoes and do my best to come up with a "sensible" reason for each side to make a trade. I'm sure Boston would take Z for Crisp - the Cubs on the other hand would be ridiculous to do it.

 

I would have suggested Maddux, but Boston wouldn't do that for a guy on the downside of his career. I would have suggested Rusch, but Boston is too smart to do that. If Wood were healthy and would have accepted a trade to a contender I think that might have worded out, but it obviously won't happen now.

 

Vance - the only possible reason I can see for the Sox to make the move is if we included Pierre and gave them enough pitching to get them to the playoffs - I agree that they are trying to get young, and if they're smart they wouldn't give up on Crisp just because of somewhat an off year so far - that said, I was just hoping we could catch them desperate for pitching and fleece them.

 

Either way - realistically Theo is too smart to make any of those trades I guess.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I could see Boston willing to do a Pierre + Ramirez + Marmol/Marshall deal for Crisp, but that's overpaying as well.

 

Crisp isn't a player they're looking to move. Sure we could get their attention with a package that helps them get some young players back, but they aren't going to make a deal for our over-the-hill guys.

[Outshined_One]

I think they'd be really interested in one of our bullpen guys, especially Eyre, Howry, or Dempster. Granted, the NTCs are problematic, but with Dusty out the door soon, maybe they'll be willing to waive them. Their bullpen has been incredibly unreliable save for Papelbon last I heard.

 

If we can pry away Buchholz, Bowden, or Ellsbury, I'd be quite interested!

[texascub]

I think they'd be really interested in one of our bullpen guys, especially Eyre, Howry, or Dempster. Granted, the NTCs are problematic, but with Dusty out the door soon, maybe they'll be willing to waive them. Their bullpen has been incredibly unreliable save for Papelbon last I heard.

 

If we can pry away Buchholz, Bowden, or Ellsbury, I'd be quite interested!

 

How about trying to get Chad Spann away from them? He's only 22 playing at the hot corner in AA and putting up a .310/.374/.502/.876 line. He doesn't appear to have alot of power but he seems like a solid contract guy with decent speed. The 18 errors is a bit of a problem but I believe Moore already has more than that this year.

[jjgman21]

just a minor point, I don't think Papelbon could be a starter this year. his arm is in no condition to throw 7 innings and 100 pitches, and getting it to that point would mean utilizing him very poorly for a month, which the RedSox can't afford to do. they're better off leaving him as closer.

[katway]

Don't see Boston trading Crisp. He's not having a great year but has had to recover from a broken hand and a kidney stone thus far. Before these ailments, he looked great in spring training and the first few games. Boston will hang onto him. Pena was acquired to platoon with Trot and take over right if Trot leaves via free agency. They have very little confidence with Pena manning center full-time