Trib article suggests end is near for inept coaching staff!

[erik316wttn]

Hendry is probably only doing this because he's getting pressure from the Trib. He realizes that he may have to sacrifice "his" guys in order to save his own sorry hide.

 

But, if the end result is Dusty leaving, I'm all for it.

[NCCubFan]

Also, I can't imagine too many managers with MLB experience would be willing to only sign a 2 year deal for to match up with Hendry's remaining 2 years. Hendry's extention created an unnecessary problem by having to hire a new manager with many stipulations.

If you're talking about a CURRENT major league manager, I'd agree. If you're talking about a FORMER major league manager who wants to get back into managing, I'm not so sure. Two years is two more than zero years.

[goonys evil twin]

Also, I can't imagine too many managers with MLB experience would be willing to only sign a 2 year deal for to match up with Hendry's remaining 2 years. Hendry's extention created an unnecessary problem by having to hire a new manager with many stipulations.

If you're talking about a CURRENT major league manager, I'd agree. If you're talking about a FORMER major league manager who wants to get back into managing, I'm not so sure. Two years is two more than zero years.

 

And hardly an unprecedented contract offer. 4 years is actually pretty long for a manager's contract. Joe Torre has been working on a series of relatively short contracts, with the constant questions of what it will take for the Boss to let him stay.

 

Even if they have to offer a 3 year deal it's not like they can't fire both after a theoretical dismal 2008, or extend Hendry after a theoretical succesful 2007 to get him "in-line" with his manager. Synchronized contracts is more of an excuse than any real problem.

[Fro]

I think we've underestimated the Tribune suits a little bit. While MacPhail and Hendry are safe I'm sure there's a few people on the board who are baseball fans, plus the rest of them can understand $100 million payroll shouldn't = nearly last place in MLB.

 

I'm sure they can also guess and project that sold out Wrigley Field isn't going to continue with a last place team.

[cubfan1955]

Dusty Baker and some of his coaching staff may have a restless All-Star break after general manager Jim Hendry announced Tuesday he will use the four-day break to decide whether an overhaul is in order.

I just don't see that as a sign that a change is imminent. He says he is going to use the 4 day break to evaluate. If he planned on making a change he would have to use the 4 days to put together a coaching staff which, by the way, is not easy in the middle of a season. Managers get fired either on Sunday evening or Monday morning before the ASB, not after the four day break when teams are starting to play again.

[goonys evil twin]

Dusty Baker and some of his coaching staff may have a restless All-Star break after general manager Jim Hendry announced Tuesday he will use the four-day break to decide whether an overhaul is in order.

I just don't see that as a sign that a change is imminent. He says he is going to use the 4 day break to evaluate. If he planned on making a change he would have to use the 4 days to put together a coaching staff which, by the way, is not easy in the middle of a season. Managers get fired either on Sunday evening or Monday morning before the ASB, not after the four day break when teams are starting to play again.

 

The fact that it's being talked about tells me something. This is the same media that refused to question anything Baker did in 2003, stayed mostly silent after the 2004 collapse, allowed the Cubs to use the too many white guys, too many day games, too many injuries, bad luck, goat, Bartman, etc excuse for several years, and chastised those people who called for Dusty's firing back in May. The fact that all of them are talking about it is a huge change that tells me something is going on.

[cubfan1955]

Dusty Baker and some of his coaching staff may have a restless All-Star break after general manager Jim Hendry announced Tuesday he will use the four-day break to decide whether an overhaul is in order.

I just don't see that as a sign that a change is imminent. He says he is going to use the 4 day break to evaluate. If he planned on making a change he would have to use the 4 days to put together a coaching staff which, by the way, is not easy in the middle of a season. Managers get fired either on Sunday evening or Monday morning before the ASB, not after the four day break when teams are starting to play again.

 

The fact that it's being talked about tells me something. This is the same media that refused to question anything Baker did in 2003, stayed mostly silent after the 2004 collapse, allowed the Cubs to use the too many white guys, too many day games, too many injuries, bad luck, goat, Bartman, etc excuse for several years, and chastised those people who called for Dusty's firing back in May. The fact that all of them are talking about it is a huge change that tells me something is going on.

Something may be going on but I don't see it happening next week. Maybe at the end of the season if we are lucky.

[goonys evil twin]

Something may be going on but I don't see it happening next week. Maybe at the end of the season if we are lucky.

 

If something is going to happen, I don't see why not next week. If nothing was going to happen, Hendry would say so, he always has in the past. GMs don't talk about "evaluating everything" without bringing out the axe.

[frostwyrm]

Dusty's job was probably safe until he started talking about his missing horses, which was an obvious way of saying he couldn't win with the players Hendry gave him. If you like your job it's a bad idea to embarrass your boss in public.

[cubfan1955]

Something may be going on but I don't see it happening next week. Maybe at the end of the season if we are lucky.

 

If something is going to happen, I don't see why not next week. If nothing was going to happen, Hendry would say so, he always has in the past. GMs don't talk about "evaluating everything" without bringing out the axe.

I just don't see how "he will use the four-day break to decide whether an overhaul is in order" means he's going to fire Baker and the whole coaching staff next week. Especially after the 4 day break. Maybe I'm reading too much into his comments. Maybe he wil fire Baker Sunday night and then evaluate the rest of the team over the next 4 days. Still, I'll believe it when I see it.

[A New Era]

Something may be going on but I don't see it happening next week. Maybe at the end of the season if we are lucky.

 

If something is going to happen, I don't see why not next week. If nothing was going to happen, Hendry would say so, he always has in the past. GMs don't talk about "evaluating everything" without bringing out the axe.

I just don't see how "he will use the four-day break to decide whether an overhaul is in order" means he's going to fire Baker and the whole coaching staff next week. Especially after the 4 day break. Maybe I'm reading too much into his comments. Maybe he wil fire Baker Sunday night and then evaluate the rest of the team over the next 4 days. Still, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

He is just saying that to basically hint to them "you are gone". He will probably do it at the beggining of the ASB. I'm with you a little bit, I'll wait until I break out the champaigne. But every paper and radio station is talking about it. It's gonna happen. SO get the bottle out, and I'll drink it with ya after it happens!!

[goonys evil twin]

Something may be going on but I don't see it happening next week. Maybe at the end of the season if we are lucky.

 

If something is going to happen, I don't see why not next week. If nothing was going to happen, Hendry would say so, he always has in the past. GMs don't talk about "evaluating everything" without bringing out the axe.

I just don't see how "he will use the four-day break to decide whether an overhaul is in order" means he's going to fire Baker and the whole coaching staff next week. Especially after the 4 day break. Maybe I'm reading too much into his comments. Maybe he wil fire Baker Sunday night and then evaluate the rest of the team over the next 4 days. Still, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

I wouldn't say he's definitely firing the guy. But Hendry said throughout the freefall that he'd give Baker the chance to manage with a more healthy team. He's got them all back, and now Hendry is changing his statements. Baker has insinuated that Hendry failed to put a good team together, and Hendry has said that despite all the bad luck, they shouldn't be this far below .500. In reality he doesn't need the 4 days to evaluate. But that's just something GMs say when they don't want to say "I'm really thinking about firing the guy and blowing the whole team up but I'm not sure I want to pull the trigger just yet and I want to get my plans in order to handle the fall-out. Plus, I need to talk to guys about filling the vacancies."

[CuseCubFan69]

Something may be going on but I don't see it happening next week. Maybe at the end of the season if we are lucky.

 

If something is going to happen, I don't see why not next week. If nothing was going to happen, Hendry would say so, he always has in the past. GMs don't talk about "evaluating everything" without bringing out the axe.

I just don't see how "he will use the four-day break to decide whether an overhaul is in order" means he's going to fire Baker and the whole coaching staff next week. Especially after the 4 day break. Maybe I'm reading too much into his comments. Maybe he wil fire Baker Sunday night and then evaluate the rest of the team over the next 4 days. Still, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

I wouldn't say he's definitely firing the guy. But Hendry said throughout the freefall that he'd give Baker the chance to manage with a more healthy team. He's got them all back, and now Hendry is changing his statements. Baker has insinuated that Hendry failed to put a good team together, and Hendry has said that despite all the bad luck, they shouldn't be this far below .500. In reality he doesn't need the 4 days to evaluate. But that's just something GMs say when they don't want to say "I'm really thinking about firing the guy and blowing the whole team up but I'm not sure I want to pull the trigger just yet and I want to get my plans in order to handle the fall-out. Plus, I need to talk to guys about filling the vacancies."

 

Good point. He has to find a suitable manager first which means Spier isn't on his list.

[cubfan1955]

Something may be going on but I don't see it happening next week. Maybe at the end of the season if we are lucky.

 

If something is going to happen, I don't see why not next week. If nothing was going to happen, Hendry would say so, he always has in the past. GMs don't talk about "evaluating everything" without bringing out the axe.

I just don't see how "he will use the four-day break to decide whether an overhaul is in order" means he's going to fire Baker and the whole coaching staff next week. Especially after the 4 day break. Maybe I'm reading too much into his comments. Maybe he wil fire Baker Sunday night and then evaluate the rest of the team over the next 4 days. Still, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

I wouldn't say he's definitely firing the guy. But Hendry said throughout the freefall that he'd give Baker the chance to manage with a more healthy team. He's got them all back, and now Hendry is changing his statements. Baker has insinuated that Hendry failed to put a good team together, and Hendry has said that despite all the bad luck, they shouldn't be this far below .500. In reality he doesn't need the 4 days to evaluate. But that's just something GMs say when they don't want to say "I'm really thinking about firing the guy and blowing the whole team up but I'm not sure I want to pull the trigger just yet and I want to get my plans in order to handle the fall-out. Plus, I need to talk to guys about filling the vacancies."

 

Ya know...if this was any other team on the planet I'd have to agree with you. If they fire Baker I'll be the first one dancin' in the street. :D

[UBlink]

I wouldn't say he's definitely firing the guy. But Hendry said throughout the freefall that he'd give Baker the chance to manage with a more healthy team. He's got them all back, and now Hendry is changing his statements. Baker has insinuated that Hendry failed to put a good team together, and Hendry has said that despite all the bad luck, they shouldn't be this far below .500. In reality he doesn't need the 4 days to evaluate. But that's just something GMs say when they don't want to say "I'm really thinking about firing the guy and blowing the whole team up but I'm not sure I want to pull the trigger just yet and I want to get my plans in order to handle the fall-out. Plus, I need to talk to guys about filling the vacancies."

 

I think the coaching staff reading this would react about the same way I would if I saw a posting on Monster.com for my current job. And that may be the reason for it, so he can get an indication of interest from potential replacements.

[frostwyrm]

Baker has insinuated that Hendry failed to put a good team together

I don't think there's any insinuation or subtlety on Dusty's part. He has blatantly stated that Hendry has given him a bunch of players that can't win. IMO that's the ONLY thing that could have broken Jimbo's weird love affair with Dusty, and thank God, Dusty was dumb enough to do it.

[goonys evil twin]

Baker has insinuated that Hendry failed to put a good team together

I don't think there's any insinuation or subtlety on Dusty's part. He has blatantly stated that Hendry has given him a bunch of players that can't win. IMO that's the ONLY thing that could have broken Jimbo's weird love affair with Dusty, and thank God, Dusty was dumb enough to do it.

 

Or maybe smart enough. Lots of speculation that he wants out, but he needs to stay employable, so he's doing the same thing he did in SF, which earned him a fat contract.

[frostwyrm]

Baker has insinuated that Hendry failed to put a good team together

I don't think there's any insinuation or subtlety on Dusty's part. He has blatantly stated that Hendry has given him a bunch of players that can't win. IMO that's the ONLY thing that could have broken Jimbo's weird love affair with Dusty, and thank God, Dusty was dumb enough to do it.

 

Or maybe smart enough. Lots of speculation that he wants out, but he needs to stay employable, so he's doing the same thing he did in SF, which earned him a fat contract.

Nah. I don't think he's that clever or subtle. He strikes me as an ordinary idiot with a big ego and I take his excuses at face value, including the "horses" stuff.

[CUBZ99]

The latest from the Baker saga:

 

Chicago Tribune:

Cubs manager Dusty Baker met with general manager Jim Hendry on Wednesday and felt "comfortable" about his job status amid reports Hendry was considering staff changes during the All-Star break.

[Tim Burr]

The latest from the Baker saga:

 

Chicago Tribune:

Cubs manager Dusty Baker met with general manager Jim Hendry on Wednesday and felt "comfortable" about his job status amid reports Hendry was considering staff changes during the All-Star break.

 

I think that pretty much says Baker is not being fired next week.

[Irrelevant Dude]

The latest from the Baker saga:

 

Chicago Tribune:

Cubs manager Dusty Baker met with general manager Jim Hendry on Wednesday and felt "comfortable" about his job status amid reports Hendry was considering staff changes during the All-Star break.

 

I think that pretty much says Baker is not being fired next week.

What else would he say, that he's nervous about being fired? This doesn't change anything, of course that's what Dusty is going to say.

[CUBZ99]

The latest from the Baker saga:

 

Chicago Tribune:

Cubs manager Dusty Baker met with general manager Jim Hendry on Wednesday and felt "comfortable" about his job status amid reports Hendry was considering staff changes during the All-Star break.

 

I think that pretty much says Baker is not being fired next week.

 

As I pointed out earlier, Bruce's article today stated that Baker's job was safe for the moment also. :cry:

 

Would Baker sacrifice his coaching staff to keep his job?

[Rob]

Would Baker sacrifice his coaching staff to keep his job?

 

Does watching the Cubs make me drink?

[Irrelevant Dude]

The latest from the Baker saga:

 

Chicago Tribune:

Cubs manager Dusty Baker met with general manager Jim Hendry on Wednesday and felt "comfortable" about his job status amid reports Hendry was considering staff changes during the All-Star break.

 

I think that pretty much says Baker is not being fired next week.

 

As I pointed out earlier, Bruce's article today stated that Baker's job was safe for the moment also. :cry:

 

Would Baker sacrifice his coaching staff to keep his job?

I interpreted "safe for the moment" as he won't be fired before the All-Star break.

[Wheelimus]

Going to guess they'll can everyone but Baker, bringing up a lot of the Iowa/West Tenn staff to replace them, and give Dusty a chance to manage with the new staff.

 

Sigh...