JH Please just Clean House

[Knyption]

Trade the following

 

Jones

Aram

Pierre

Prior

Walker

Rusch

Dempster

 

Cut the Following

 

Neifi

Bynum

Pagan

Womack

 

Bring up some kids

 

MOST OF ALL FIRE DUSTY!

[Shavo]

NO TRADING PRIOR

[E.J.]

I would like a cleaning of house too, but mine would be far different. MacPhail, Hendry, Dusty, Clines, Sarge, Dusty's kid, The Tribune Company, and Rothschild all need to go.

 

It's getting so hard to root for this team with all the horrible mismanagement that's going on.

[Neuby]

If Wood won't be brought back next season as a sixth starter at a very low base salary that doesn't affect us bringing in an ace like Schmidt or Zito I say we should explore dealing Maddux to a west coat team.

Walker, Willamson,Wuertz,Rusch,Blanco,Nevin, Perez, Pierre should interest some contenders.

[Illini Iceman]

Trade the following

 

Jones

Aram

Pierre

Prior

Walker

Rusch

Dempster

 

Cut the Following

 

Neifi

Bynum

Pagan

Womack

 

Bring up some kids

 

MOST OF ALL FIRE DUSTY!

 

Yeah! Bring up some kids!

 

Murton, Marshall, Guzman, Hill, Ryu and Marmol have been awesome!! We need more guys like that to come up and less guys like Walker, Jones, ARam and Prior and then we will be great next year!

 

The Cubs have given plenty of kids chances this year. So far the only one that looks like he is ready to do anything is Cedeno, and I can guarantee if Neifi had those same numbers people would be saying how awful they are.

 

Get some kids that are ready to be productive at the major league level then I will be all for bring them up.

[sweetpeteman]

I'd like to point out that of the players you listed, most of them are pitchers. So why not try some other guys in the field.

[Illini Iceman]

I'd like to point out that of the players you listed, most of them are pitchers. So why not try some other guys in the field.

 

Like who - Restovich, Theriot, Sing?

 

Or maybe Pie so the people here can complain for a decade about how he was rushed.

[Roast]

I'd like to point out that of the players you listed, most of them are pitchers. So why not try some other guys in the field.

 

Like who - Restovich, Theriot, Sing?

 

Or maybe Pie so the people here can complain for a decade about how he was rushed.

 

Yes Theroit, Sing, Murton (actually allowed to play full time), and Pie.

 

Also, Theres a difference between neifi putting up .270 and Murton putting up .270. Murton has potential to be much better. He is young and will most likely grow into a better player. But By all means, lets continue to start the likes of Neifi and Mabry so we can continue to watch their careers wither away, while our possible future rots on the bench.

 

Look, we already are going to lose this year, so why not lose while giving young players a chance to grow.

[Roast]

Walker, Willamson,Wuertz,Rusch,Blanco,Nevin, Perez, Pierre should interest some contenders.

 

I have no Idea why the bolded would interest anyone, even considering Blanco's hot streak.

Edited June 25, 2006 by Roast

[Derwood]

Calling up kids is not a solution to anything. I've said this before, but here we go again:

 

The Cubs are a LARGE MARKET TEAM. A team with a payroll pushing $100 million should not be relying on more than 2 or 3 homegrown "kids" to win. $100 million teams don't drop everything and go young. They don't rebuild. They reload.

 

At least they should. The Cubs shouldn't have to rely on Guzman, Marshall and Marmol in the rotation next year because they can afford better.

[Roast]

Calling up kids is not a solution to anything. I've said this before, but here we go again:

 

The Cubs are a LARGE MARKET TEAM. A team with a payroll pushing $100 million should not be relying on more than 2 or 3 homegrown "kids" to win. $100 million teams don't drop everything and go young. They don't rebuild. They reload.

 

At least they should. The Cubs shouldn't have to rely on Guzman, Marshall and Marmol in the rotation next year because they can afford better.

 

True, but we are talking about THIS year. Why should we continue to let the likes of Rusch and Neifi continue to take starting time when we could be letting the youth play. Maybe Guzman will turn out to be the star everyone thought he could be, Maybe Marmol is a true stud, Marshall has shown that capability, Maybe Pie is really the "Michael Jordan of Baseball." But we'll never know with players like Rusch, Neifi, and Pierre starting everyday. We KNOW what they can do, we've seen what they can do over their whole careers. So why not let the kids play this year, and then keep the best of them for next year.

[sweetpeteman]

Walker, Willamson,Wuertz,Rusch,Blanco,Nevin, Perez, Pierre should interest some contenders.

 

I have no Idea why the bolded would interest anyone, even considering Blanco's hot streak.

 

 

Rusch is left handed.

 

Pierre is good but just having a badHAHAHA...no.

[donobr]

As long as someone fires him also.

[AubCubFan]

Walker, Willamson,Wuertz,Rusch,Blanco,Nevin, Perez, Pierre should interest some contenders.

 

I have no Idea why the bolded would interest anyone, even considering Blanco's hot streak.

 

Pierre would be wanted by a contender. Remember when the Red Sox picked up Dave Roberts for their world series run. I think all he did was run the bases. He stole a key base as a pinch runner that started the Red Sox comeback in the ALCS. That was pretty awesome, everyone knew he was stealing and he still made it.

 

Anyways, someone will want him.

[CuseCubFan69]

Walker, Willamson,Wuertz,Rusch,Blanco,Nevin, Perez, Pierre should interest some contenders.

 

I have no Idea why the bolded would interest anyone, even considering Blanco's hot streak.

 

Pierre would be wanted by a contender. Remember when the Red Sox picked up Dave Roberts for their world series run. I think all he did was run the bases. He stole a key base as a pinch runner that started the Red Sox comeback in the ALCS. That was pretty awesome, everyone knew he was stealing and he still made it.

 

Anyways, someone will want him.

 

Would the Cubs get the pitchers they traded for him back?

[NorthsideAvenger]

No way dude. I don't care that the Cubs arep ushing 20 games under .500 and 14 games behind the division leader, this is the team that is still "in it to win it."

v

(END sarcasm)

 

Do ANYBODY actually see Hendry pull a "clean house" tatic? If you do, pass whatever you have around the table.

[Backtobanks]

Walker, Willamson,Wuertz,Rusch,Blanco,Nevin, Perez, Pierre should interest some contenders.

 

I have no Idea why the bolded would interest anyone, even considering Blanco's hot streak.

 

If the Cubs package the 4 of then for an unopened package of sunflower seeds plus pay their salaries, they might find a buyer.

[NCCubFan]

Yes Theroit, Sing, Murton (actually allowed to play full time), and Pie.

 

Also, Theres a difference between neifi putting up .270 and Murton putting up .270. Murton has potential to be much better. He is young and will most likely grow into a better player. But By all means, lets continue to start the likes of Neifi and Mabry so we can continue to watch their careers wither away, while our possible future rots on the bench.

 

Look, we already are going to lose this year, so why not lose while giving young players a chance to grow.

No on Pie and Sing. Pie isn't dominating at AAA; he needs to show more improvement there before he's brought up. Patterson was called up before he was ready; we don't want the same thing to happen with Pie. Sing is hitting .179 at West Tenn after being demoted from Iowa, so bringing him up is not even a remote possibility at this time. I agree with you about Theriot and Murton.

[A New Era]

Calling up kids is not a solution to anything. I've said this before, but here we go again:

 

The Cubs are a LARGE MARKET TEAM. A team with a payroll pushing $100 million should not be relying on more than 2 or 3 homegrown "kids" to win. $100 million teams don't drop everything and go young. They don't rebuild. They reload.

 

At least they should. The Cubs shouldn't have to rely on Guzman, Marshall and Marmol in the rotation next year because they can afford better.

 

True, but we are talking about THIS year. Why should we continue to let the likes of Rusch and Neifi continue to take starting time when we could be letting the youth play. Maybe Guzman will turn out to be the star everyone thought he could be, Maybe Marmol is a true stud, Marshall has shown that capability, Maybe Pie is really the "Michael Jordan of Baseball." But we'll never know with players like Rusch, Neifi, and Pierre starting everyday. We KNOW what they can do, we've seen what they can do over their whole careers. So why not let the kids play this year, and then keep the best of them for next year.

 

Yep, exactly. And we will find out as soon as Dustworthless is fired and a manager smart enough comes in and keeps Mabry and Neifi's ass on the bench and sticks with the likes of Pie, Cedeno, Murton and gives them some confidence.

[CubsBullsBears]

Why can't we just eat the contracts of Neifi, Mabry, and Rusch?? I mean the D-backs ate Russ Ortiz's contract, and he's owed 22M thru 2008.

[NCCubFan]

Why can't we just eat the contracts of Neifi, Mabry, and Rusch?? I mean the D-backs ate Russ Ortiz's contract, and he's owed 22M thru 2008.

Because that would mean Hendry admitting to mistakes, and he never makes mistakes.

[CubsBullsBears]

Why can't we just eat the contracts of Neifi, Mabry, and Rusch?? I mean the D-backs ate Russ Ortiz's contract, and he's owed 22M thru 2008.

Because that would mean Hendry admitting to mistakes, and he never makes mistakes.

Oh yeah, I forgot, he's got a free ride since he got Lofton, Ramirez and Simon for no one, Nomar and Murton for Gonzo, Lee for Choi, turned Todd Hundley into Grudz and Karros, and LaToilet for Williams and Aardsma.

[TheDude]

Calling up kids is not a solution to anything. I've said this before, but here we go again:

 

The Cubs are a LARGE MARKET TEAM. A team with a payroll pushing $100 million should not be relying on more than 2 or 3 homegrown "kids" to win. $100 million teams don't drop everything and go young. They don't rebuild. They reload.

 

At least they should. The Cubs shouldn't have to rely on Guzman, Marshall and Marmol in the rotation next year because they can afford better.

 

Whether a team is $100+ million or not, there is an inherent cycle involved that requires youth. The Mets "reloaded", but it wasn't without the rebuild aspect of the cycle. Mineya timed the acquisition of proven veterans with the break-out of the club's best youth and that is what is required.

 

The Cubs missed the prime timing window in 2004-2006, but they still hold several key youth roster spots for at least another year. I think they have one shot at reloading in 2007 before requiring a down year or two to rebuild. Even big market clubs have to go through the cycle, unless they jump from 100 to 130+ million.

 

With a core of Zambrano, Prior, and Cedeno, and with one definitive veteran long-term (Lee), the Cubs do themselves a service by overhauling management and reloading for 2007. The core to build around is still pretty darn impressive, as it contains two aces strong 3-hole star, and a promising young SS.

[goonys evil twin]

Calling up kids is not a solution to anything. I've said this before, but here we go again:

 

The Cubs are a LARGE MARKET TEAM. A team with a payroll pushing $100 million should not be relying on more than 2 or 3 homegrown "kids" to win. $100 million teams don't drop everything and go young. They don't rebuild. They reload.

 

At least they should. The Cubs shouldn't have to rely on Guzman, Marshall and Marmol in the rotation next year because they can afford better.

 

That line of thinking is what has kept the Cubs in this perpetual cycle of mediocrity, which has only been sidetracked by brief periods of modest success and spectaculiar failure. The fact is most veteran free agents aren't worth a darn thing. Guys get paid because there's a lot of money out there and not enough players to spend it on. Just because they can spend the money doesn't mean they should. I would much rather have multiple young players making next to nothing, saving the money for actual difference makers, than a bunch of overpaid veteran retreads. A $100 million payroll still leaves plenty of space for 5-6 $325,000 first/second year players, including young players in important roles.

 

The Cubs should rebuild if they want to even achieve greatness. This "reload" rhetoric is nothing but talk that leads to nothing but continued trouble.

[Fro]

Rebuilding doesn't mean crap until we actually get some good coaches who won't ruin players.