anyone else think this about prior and wood

[Knyption]

as un professional as it sounds.

 

 

they are coming back from injuries and the team will not make the playoffs, perhaps they think "why should we even try, whats the point"

[Cubfanintheknow]

Nope.

 

Too much pride--not-to mention money--on the line for those two to dog it just because the Cubs are out of it.

[Scott G. F.]

as un professional as it sounds.

 

 

they are coming back from injuries and the team will not make the playoffs, perhaps they think "why should we even try, whats the point"

 

My thought was this: Wood and Prior are delaying because they don't want to pitch for Dusty Baker or Rothchild anymore so they both are dragging there feet. Woody doesn't have anything technically wrong with him and niether does Prior. It's all a mistical soreness and phantom pain.

[CubinNY]

My thought is that both were/are injured.

 

And it's Dusty's/Larry's fault.

[soapy]

My thought is that both were/are injured.

 

And it's Dusty's/Larry's fault.

 

Join (though Wood's abuse dates back before Dusty's involvement).

[Soul]

Actually, in Prior and Lee's case, I would hope the BALLCLUB realizes the season is over, therefore don't rush them back in any way shape or form.

 

'06 is trashed, so I want my best players strapping and ready to go come '07. Rushing Lee or Prior back just makes no sense right now, and it shouldn't have anything to do with the players.

 

In Woody's case I'm not sure he will ever be back, certainly in a Cub uni. So that's a bit different. And you have to remember: Wood's in a contract year. There's no way he's being lazy unless he gets off on throwing millions of dollars down the drain. Highly doubtful.

[Sammy Sofa]

Too true. It's absurd to think Wood is tanking it, or is "lazy," or whatever else accusation gets tossed at him. The guy is playing for his supper this year. Sure, plenty of teams would toss money at him and take a shot, but nowhere near what he COULD be getting even if he was out there pitching badly.

[Bruno7481]

My thought is that both were/are injured.

 

And it's Dusty's/Larry's fault.

 

I'll blame Dusty for some things, but I don't know if I can go as far and say he and/or Rothschild hurt Prior.

 

Starting in 2003, when Dusty took over here are Prior's Innings pitched and pitchers per game.

 

2003: 211 113

2004: 119 98

2005 167 104

 

Those number aren't that crazy. If Prior can't throw 100 pitchers per game without getting hurt it isn't going to matter who is managing the club.

 

Wood's numbers look like this

 

2003: 211 110

2004: 140 101

2005: 66 88

 

My point is I don't think it is ALL Dusty/Rothschild's fault. These two guys seem to be extremely brittle. Wood has more of an injury history than Prior so he is a little easier to figure out. Not sure what the deal is with Prior, sure he threw 200+ innings in 2003, but most elite pitchers will throw 200+ innings in a year.

[Sammy Sofa]

With Prior, you've got those two huge "freak" injuries...the basepath collision and the linedrive off the elbow. Subtract those, there's an excellent chance we're only talking about Wood like we are today.

[Bruno7481]

With Prior, you've got those two huge "freak" injuries...the basepath collision and the linedrive off the elbow. Subtract those, there's an excellent chance we're only talking about Wood like we are today.

 

Exactly, Prior as had some injuries that have nothing to do with Dusty Baker, yet most want to blame Baker for Prior's injuries.

 

I'm not defending Dusty at all, I think a change would be a step in the right direction. But I think it is unfair to put all the blame on Dusty with no evidence to support that.

[impaler_240]

Wood is the most overpaid player in baseball. He had one good game his rookie year and now he is among the highest paid players in the sport. To his defense, he does have one of the best Opp BA in major league history, but it hasn't translated to accumulating Ws. :x

[Soul]

Wood is the most overpaid player in baseball. He had one good game his rookie year and now he is among the highest paid players in the sport. To his defense, he does have one of the best Opp BA in major league history, but it hasn't translated to accumulating Ws. :x

 

It hasn't translated into a high number of wins for Z either. Are you saying he's overrated too?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Wood is the most overpaid player in baseball. He had one good game his rookie year and now he is among the highest paid players in the sport. To his defense, he does have one of the best Opp BA in major league history, but it hasn't translated to accumulating Ws. :x

 

He's nowhere near the most overpaid when healthy. Injuries were not a concern when the contract was signed, so they should have no bearing on the argument now. You're a fool to believe he's only had 1 good game, and to simply call it a "good" game is ignorant. It was the most dominating pitching performance in the history of baseball (someone else can provide the link). Plus you want to penalize him for being on horrible teams and not getting a high enough number in a stat that's basically worthless in evaluating a pitcher? Give me a break.

[impaler_240]

Wood is the most overpaid player in baseball. He had one good game his rookie year and now he is among the highest paid players in the sport. To his defense, he does have one of the best Opp BA in major league history, but it hasn't translated to accumulating Ws. :x

 

It hasn't translated into a high number of wins for Z either. Are you saying he's overrated too?

 

I didn't say Wood is over-rated, just overpaid based on results he has provided.

[impaler_240]

Wood is the most overpaid player in baseball. He had one good game his rookie year and now he is among the highest paid players in the sport. To his defense, he does have one of the best Opp BA in major league history, but it hasn't translated to accumulating Ws. :x

 

He's nowhere near the most overpaid when healthy. Injuries were not a concern when the contract was signed, so they should have no bearing on the argument now. You're a fool to believe he's only had 1 good game, and to simply call it a "good" game is ignorant. It was the most dominating pitching performance in the history of baseball (someone else can provide the link). Plus you want to penalize him for being on horrible teams and not getting a high enough number in a stat that's basically worthless in evaluating a pitcher? Give me a break.

 

I wouldn't say accumulating wins as a pitcher is "worthless", but then again we are Cubs fans here so what do we expect. :lol:

[Sammy Sofa]

The general point is that a pitcher not getting a win doesn't mean the game was lost. Yeah, with a team as crappy as the Cubs have been, it probably was, but not getting a win can mean that a starting pitcher went at least 6 innings and kept it tied, or only gave up a 1 or 2 or even 3 run leade, things that any halfway decent ballclub can easily fight their way back from. No pitcher is going to go out there and shut down every team...if they can consistently keep the team in legit striking distance, IMO, they've done their job. And that's often not going to translate to wins.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Wood is the most overpaid player in baseball. He had one good game his rookie year and now he is among the highest paid players in the sport. To his defense, he does have one of the best Opp BA in major league history, but it hasn't translated to accumulating Ws. :x

 

He's nowhere near the most overpaid when healthy. Injuries were not a concern when the contract was signed, so they should have no bearing on the argument now. You're a fool to believe he's only had 1 good game, and to simply call it a "good" game is ignorant. It was the most dominating pitching performance in the history of baseball (someone else can provide the link). Plus you want to penalize him for being on horrible teams and not getting a high enough number in a stat that's basically worthless in evaluating a pitcher? Give me a break.

 

I wouldn't say accumulating wins as a pitcher is "worthless", but then again we are Cubs fans here so what do we expect. :lol:

 

Part of your evaluation of him, as a pitcher, was using his number of wins. That is a worthless stat when evaluating a pitcher.

[RynoRules]

Wood is the most overpaid player in baseball. He had one good game his rookie year and now he is among the highest paid players in the sport. To his defense, he does have one of the best Opp BA in major league history, but it hasn't translated to accumulating Ws. :x

 

He's nowhere near the most overpaid when healthy. Injuries were not a concern when the contract was signed, so they should have no bearing on the argument now. You're a fool to believe he's only had 1 good game, and to simply call it a "good" game is ignorant. It was the most dominating pitching performance in the history of baseball (someone else can provide the link). Plus you want to penalize him for being on horrible teams and not getting a high enough number in a stat that's basically worthless in evaluating a pitcher? Give me a break.

 

I wouldn't say accumulating wins as a pitcher is "worthless", but then again we are Cubs fans here so what do we expect. :lol:

 

Part of your evaluation of him, as a pitcher, was using his number of wins. That is a worthless stat when evaluating a pitcher.

 

I disagree that its "worthless". Its certainly less useful than other stats, perhaps several other stats.

[impaler_240]

Wood is the most overpaid player in baseball. He had one good game his rookie year and now he is among the highest paid players in the sport. To his defense, he does have one of the best Opp BA in major league history, but it hasn't translated to accumulating Ws. :x

 

He's nowhere near the most overpaid when healthy. Injuries were not a concern when the contract was signed, so they should have no bearing on the argument now. You're a fool to believe he's only had 1 good game, and to simply call it a "good" game is ignorant. It was the most dominating pitching performance in the history of baseball (someone else can provide the link). Plus you want to penalize him for being on horrible teams and not getting a high enough number in a stat that's basically worthless in evaluating a pitcher? Give me a break.

 

I wouldn't say accumulating wins as a pitcher is "worthless", but then again we are Cubs fans here so what do we expect. :lol:

 

Part of your evaluation of him, as a pitcher, was using his number of wins. That is a worthless stat when evaluating a pitcher.

 

I think wins are a valuable stat...maybe not all-inclusive when evaluating overall performance, but valuable nonetheless. If you disagree then that's your M.O. :wink:

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I think wins are a valuable stat...maybe not all-inclusive when evaluating overall performance, but valuable nonetheless. If you disagree then that's your M.O. :wink:

 

Why don't you look at some of those other stats, compare them to other pitchers, and then tell me Kerry Wood only had 1 good game?

[impaler_240]

I think wins are a valuable stat...maybe not all-inclusive when evaluating overall performance, but valuable nonetheless. If you disagree then that's your M.O. :wink:

 

Why don't you look at some of those other stats, compare them to other pitchers, and then tell me Kerry Wood only had 1 good game?

 

I think a lot of his hype is based solely on that one game. Sure he had some good outings in his career (even Rusch has the occasional good day), but I don't think he is the elite MLB pitcher that his salary suggests.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I think wins are a valuable stat...maybe not all-inclusive when evaluating overall performance, but valuable nonetheless. If you disagree then that's your M.O. :wink:

 

Why don't you look at some of those other stats, compare them to other pitchers, and then tell me Kerry Wood only had 1 good game?

 

I think a lot of his hype is based solely on that one game. Sure he had some good outings in his career (even Rusch has the occasional good day), but I don't think he is the elite MLB pitcher that his salary suggests.

 

Based on what though? You're still sticking to him only being a 1 hit wonder, and that's not the case. When healthy, Kerry is often fantastic. Compare his 11M to some of the pitchers who signed for around 9-11M this past offseason. His career ERA+ is better than Washburn or Burnett or Millwood or Weaver, and Millwood is the only one of that group with a lower career WHIP.

[impaler_240]

Kerry didn't get his contract this year so comparing him to those guys is irrelevant. Years go by, salaries go up...inflation I guess.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Kerry didn't get his contract this year so comparing him to those guys is irrelevant. Years go by, salaries go up...inflation I guess.

 

Apparently comparing him to anyone is irrelevant.

[impaler_240]

Kerry didn't get his contract this year so comparing him to those guys is irrelevant. Years go by, salaries go up...inflation I guess.

 

Apparently comparing him to anyone is irrelevant.

 

There is no crying in baseball. 8)

 

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