Jacque to the Yanks ?

[RynoRules]

Make this deal yesterday. The only downside, is who replaces him? Pie isn't ready. Mabry full time?

 

Does it really matter? We don't need someone in RF until next season.

 

Exactly. Hell, put Blanco out in RF when Barrett returns and call up Soto. That should be at least good for a laugh or two.

 

Blanco in RF would be close to the funniest thing in the history of the game. Funnier than Hundley even.

 

I honestly see Henry and wonder if he can even run. I get the feeling it hurts him to do so, sort of like Ron Cey at he end of his career.

[goonys evil twin]

Billy Ray Valentine: Okay, pork belly prices have been dropping all morning, which means that everybody is waiting for it to hit rock bottom, so they can buy low. Which means that the people who own the pork belly contracts are saying, "Hey, we're losing all our darn money, and Christmas is around the corner, and I ain't gonna have no money to buy my son the G.I. Joe with the kung-fu grip! And my wife ain't gonna f... my wife ain't gonna make love to me if I got no money!" So they're panicking right now, they're screaming "SELL! SELL!" to get out before the price keeps dropping. They're panicking out there right now, I can feel it.

 

 

 

Get back in there and sell! SELL GO#$@%MIT! SELL!

 

Mortimer, your brother is not well. We better call an ambulance.

 

$#@& him! Now, you listen to me! I want trading reopened right now. Get those brokers back in here! Turn those machines back on! TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!

[Illini Iceman]

The Cubs are not a small market team and shouldn't need to do a "salary dump" of $5M per year contract.

 

Instead of giving away a guy that is doing pretty well they should hold on to him for the season and try to upgrade other positions over the winter.

 

If there was a run producing LF with power in the Cubs lineup Jones would be a nice complimentary player in the 7 hole. The problem is not Jones or the amount they are paying him, it is the production in the rest of the lineup.

 

With Maddux and most likely Wood and Pierre off the books next year the Cubs should have enough in the budget to go after a quality starting pitcher and LF'er. Whether Hendry can pull it off or not is another question, but Jones not being here will not make it any easier, it would just give Hendry one more hole to fill.

[BigbadB]

The Cubs are not a small market team and shouldn't need to do a "salary dump" of $5M per year contract.

 

Instead of giving away a guy that is doing pretty well they should hold on to him for the season and try to upgrade other positions over the winter.

 

If there was a run producing LF with power in the Cubs lineup Jones would be a nice complimentary player in the 7 hole. The problem is not Jones or the amount they are paying him, it is the production in the rest of the lineup.

 

With Maddux and most likely Wood and Pierre off the books next year the Cubs should have enough in the budget to go after a quality starting pitcher and LF'er. Whether Hendry can pull it off or not is another question, but Jones not being here will not make it any easier, it would just give Hendry one more hole to fill.

 

It's fine by me to have another hole to fill. Jones does not fit what the Cubs need. If someone is willing to take him off the Cubs hands, I applaud that deal. Unfortunately, I have no faith in Hendry to actually do it.

[goonys evil twin]

The Cubs are not a small market team and shouldn't need to do a "salary dump" of $5M per year contract.

 

Instead of giving away a guy that is doing pretty well they should hold on to him for the season and try to upgrade other positions over the winter.

 

What difference does it make if he's doing well right now. Jones has done well over short periods quite often in his career. The point is he's not good overall. If I had any confidence that he'd maintain this level of production for three years, I'd be all for holding onto him and his contract. The problem is that he is past his prime, and his career path makes it very unlikely that he will maintain these numbers. He is not going to be a core player on any solid Cubs team.

[beer man]

Iceman - is Jones going to be part of the next Cub winning team? Right now he is part of the problem, not a solution.

 

Trade the stupidest baserunner, and the worst thrower in the league - trade him when you can!

 

See ya frenchie! Thanks for all the laughs!

Edited June 22, 2006 by beer man

[Illini Iceman]

The Cubs are not a small market team and shouldn't need to do a "salary dump" of $5M per year contract.

 

Instead of giving away a guy that is doing pretty well they should hold on to him for the season and try to upgrade other positions over the winter.

 

What difference does it make if he's doing well right now. Jones has done well over short periods quite often in his career. The point is he's not good overall. If I had any confidence that he'd maintain this level of production for three years, I'd be all for holding onto him and his contract. The problem is that he is past his prime, and his career path makes it very unlikely that he will maintain these numbers. He is not going to be a core player on any solid Cubs team.

 

I am not thrilled by Jones, so it would not bother me to see him traded if they got something back of value.

 

My objection is more to the concept of giving him away for nothing as a salary dump.

[BigbadB]

My objection is more to the concept of giving him away for nothing as a salary dump.

 

Agreed. However, they obtained him in what I would call a salary dump. :D

[frostwyrm]

The Cubs are not a small market team and shouldn't need to do a "salary dump" of $5M per year contract.

 

Instead of giving away a guy that is doing pretty well they should hold on to him for the season and try to upgrade other positions over the winter.

 

If there was a run producing LF with power in the Cubs lineup Jones would be a nice complimentary player in the 7 hole. The problem is not Jones or the amount they are paying him, it is the production in the rest of the lineup.

 

With Maddux and most likely Wood and Pierre off the books next year the Cubs should have enough in the budget to go after a quality starting pitcher and LF'er. Whether Hendry can pull it off or not is another question, but Jones not being here will not make it any easier, it would just give Hendry one more hole to fill.

So you think Jones has turned a corner and is finally realizing his full potential? If so, I'm sure you're in the minority here. Most of us just see a mediocre player on a hot streak.

[goonys evil twin]

My objection is more to the concept of giving him away for nothing as a salary dump.

 

A year from now if he's putting up a .254/.315/.427 line (his 2004 numbers) we'd love to just see him dumped. His solid 2006 numbers make it more possible to get rid of him. If you think he's capable of maintaining these numbers, I understand not wanting to dump him. But if you believe his career path indicates this won't last long, you'd be more than willing to just get rid of him.

 

But any trade of Jones is going to be more than a salary dump. Hendry would get back something for Jones or else he wouldn't trade him.

 

Also, even if Hendry was able to dump Jones's contract there is little hope that he'd be able to wisely apply the money saved on a solid improvement.

[E.J.]

I'd just like to see the NY fans response to every time Jones throws the ball straight into the ground when he's trying to throw out a runner. :lol:

[BigbadB]

My objection is more to the concept of giving him away for nothing as a salary dump.

 

A year from now if he's putting up a .254/.315/.427 line (his 2004 numbers) we'd love to just see him dumped. His solid 2006 numbers make it more possible to get rid of him. If you think he's capable of maintaining these numbers, I understand not wanting to dump him. But if you believe his career path indicates this won't last long, you'd be more than willing to just get rid of him.

 

But any trade of Jones is going to be more than a salary dump. Hendry would get back something for Jones or else he wouldn't trade him.

 

Also, even if Hendry was able to dump Jones's contract there is little hope that he'd be able to wisely apply the money saved on a solid improvement.

 

Exactly.

[USSoccer]

If ever Hendry needs to seize an opportunity and sell high, this would be it. You could probably get one of the better players in what's left of that system, and get out of what's going to turn out to be a waste of $15m and a starting spot.

 

This needs to be done yesterday.

[moorecg]

Make this deal yesterday. The only downside, is who replaces him? Pie isn't ready. Mabry full time?

Restovich?

 

What happened to Pagan? How's his hammy coming along?

[frostwyrm]

We should all remember that Todd Hollandsworth put up a .939 OPS over 167 plate appearances in 2004, but only dimwits like Jimbo and Dusty believed Todd could sustain those numbers. It's just a peculiarity of baseball that mediocre and even bad players can look pretty good sometimes.

[goonys evil twin]

We should all remember that Todd Hollandsworth put up a .939 OPS over 167 plate appearances in 2004, but only dimwits like Jimbo and Dusty believed Todd could sustain those numbers. It's just a peculiarity of baseball that mediocre and even bad players can look pretty good sometimes.

 

It's a peculiarity, but it's not that hard to understand. In the grand scheme of things, in comparison to all ballplayers, these guys are all elite baseball players. They are very good and very capable of doing amazing things with a bat and ball (well, maybe not all). The thing about baseball is that time and repeated competition against other elite players tends to bring the cream to the top. Many of these guys are good enough to hit against the best pitchers now and again and put together amazing streaks. But only the best maintain those numbers over time. And time has proven that Jacque isn't a 850-900 OPS player.

 

This isn't only a baseball thing though. Every year you see a running back come out of nowhere to have a great stretch where he dominates. Some guys put together an amazing single game performance. Or maybe a 4-6 game streak, and possibly even a season or two of greatness. But only the elite produce year in year out. Jim Miller looked like Marino for about a 4 game stretch a few years ago. That is equivalent to a 40 game stretch in baseball.

[soapy]

I just want to take a moment to applaud Goony's outstanding "Trading Places" reference, which seems to be lost on everyone.

 

Kudos

[goonys evil twin]

I just want to take a moment to applaud Goony's outstanding "Trading Places" reference, which seems to be lost on everyone.

 

Kudos

 

Looking good, Billy Ray!

[soccer10k]

I'm surprised that it took this long for this rumer to surface.

[Shavo]

I wan't Melky for Jones. I want it NOW.

[goonys evil twin]

I wan't Melky for Jones. I want it NOW.

 

I don't like Melky. His minor league career was quite pathetic, and his major league career has been no better. He's very young, but I don't see the upside. I'd say he'd be lucky to ever come close to the type of player Jones already is, and that's not even much of an accomplishment. I'd rather get somebody who could help the ballclub if at all possible. Maybe give up Jones, Walker and a bullpen arm to get something of greater value. Throw-in Rusch for the fun of it.

[Wheelimus]

Actually, dead honest, here would be my trade proposal.

 

Jacque Jones, Neifi Perez, and Glendon Rusch for....whatever.

 

The Yankees will love it because it's just money and, well, they don't care about money. They'll love it because they get something they need in Jacque for the nothing they have to give. And who knows, maybe the big apple will take to Glendon and he'll do something. As for Neifi, eh, who cares :lol:

[soccer10k]

Actually, dead honest, here would be my trade proposal.

 

Jacque Jones, Neifi Perez, and Glendon Rusch for....whatever.

 

The Yankees will love it because it's just money and, well, they don't care about money. They'll love it because they get something they need in Jacque for the nothing they have to give. And who knows, maybe the big apple will take to Glendon and he'll do something. As for Neifi, eh, who cares :lol:

 

Yeah, Glendon will eat the apple, and more.

 

In all seriousness, I wouldn't mind having the Cubs pay for their contract for the rest of this year (not the following two years in Jones' case) if that's what it took for the deal to go through.

[Roast]

Jones' trade value will likely never be higher and the Cubs are not contenders. Trading him is a no-brainer.

 

Exactly.

 

We have a chance to get out of this HORRID three year deal right now. PLEASE do it, jim. PLEASE.

[goonys evil twin]

Actually, dead honest, here would be my trade proposal.

 

Jacque Jones, Neifi Perez, and Glendon Rusch for....whatever.

 

The Yankees will love it because it's just money and, well, they don't care about money. They'll love it because they get something they need in Jacque for the nothing they have to give. And who knows, maybe the big apple will take to Glendon and he'll do something. As for Neifi, eh, who cares :lol:

 

Yeah, Glendon will eat the apple, and more.

 

In all seriousness, I wouldn't mind having the Cubs pay for their contract for the rest of this year (not the following two years in Jones' case) if that's what it took for the deal to go through.

 

If they are paying even part of the contract they better get significant talent in return.

 

NY knows Glendon well.