Barrett's Suspension Up Held-10 Games

[Chocolate Milk]

He's correct. In no way was it a sucker punch. AJP obviously didn't expect it. That's his fault not Barrett's. A punch being unexpected doesn't make it a sucker punch. He was face to face with Barrett and he had the opportunity to see it coming. By some people's definitions here I guess the first punch thrown in every single fight is a sucker punch unless there is some West Side Story square off or someone yells "PREPARE YOURSELF! PUNCH INCOMING!"

 

I know this wont convince the various Cardinals trolls (Not you bc2k) , but it's the truth.

 

 

If a guy isn't given an opportunity to defend himself, then it's a sucker-punch, in my opinion. Any of us can walk up to a guy and punch him in the face. Heck, my sister could do it, if the guy didn't know it was coming (and she'd likely at least knock the guy down or leave a mark....... unlike Barrett's love-tap).

 

Your efforts to bait people into pointless arguments not withstanding, your post makes little sense. What does the bolded even mean? How did AJ not have a chance to defend himself? He could have moved his shoulder up to deflect the punch when he saw it coming or turned away. Instead he stood there like a doofus. He was standing face to face with Barrett. Should Barrett have wound up, three stooges style, before he punched? What sort of warning should have been given? Perhaps he could have said , "Attention, sir! We are now combatants!!!"

 

Your definition of sucker punch makes no sense but considering you come here for the sole purpose of baiting Cubs fans into arguments, I'm not really surprised.

[K-Town]

He's correct. In no way was it a sucker punch. AJP obviously didn't expect it. That's his fault not Barrett's. A punch being unexpected doesn't make it a sucker punch. He was face to face with Barrett and he had the opportunity to see it coming. By some people's definitions here I guess the first punch thrown in every single fight is a sucker punch unless there is some West Side Story square off or someone yells "PREPARE YOURSELF! PUNCH INCOMING!"

 

I know this wont convince the various Cardinals trolls (Not you bc2k) ' date=' but it's the truth.[/quote']

 

 

If a guy isn't given an opportunity to defend himself, then it's a sucker-punch, in my opinion. Any of us can walk up to a guy and punch him in the face. Heck, my sister could do it, if the guy didn't know it was coming (and she'd likely at least knock the guy down or leave a mark....... unlike Barrett's love-tap).

 

Your efforts to bait people into pointless arguments not withstanding, your post makes little sense. What does the bolded even mean? How did AJ not have a chance to defend himself? He could have moved his shoulder up to deflect the punch when he saw it coming or turned away. Instead he stood there like a doofus. He was standing face to face with Barrett. Should Barrett have wound up, three stooges style, before he punched? What sort of warning should have been given? Perhaps he could have said , "Attention, sir! We are now combatants!!!"

 

Your definition of sucker punch makes no sense but considering you come here for the sole purpose of baiting Cubs fans into arguments, I'm not really surprised.

 

 

There should be some indication that a fight is about to occur. You either say "Let's go!" or "I'm going to knock your teeth out", or something. Considering words are exchanged on the ball field every day without punches being throw, I don't think there's ANY way that AJ could have expected that. If you have no clue that someone is about to hit you, and then they hit you, then it's a sucker-punch, in my opinion.

 

 

From Webster:

 

to punch (a person) suddenly without warning and often without apparent provocation

- sucker punch noun

 

 

That's pretty much EXACTLY what happened.

[Chocolate Milk]

You either say "Let's go!" or "I'm going to knock your teeth out", or something.

 

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

 

:lol: :lol:

[imb]

You either say "Let's go!" or "I'm going to knock your teeth out", or something.

 

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

 

:lol: :lol:

 

or "i didnt have the ball, bitch"

[Chocolate Milk]

You either say "Let's go!" or "I'm going to knock your teeth out", or something.

 

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

 

:lol: :lol:

 

or "i didnt have the ball, bitch"

 

I would think that qualfies as "something."

 

Edit: This is especially hilarious cosidering the whole "My sister can hit harder than that." macho post above.

 

"I've seen some rough scrapes in my day. Boy if I had a nickle for every "I'm going to knock your teeth out" I've heard, I'd be a rich man."

[K-Town]

You either say "Let's go!" or "I'm going to knock your teeth out", or something.

 

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

 

:lol: :lol:

 

or "i didnt have the ball, bitch"

 

 

Whatever.

 

I don't see a reason to make this case any longer. I think that many of you are trying to convince yourselves that it was OK, rather than me.......

[Chocolate Milk]

I let common sense and life experience convince me.

[K-Town]

I let common sense and life experience convince me.

 

Do you have alot of experience at being plowed over by a baserunner and then throwing a punch?

[Chocolate Milk]

I let common sense and life experience convince me.

 

Do you have alot of experience at being plowed over by a baserunner and then throwing a punch?

 

I thought you were done here?

 

I have seen sucker punches and I have seen fights start. It's my opinion that you haven't or are here just to start arguments. Personally, I believe it's the latter.

[impaler_240]

You either say "Let's go!" or "I'm going to knock your teeth out", or something.

 

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

 

:lol: :lol:

 

I agree. I LOL'd. :lol:

[srbin84]

You either say "Let's go!" or "I'm going to knock your teeth out", or something.

 

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

 

:lol: :lol:

 

or "i didnt have the ball, bitch"

 

 

Whatever.

 

I don't see a reason to make this case any longer. I think that many of you are trying to convince yourselves that it was OK, rather than me.......

 

As long as the other person clearly knows you are angry at them, it's fair to hit him without saying anything. Those are pretty much the rules. If you give them a verbal warning that you are about to hit them, you could end up getting hit first or they could duck out of the way, and don't count on them saying anything before they respond either.

[bc2k]

Those defending Barrett's punch must admit that the reason he punched AJP was because he had taken an ego hit losing the play at the plate and reacted like a child.

 

Barrett's physical reaction is an elementary response popular with children and adults who never learned to control that fundamental behavior.

There should be some indication that a fight is about to occur.

What, do you think some third party is gonna yell "ROUND! ONE! ... FIGHT!" like in Street Fighter II? I think people can figure out when a fight is gonna start. Some of you people still don't get what a sucker-punch is.

[impaler_240]

Those defending Barrett's punch must admit that the reason he punched AJP was because he had taken an ego hit losing the play at the plate and reacted like a child.

 

Barrett's physical reaction is an elementary response popular with children and adults who never learned to control that fundamental behavior.

 

it was still funny. :lol:

[bc2k]

There should be some indication that a fight is about to occur.

What, do you think some third party is gonna yell "ROUND! ONE! ... FIGHT!" like in Street Fighter II? I think people can figure out when a fight is gonna start. Some of you people still don't get what a sucker-punch is.

 

Eye contact would have been a start.

 

AJP was on the winning end of a clean play so there was no reason for him to expect a punch in the face.

 

I hate defending this guy because he is of questionable character, but this situation was entirely on Barrett.

[Andy]

You either say "Let's go!" or "I'm going to knock your teeth out", or something.

 

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

 

:lol: :lol:

 

or "i didnt have the ball, bitch"

 

 

Whatever.

 

I don't see a reason to make this case any longer. I think that many of you are trying to convince yourselves that it was OK, rather than me.......

No one is trying to say it was OK, they are just trying to say that it wasn't a jailable offense as you seem to think it was.

[jjgman21]

There should be some indication that a fight is about to occur.

What, do you think some third party is gonna yell "ROUND! ONE! ... FIGHT!" like in Street Fighter II? I think people can figure out when a fight is gonna start. Some of you people still don't get what a sucker-punch is.

 

Eye contact would have been a start.

 

AJP was on the winning end of a clean play so there was no reason for him to expect a punch in the face.

 

I hate defending this guy because he is of questionable character, but this situation was entirely on Barrett.

 

I haven't commented on the play until now, but I haven't subscribed to the notion that the play was clean. in my mind, the collision at the plate is a play reserved for one situation, to knock the ball out of possession of the catcher when he is waiting at the plate for the runner. hence the words Barrett chose to say (which by the way were clearly fighting words, thus it was not a sucker punch) to Palphabet before blasting him. I might be able to buy it if there was a close play, but the ball was about half way between third and home when Palphabet plowed over Barrett.

 

Furthermore, Palphabet obviously lowered his shoulder and plowed it into the middle of Barrett's chest. in my opinion, that's in the league of throwing at a batter's head. it goes beyond playing the game hard, but rather shows intent to injure.

 

combine the two, and I think it was an obviously dirty play. I also think the portrayal of the whole affair in the sports media was just typical 'it's not what happened, it's who did it' mentality. if it were the Cubs and the Pirates, there would have been much more even handed coverage of who was at fault in the situation.

 

all that said, I don't believe in violence, so I think Barrett was wrong, but he was a helluva lot more justified in his actions than some make him out to be, including MLB.

[K-Town]

There should be some indication that a fight is about to occur.

What, do you think some third party is gonna yell "ROUND! ONE! ... FIGHT!" like in Street Fighter II? I think people can figure out when a fight is gonna start. Some of you people still don't get what a sucker-punch is.

 

 

 

Main Entry: sucker punch

Function: transitive verb

: to punch (a person) suddenly without warning and often without apparent provocation

- sucker punch noun

 

 

 

Was there any warning that Barrett might throw a punch? Not unless you consider "I didn't have the ball" to mean "I'm going to hit you". That's quite a stretch.

 

Was there a lack or provocation? Considering that Barrett is a catcher, and that catchers get bowled over on almost a daily basis....... I'd also say it's quite a stretch to say that Barrett was provoked into throwing a punch.

 

 

Therefore, the shoe fits.

[woodchip2153]

One thing I noticed when I was watching the play was that not only did Barrett not have the ball, he wasn't blocking the plant. The back half of the plate was completely open for AJ to slide or run to, but he chose to plow over the unsuspecting Barrett who had less of a chance to prepare for that blow than AJ did for the punch.

 

I'm not defending what Barrett did. He clearly overreacted, but AJ isn't completely innocent like so many make him out to be.

[gus_dog]

Therefore, the shoe fits.

 

Don't you mean, "The shackles fit"?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

There should be some indication that a fight is about to occur.

What, do you think some third party is gonna yell "ROUND! ONE! ... FIGHT!" like in Street Fighter II? I think people can figure out when a fight is gonna start. Some of you people still don't get what a sucker-punch is.

 

 

 

Main Entry: sucker punch

Function: transitive verb

: to punch (a person) suddenly without warning and often without apparent provocation

- sucker punch noun

 

 

 

Was there any warning that Barrett might throw a punch? Not unless you consider "I didn't have the ball" to mean "I'm going to hit you". That's quite a stretch.

 

Was there a lack or provocation? Considering that Barrett is a catcher, and that catchers get bowled over on almost a daily basis....... I'd also say it's quite a stretch to say that Barrett was provoked into throwing a punch.

 

 

Therefore, the shoe fits.

 

What did AJ say to Barrett? I clearly saw his lips moving, but I haven't seen mention of it anywhere.

[cubfan1955]

There should be some indication that a fight is about to occur.

What, do you think some third party is gonna yell "ROUND! ONE! ... FIGHT!" like in Street Fighter II? I think people can figure out when a fight is gonna start. Some of you people still don't get what a sucker-punch is.

 

 

 

Main Entry: sucker punch

Function: transitive verb

: to punch (a person) suddenly without warning and often without apparent provocation

- sucker punch noun

 

 

 

Was there any warning that Barrett might throw a punch? Not unless you consider "I didn't have the ball" to mean "I'm going to hit you". That's quite a stretch.

 

Was there a lack or provocation? Considering that Barrett is a catcher, and that catchers get bowled over on almost a daily basis....... I'd also say it's quite a stretch to say that Barrett was provoked into throwing a punch.

 

 

Therefore, the shoe fits.

I believe saying "I didn't have the ball b**** qualifies as warning that Barrett considered he had been provoked. Therefore...the shoe does NOT fit.

[jjgman21]

There should be some indication that a fight is about to occur.

What, do you think some third party is gonna yell "ROUND! ONE! ... FIGHT!" like in Street Fighter II? I think people can figure out when a fight is gonna start. Some of you people still don't get what a sucker-punch is.

 

 

 

Main Entry: sucker punch

Function: transitive verb

: to punch (a person) suddenly without warning and often without apparent provocation

- sucker punch noun

 

 

 

Was there any warning that Barrett might throw a punch? Not unless you consider "I didn't have the ball" to mean "I'm going to hit you". That's quite a stretch.

 

Was there a lack or provocation? Considering that Barrett is a catcher, and that catchers get bowled over on almost a daily basis....... I'd also say it's quite a stretch to say that Barrett was provoked into throwing a punch.

 

 

Therefore, the shoe fits.

 

would you expect a big smooch if someone grabbed you around the neck and spoke to you with words that are not allowed in this forum?

 

would you feel provoked if someone ran into to you in an unnecessary way, in an unnecesary situation, and in an unnecessary location?

 

I think the better point is that Palphabet is a catcher, and therefore should know there are situations in which the collission is appropriate and that there is an appropriate way to do it. they both broke unspoken codes.

 

catchers get bowled over on a dailey basis...yeah, that's it. bowled over by the king of Siam, yeah that's it.

[K-Town]

There should be some indication that a fight is about to occur.

What, do you think some third party is gonna yell "ROUND! ONE! ... FIGHT!" like in Street Fighter II? I think people can figure out when a fight is gonna start. Some of you people still don't get what a sucker-punch is.

 

 

 

Main Entry: sucker punch

Function: transitive verb

: to punch (a person) suddenly without warning and often without apparent provocation

- sucker punch noun

 

 

 

Was there any warning that Barrett might throw a punch? Not unless you consider "I didn't have the ball" to mean "I'm going to hit you". That's quite a stretch.

 

Was there a lack or provocation? Considering that Barrett is a catcher, and that catchers get bowled over on almost a daily basis....... I'd also say it's quite a stretch to say that Barrett was provoked into throwing a punch.

 

 

Therefore, the shoe fits.

 

What did AJ say to Barrett? I clearly saw his lips moving, but I haven't seen mention of it anywhere.

 

According to Barrett, Pierzynski didn't say anything, so let's put that to rest.

 

 

 

Barrett said he didn't hear Pierzynski say anything, but he may have said something to the White Sox catcher.

 

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060520&content_id=1462906&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

[Ding Dong Johnson]

According to Barrett, Pierzynski didn't say anything, so let's put that to rest.

 

Barrett said he didn't hear Pierzynski say anything, but he may have said something to the White Sox catcher.

 

Your link

 

So, he just mouthed words?