Rusch vs. Fassero - Who is worse?

[impaler_240]

These are a few of the worst Cub pitchers in recent memory. Who do you think is worse? I'd say it's a tie...every time either one of them pitches, you know that the Cubs are going to lose the game.

 

At least Fassero wasn't fat.

[bleedcubbieblue]

These are a few of the worst Cub pitchers in recent memory. Who do you think is worse? I'd say it's a tie...every time either one of them pitches, you know that the Cubs are going to lose the game.

 

At least Fassero wasn't fat.

 

At this point, I don't think it matters. Sad, really, really sad.

 

BCB

[J.R.]

Fassero's still pitching. Rusch is likely done once we're relieved of the burden.

[badger1679666666]

Fassero's still pitching. Rusch is likely done once we're relieved of the burden.

 

1.5 years......

 

:puke:

[srbin84]

You'd have to include Hawkins and Alf in this too. To answer your question, I'll go with Fassero. At least with Rusch, you know the game is pretty much over before it begins. Fassero blew a lot of games we were winning.

[thedaymen]

Fassero pitched great for the Cubs for about two months in 2002 when he was the closer. I can't remember Rusch giving the Cubs two straight good months.

[srbin84]

Fassero pitched great for the Cubs for about two months in 2002 when he was the closer. I can't remember Rusch giving the Cubs two straight good months.

 

There was a point where Rusch was like 5-1 with a low 2's ERA as a starter in 2004.

[UMFan83]

Mel Rojas was awful

[J.R.]

Fassero pitched great for the Cubs for about two months in 2002 when he was the closer. I can't remember Rusch giving the Cubs two straight good months.

 

Wasn't it 2001?

[srbin84]

Fassero pitched great for the Cubs for about two months in 2002 when he was the closer. I can't remember Rusch giving the Cubs two straight good months.

 

Wasn't it 2001?

 

Yeah, it was. That was when Gordon was hurt.

[impaler_240]

You'd have to include Hawkins and Alf in this too. To answer your question, I'll go with Fassero. At least with Rusch, you know the game is pretty much over before it begins. Fassero blew a lot of games we were winning.

 

At least Alf had 6 fingers on his hands like the dude from Princess Bride. :lol:

[thedaymen]

Fassero pitched great for the Cubs for about two months in 2002 when he was the closer. I can't remember Rusch giving the Cubs two straight good months.

 

Wasn't it 2001?

 

I just looked at his stats...Fassero had a great 2001, stats wise. I do remember an issue with dead arm for about a month there at the end of the season...

[Banedon]

You'd have to include Hawkins and Alf in this too. To answer your question, I'll go with Fassero. At least with Rusch, you know the game is pretty much over before it begins. Fassero blew a lot of games we were winning.

 

At least Alf had 6 fingers on his hands like the dude from Princess Bride. :lol:

 

My name is Antonio Alfonseca. You killed my fastball. Prepare, to die.

[cjbucks]

Shawn Estes??

[srbin84]

Shawn Estes??

 

Yeah, for starters, I think he is the worst I've seen to go through an entire season.

[Andy]

Shawn Estes??

 

Yeah, for starters, I think he is the worst I've seen to go through an entire season.

Rusch 2006 will blow that away. With Estes at least the Cubs scored runs for him and sometimes they won anyway. (Estes was .500 that year despite sucking)

[impaler_240]

You'd have to include Hawkins and Alf in this too. To answer your question, I'll go with Fassero. At least with Rusch, you know the game is pretty much over before it begins. Fassero blew a lot of games we were winning.

 

At least Alf had 6 fingers on his hands like the dude from Princess Bride. :lol:

 

My name is Antonio Alfonseca. You killed my fastball. Prepare, to die.

 

:lol:

 

good show!

[Irrelevant Dude]

Mel Rojas was awful

I don't know what his stats were, but going off memory alone I think Mel Rojas would be tough to beat in the "worst pitcher" category.

[impaler_240]

Mel Rojas was awful

I don't know what his stats were, but going off memory alone I think Mel Rojas would be tough to beat in the "worst pitcher" category.

 

Rusch in 2006 has GOT to be worse. :?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Mel Rojas was awful

I don't know what his stats were, but going off memory alone I think Mel Rojas would be tough to beat in the "worst pitcher" category.

 

His ERA+ was 97. As bad as he was, he was far from the worst. That whole pitching staff was pathetic.

[Warren Brusstar]

You'd have to include Hawkins and Alf in this too. To answer your question, I'll go with Fassero. At least with Rusch, you know the game is pretty much over before it begins. Fassero blew a lot of games we were winning.

 

LaTroy Hawkins' ERA as a Cub - 2.76.

 

That statement is so wrong it's not even funny.

[series65cubsfan]

No one remembers Dave Smith? 0-6, 6.00 era, $1,900,000 in 1991?!?

[srbin84]

You'd have to include Hawkins and Alf in this too. To answer your question, I'll go with Fassero. At least with Rusch, you know the game is pretty much over before it begins. Fassero blew a lot of games we were winning.

 

LaTroy Hawkins' ERA as a Cub - 2.76.

 

That statement is so wrong it's not even funny.

 

69% Save Percentage disagrees.

[Warren Brusstar]

You'd have to include Hawkins and Alf in this too. To answer your question, I'll go with Fassero. At least with Rusch, you know the game is pretty much over before it begins. Fassero blew a lot of games we were winning.

 

LaTroy Hawkins' ERA as a Cub - 2.76.

 

That statement is so wrong it's not even funny.

 

69% Save Percentage disagrees.

 

A good percentage of those came as a set-up man, where he only had opportunities to lose the lead and never an opportunity to get a save. Every set-up man in the majors has a dreadful save percentage, because every time they blow a lead, it's a blow save, but when they do their job, it's a hold and not a save.

 

In any event, the notion that a guy that gave up less than 3 runs per 9 innings (substantially better than league average) is somehow the "worst" Cub pitcher over any period of time is insane. In fact, it's so insane that I can't even believe you're taking that position.

[srbin84]

You'd have to include Hawkins and Alf in this too. To answer your question, I'll go with Fassero. At least with Rusch, you know the game is pretty much over before it begins. Fassero blew a lot of games we were winning.

 

LaTroy Hawkins' ERA as a Cub - 2.76.

 

That statement is so wrong it's not even funny.

 

69% Save Percentage disagrees.

 

 

A good percentage of those came as a set-up man, where he only had opportunities to lose the lead and never an opportunity to get a save. Every set-up man in the majors has a dreadful save percentage, because every time they blow a lead, it's a blow save, but when they do their job, it's a hold and not a save.

 

In any event, the notion that a guy that gave up less than 3 runs per 9 innings (substantially better than league average) is somehow the "worst" Cub pitcher over any period of time is insane. In fact, it's so insane that I can't even believe you're taking that position.

 

If I remember correctly, Hawkins was very good as a setup man but moved to closer early in the season and had a terrible time holding a lead ever since. Maybe you take out a couple blown saves, but it's still an attrocious percentage for a closer. 80% is pretty much the bare min. to hold the position on a halfway decent team.