BaAvg./OBP difference

[BigSlick]

This is a slightly off-topic question, but if any of you amateur sabermetricians know the answer, I'd like to know.

 

Say you got two players with identical OBP's

 

I'll take an arbitrary number and say .380

 

Now lets say one of the player's batting average is .270, and the other's batting average is .330

 

How much (if at all) more valuable is the player with the higher batting average?

 

Now I know you gotta factor in slugging (lets say they have the same slugging, but that would imply that the hitter batting .270 gets more XBH) here, but how much more productive is a hit than a walk when we are talking about players?

 

When all other things are equal, you take the guy who has the advantage in the one area that is not.

 

I realize this, but how much more valuable is the player with the higher average?

 

I realize a single more than likely drives in a run then a walk...but again....I want to know how valuable that hit is.

[BigSlick]

The team we are supposedly emulating:

 

Thome - .281/.415 - 134

Dye - .301/.397 - 96

Podsednik - .247/.343 - 96

Konerko - .304/.381 - 77

Iguchi - .286/.336 - 50

Pierzynski - .320/.367 - 47

Crede - .289/.326 - 37

 

Podsednik's is particularly alarming, because this guy is actually taking walks and stealing bases.

 

Instead of what we got in centerfield, with a similar average, and waaaaay worse OBP.

[Magnetic Curses]

This is a slightly off-topic question, but if any of you amateur sabermetricians know the answer, I'd like to know.

 

Say you got two players with identical OBP's

 

I'll take an arbitrary number and say .380

 

Now lets say one of the player's batting average is .270, and the other's batting average is .330

 

How much (if at all) more valuable is the player with the higher batting average?

 

Now I know you gotta factor in slugging (lets say they have the same slugging, but that would imply that the hitter batting .270 gets more XBH) here, but how much more productive is a hit than a walk when we are talking about players?

 

When all other things are equal, you take the guy who has the advantage in the one area that is not.

 

I realize this, but how much more valuable is the player with the higher average?

 

I realize a single more than likely drives in a run then a walk...but again....I want to know how valuable that hit is.

 

i take the guy with the higher isoD, and i'll tell you why:

 

isoD is generally a more consistent statistic than BA. when the guy who's hitting .330 inevtiably hits a slump and is down around .270, his OBP will be at (assuming his isoD is remaining static) .320.

 

conversely, when the guy who's hitting .270 gets hot at the plate, (remember, isoD is static) and his average jumps to .300, his OBP is at a whopping .410, which is unbelievably valuable to winning.

 

the next year, the guy with the high isoD will invariably put up a good to great OBP regardless of whether his BA is at .260 or at .330, while the guy with the lower isoD will be very unpredictable.

[Magnetic Curses]

The team we are supposedly emulating:

 

Thome - .281/.415 - 134

Dye - .301/.397 - 96

Podsednik - .247/.343 - 96

Konerko - .304/.381 - 77

Iguchi - .286/.336 - 50

Pierzynski - .320/.367 - 47

Crede - .289/.326 - 37

 

Podsednik's is particularly alarming, because this guy is actually taking walks and stealing bases.

 

Instead of what we got in centerfield, with a similar average, and waaaaay worse OBP.

 

podsednik has lost his fear of the strikeout, apparently and is walking at an unprecedented clip, i wish our leadoff hitter weren't afraid to strikeout.

[BigSlick]

The team we are supposedly emulating:

 

Thome - .281/.415 - 134

Dye - .301/.397 - 96

Podsednik - .247/.343 - 96

Konerko - .304/.381 - 77

Iguchi - .286/.336 - 50

Pierzynski - .320/.367 - 47

Crede - .289/.326 - 37

 

Podsednik's is particularly alarming, because this guy is actually taking walks and stealing bases.

 

Instead of what we got in centerfield, with a similar average, and waaaaay worse OBP.

 

podsednik has lost his fear of the strikeout, apparently and is walking at an unprecedented clip, i wish our leadoff hitter weren't afraid to strikeout.

 

Isn't it unusual for a player this late in his career to develop a completely differnet approach to the plate? I wish we had the White Sox hitting coaches... :(

[David]

The team we are supposedly emulating:

 

Thome - .281/.415 - 134

Dye - .301/.397 - 96

Podsednik - .247/.343 - 96

Konerko - .304/.381 - 77

Iguchi - .286/.336 - 50

Pierzynski - .320/.367 - 47

Crede - .289/.326 - 37

 

Podsednik's is particularly alarming, because this guy is actually taking walks and stealing bases.

 

Instead of what we got in centerfield, with a similar average, and waaaaay worse OBP.

 

podsednik has lost his fear of the strikeout, apparently and is walking at an unprecedented clip, i wish our leadoff hitter weren't afraid to strikeout.

 

Isn't it unusual for a player this late in his career to develop a completely differnet approach to the plate? I wish we had the White Sox hitting coaches... :(

 

It's unusual, but it happens. 1998 Sosa, for instance.

[Rerisen]

This is a slightly off-topic question, but if any of you amateur sabermetricians know the answer, I'd like to know.

 

Say you got two players with identical OBP's

 

I'll take an arbitrary number and say .380

 

Now lets say one of the player's batting average is .270, and the other's batting average is .330

 

How much (if at all) more valuable is the player with the higher batting average?

 

Now I know you gotta factor in slugging (lets say they have the same slugging, but that would imply that the hitter batting .270 gets more XBH) here, but how much more productive is a hit than a walk when we are talking about players?

 

When all other things are equal, you take the guy who has the advantage in the one area that is not.

 

I realize this, but how much more valuable is the player with the higher average?

 

I realize a single more than likely drives in a run then a walk...but again....I want to know how valuable that hit is.

 

i take the guy with the higher isoD, and i'll tell you why:

 

isoD is generally a more consistent statistic than BA. when the guy who's hitting .330 inevtiably hits a slump and is down around .270, his OBP will be at (assuming his isoD is remaining static) .320.

 

conversely, when the guy who's hitting .270 gets hot at the plate, (remember, isoD is static) and his average jumps to .300, his OBP is at a whopping .410, which is unbelievably valuable to winning.

 

the next year, the guy with the high isoD will invariably put up a good to great OBP regardless of whether his BA is at .260 or at .330, while the guy with the lower isoD will be very unpredictable.

 

Good point. This is why a guy like Rickey Henderson still had a .387 OBP when his average was .219 with the Mets.