again about wood - Move Him to the Bullpen

[CubfaninCA]

Might as well give him a few extra days of rest, and hope he's going strong by July. If the Cubs stay around 10 under .500, try to trade Kerry for something.

 

I was listening to Angels' pregame talk today and they said the Angels are looking to make a significant move. Ervan Santana and some of their minor league studs could be available. I wouldn't mind the Cubs packaging Wood w/ Ramirez and loading up on young players.

[badger1679666666]

For the love of all things holy, how are you guys suggesting we get Wood to waive his NTC?

[CubfaninCA]

For the love of all things holy, how are you guys suggesting we get Wood to waive his NTC?

 

He's in his contract year.

 

What raises his value more? Pitching in a pennant race or pitching in a bunch of meaningless games?

 

Money talks....

[Transmogrified Tiger]

For the love of all things holy, how are you guys suggesting we get Wood to waive his NTC?

 

He's in his contract year.

 

What raises his value more? Pitching in a pennant race or pitching in a bunch of meaningless games?

 

Money talks....

 

Yep. At this point it's as simple as telling Kerry that his option is not going to be picked up, and since the Cubs' season is lost, it allows him to spend the last couple months of this contract in a pennant race.

[bhogg]

If Wood loves Chicago and the cubs so much, we might get a chance to see it put into action.

 

It's obvious that the cubs won't pick up the 13.5 millioin option. I'd venture to say that Wood has some value on the FA market.

 

Now, would he be willing to let the Cubs decline the option and set him up with an incentive laden 1 year deal?

 

Afterall, the cubs have paid him for the equivelant of 2 (or more) seasons where Woody failed to play (99, 2005, and various trips to the DL).

 

 

This would be the only situation I can think of where I'd like to see Wood come back.

 

 

With Wood and Maddux possibly coming off the books, that's 20 million the cubs have to work with. That will be nice.

[srbin84]

There is no reason some team won't give Wood a contract similar to what Burnett got.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I honestly believe getting rid of Wood will do two things:

 

1> Leave us with a huge hole in the starting rotation, eventially to be filled with the likes of Glendon Rusch.

 

2> Free up a ton of money that will only be spent on guys similar to Jaque Jones.

 

I dont trust Hendry with any kind of money to spend. The money being spent on Wood is at least justifiable in his potential, whereas some boneheaded move Hendry would do (ie Neifi, Jones) is just unexplainable. EVEN if Wood moves on to another team and never does much better then he has done here, I still think it will be a mistake for the Cubs to let him walk because I dont trust Hendry to spend that money wisely. Some earlier said that $20 million would be really nice to work with, and it would be, except when you give it to Dandy Andy MacPhail and Jimbo Hendry.

[Fro]

So you want to resign Wood for too much money and rely on him not getting hurt?

[srbin84]

I honestly believe getting rid of Wood will do two things:

 

1> Leave us with a huge hole in the starting rotation, eventially to be filled with the likes of Glendon Rusch.

 

2> Free up a ton of money that will only be spent on guys similar to Jaque Jones.

 

I dont trust Hendry with any kind of money to spend. The money being spent on Wood is at least justifiable in his potential, whereas some boneheaded move Hendry would do (ie Neifi, Jones) is just unexplainable. EVEN if Wood moves on to another team and never does much better then he has done here, I still think it will be a mistake for the Cubs to let him walk because I dont trust Hendry to spend that money wisely. Some earlier said that $20 million would be really nice to work with, and it would be, except when you give it to Dandy Andy MacPhail and Jimbo Hendry.

 

Schmidt isn't somebody I think the Cubs should be going after because of his age and potential contract, but I think if Wood goes to free agency, it would be a safer signing than Wood. If anybody disagrees, I'd like to hear to your argument.

Edited June 5, 2006 by srbin84

[minnesotacubsfan]

So you want to resign Wood for too much money and rely on him not getting hurt?

 

yes, and I would do it because:

 

1>I like Kerry Wood as a pitcher

2>As a way of keeping Hendry from hurting this team more then he already has.

 

Signing Rusch to any kind of a MLB contract is too much, and incentive ladden contract to Wood is not too much

[minnesotacubsfan]

I honestly believe getting rid of Wood will do two things:

 

1> Leave us with a huge hole in the starting rotation, eventially to be filled with the likes of Glendon Rusch.

 

2> Free up a ton of money that will only be spent on guys similar to Jaque Jones.

 

I dont trust Hendry with any kind of money to spend. The money being spent on Wood is at least justifiable in his potential, whereas some boneheaded move Hendry would do (ie Neifi, Jones) is just unexplainable. EVEN if Wood moves on to another team and never does much better then he has done here, I still think it will be a mistake for the Cubs to let him walk because I dont trust Hendry to spend that money wisely. Some earlier said that $20 million would be really nice to work with, and it would be, except when you give it to Dandy Andy MacPhail and Jimbo Hendry.

 

Schmidt isn't somebody I think the Cubs should be going after because of his age and potential contract, but I think if Wood goes to free agency, it would be a safer signing than Wood. If anybody disagrees, I'd like to hear to your argument.

 

I cant disagree that it would be safer, but do you trust Hendry to signing Schmidt? I really doubt he would...so in terms of "safer", I think Wood is the safer option to prevent the likes of a Glendon like pitcher that Hendry suddenly falls in love with coming to Chicago insted....

[srbin84]

I honestly believe getting rid of Wood will do two things:

 

1> Leave us with a huge hole in the starting rotation, eventially to be filled with the likes of Glendon Rusch.

 

2> Free up a ton of money that will only be spent on guys similar to Jaque Jones.

 

I dont trust Hendry with any kind of money to spend. The money being spent on Wood is at least justifiable in his potential, whereas some boneheaded move Hendry would do (ie Neifi, Jones) is just unexplainable. EVEN if Wood moves on to another team and never does much better then he has done here, I still think it will be a mistake for the Cubs to let him walk because I dont trust Hendry to spend that money wisely. Some earlier said that $20 million would be really nice to work with, and it would be, except when you give it to Dandy Andy MacPhail and Jimbo Hendry.

 

Schmidt isn't somebody I think the Cubs should be going after because of his age and potential contract, but I think if Wood goes to free agency, it would be a safer signing than Wood. If anybody disagrees, I'd like to hear to your argument.

 

I cant disagree that it would be safer, but do you trust Hendry to signing Schmidt? I really doubt he would...so in terms of "safer", I think Wood is the safer option to prevent the likes of a Glendon like pitcher that Hendry suddenly falls in love with coming to Chicago insted....

 

It's a Catch 22. If they keep Wood, there's a good chance he will go on the DL a lot in his new contract just like he always has. That's almost a gaurantee Rusch and pitchers like him will get some starts, and I've already seen this plan not work 2004-06. I agree with you that there is also a chance Hendry would not sign Schmidt and/or Zito for whatever reason, but I'd rather see him try to do that instead only because the current situation with Wood (and Prior) just isn't working at all. I don't think there is a viable way to compete consistently with him missing a month or more each year, and even if there was, we already know Hendry isn't interested in that.

[badger1679666666]

It's a Catch 22. If they keep Wood, there's a good chance he will go on the DL a lot in his new contract just like he always has. That's almost a gaurantee Rusch and pitchers like him will get some starts, and I've already seen this plan not work 2004-06. I agree with you that there is also a chance Hendry would not sign Schmidt and/or Zito for whatever reason, but I'd rather see him try to do that instead only because the current situation with Wood (and Prior) just isn't working at all. I don't think there is a viable way to compete consistently with him missing a month or more each year, and even if there was, we already know Hendry isn't interested in that.

 

I'm not sure how we can assume he will go on the DL. Yea, yea, I know his past - and I probably have some level of blinders on because Woody is my favorite Cub of the last 15 years, but looking at it semi objectively:

 

Wood had TJ surgery in 1999, came back in 2001 and never had elbow problems again.

 

Wood had Shoulder surgery in 2005, he's come back, and how do we know his shoulder problems aren't behind him now too?

 

Prior events to not predict future ones, or something like that. If he pitches this year well, gets a 1 year incentive laden deal and pitches all of next year well, how do you NOT give him a contract? Pitchers with Wood's stuff, desire, and character do not come around everyday.

 

Sure he could go somewhere and toil/convert to a closer etc. But what do you say to yourself if he goes somewhere and returns to being dominant ala 1998, 2001-2003?

[minnesotacubsfan]

It's a Catch 22. If they keep Wood, there's a good chance he will go on the DL a lot in his new contract just like he always has. That's almost a gaurantee Rusch and pitchers like him will get some starts, and I've already seen this plan not work 2004-06. I agree with you that there is also a chance Hendry would not sign Schmidt and/or Zito for whatever reason, but I'd rather see him try to do that instead only because the current situation with Wood (and Prior) just isn't working at all. I don't think there is a viable way to compete consistently with him missing a month or more each year, and even if there was, we already know Hendry isn't interested in that.

 

I'm not sure how we can assume he will go on the DL. Yea, yea, I know his past - and I probably have some level of blinders on because Woody is my favorite Cub of the last 15 years, but looking at it semi objectively:

 

Wood had TJ surgery in 1999, came back in 2001 and never had elbow problems again.

 

Wood had Shoulder surgery in 2005, he's come back, and how do we know his shoulder problems aren't behind him now too?

 

Prior events to not predict future ones, or something like that. If he pitches this year well, gets a 1 year incentive laden deal and pitches all of next year well, how do you NOT give him a contract? Pitchers with Wood's stuff, desire, and character do not come around everyday.

 

Sure he could go somewhere and toil/convert to a closer etc. But what do you say to yourself if he goes somewhere and returns to being dominant ala 1998, 2001-2003?

 

maybe there is something in the water up here in Minneapolis, but I cant agree with Badger more. Wood is worth too much as a starting pitcher then we would be able to replace IMO, uless somehow we were able to land a Kazmir or Loriano (sp?). yea right. Sign him, at least one year, to a resonable contract.

[srbin84]

It's a Catch 22. If they keep Wood, there's a good chance he will go on the DL a lot in his new contract just like he always has. That's almost a gaurantee Rusch and pitchers like him will get some starts, and I've already seen this plan not work 2004-06. I agree with you that there is also a chance Hendry would not sign Schmidt and/or Zito for whatever reason, but I'd rather see him try to do that instead only because the current situation with Wood (and Prior) just isn't working at all. I don't think there is a viable way to compete consistently with him missing a month or more each year, and even if there was, we already know Hendry isn't interested in that.

 

I'm not sure how we can assume he will go on the DL. Yea, yea, I know his past - and I probably have some level of blinders on because Woody is my favorite Cub of the last 15 years, but looking at it semi objectively:

 

Wood had TJ surgery in 1999, came back in 2001 and never had elbow problems again.

 

Wood had Shoulder surgery in 2005, he's come back, and how do we know his shoulder problems aren't behind him now too?

 

Prior events to not predict future ones, or something like that. If he pitches this year well, gets a 1 year incentive laden deal and pitches all of next year well, how do you NOT give him a contract? Pitchers with Wood's stuff, desire, and character do not come around everyday.

 

Sure he could go somewhere and toil/convert to a closer etc. But what do you say to yourself if he goes somewhere and returns to being dominant ala 1998, 2001-2003?

 

I'm looking it as the option or a multiyear gauranteed similar to what Burnett got. I'd be shocked if he signed an incentive laden one year deal with the Cubs or anyone else because I can't see why he wouldn't be a very desirable free agent, especially for teams like the Rangers, Astros, Mets, Red Sox and Yankees.

[badger1679666666]

It's a Catch 22. If they keep Wood, there's a good chance he will go on the DL a lot in his new contract just like he always has. That's almost a gaurantee Rusch and pitchers like him will get some starts, and I've already seen this plan not work 2004-06. I agree with you that there is also a chance Hendry would not sign Schmidt and/or Zito for whatever reason, but I'd rather see him try to do that instead only because the current situation with Wood (and Prior) just isn't working at all. I don't think there is a viable way to compete consistently with him missing a month or more each year, and even if there was, we already know Hendry isn't interested in that.

 

I'm not sure how we can assume he will go on the DL. Yea, yea, I know his past - and I probably have some level of blinders on because Woody is my favorite Cub of the last 15 years, but looking at it semi objectively:

 

Wood had TJ surgery in 1999, came back in 2001 and never had elbow problems again.

 

Wood had Shoulder surgery in 2005, he's come back, and how do we know his shoulder problems aren't behind him now too?

 

Prior events to not predict future ones, or something like that. If he pitches this year well, gets a 1 year incentive laden deal and pitches all of next year well, how do you NOT give him a contract? Pitchers with Wood's stuff, desire, and character do not come around everyday.

 

Sure he could go somewhere and toil/convert to a closer etc. But what do you say to yourself if he goes somewhere and returns to being dominant ala 1998, 2001-2003?

 

I'm looking it as the option or a multiyear gauranteed similar to what Burnett got. I'd be shocked if he signed an incentive laden one year deal with the Cubs or anyone else because I can't see why he wouldn't be a very desirable free agent, especially for teams like the Rangers, Astros, Mets, Red Sox and Yankees.

 

You're depressing me.

 

It should also be noted that 3.5 million is sunk cost of the buy out.

 

10 million is left.

 

If you give him a 6.5 million/year base plus 3.5 in incentives with a 2nd year option automatically vesting at 200 IP for 13 million I'd do it.

 

if burnett got as much as he did, I'd take Woody at 10 million.

[minnesotacubsfan]

It's a Catch 22. If they keep Wood, there's a good chance he will go on the DL a lot in his new contract just like he always has. That's almost a gaurantee Rusch and pitchers like him will get some starts, and I've already seen this plan not work 2004-06. I agree with you that there is also a chance Hendry would not sign Schmidt and/or Zito for whatever reason, but I'd rather see him try to do that instead only because the current situation with Wood (and Prior) just isn't working at all. I don't think there is a viable way to compete consistently with him missing a month or more each year, and even if there was, we already know Hendry isn't interested in that.

 

I'm not sure how we can assume he will go on the DL. Yea, yea, I know his past - and I probably have some level of blinders on because Woody is my favorite Cub of the last 15 years, but looking at it semi objectively:

 

Wood had TJ surgery in 1999, came back in 2001 and never had elbow problems again.

 

Wood had Shoulder surgery in 2005, he's come back, and how do we know his shoulder problems aren't behind him now too?

 

Prior events to not predict future ones, or something like that. If he pitches this year well, gets a 1 year incentive laden deal and pitches all of next year well, how do you NOT give him a contract? Pitchers with Wood's stuff, desire, and character do not come around everyday.

 

Sure he could go somewhere and toil/convert to a closer etc. But what do you say to yourself if he goes somewhere and returns to being dominant ala 1998, 2001-2003?

 

I'm looking it as the option or a multiyear gauranteed similar to what Burnett got. I'd be shocked if he signed an incentive laden one year deal with the Cubs or anyone else because I can't see why he wouldn't be a very desirable free agent, especially for teams like the Rangers, Astros, Mets, Red Sox and Yankees.

 

i DISAGREE. i THINK ANYONE OF THOSE TEAMS IS GOING TO OFFER A CONTRACT VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CUBS COULD PUT TOGETHER, THEY ALL HAVE SEEN WOOD GO THROUGH HIS INJURIES JUST LIKE US. THAT BEING SAID, IF A SMARTLY RUN CLUB LIKE THE RED SOX ARE WILLING TO GIVE WOOD A CONTRACT, WHY SHOULDNT WE???

 

 

edit: sorry for the all caps

[NCCubFan]

If they keep Wood, there's a good chance he will go on the DL a lot in his new contract just like he always has.

He hasn't always. He spent a combined total of zero days on the DL in 2002 and 2003.

[srbin84]

If they keep Wood, there's a good chance he will go on the DL a lot in his new contract just like he always has.

He hasn't always. He spent a combined total of zero days on the DL in 2002 and 2003.

 

If you think it's a good idea to give him a Burnett contract, that's fine, but I think it would be really stupid.

[badger1679666666]

If they keep Wood, there's a good chance he will go on the DL a lot in his new contract just like he always has.

He hasn't always. He spent a combined total of zero days on the DL in 2002 and 2003.

 

If you think it's a good idea to give him a Burnett contract, that's fine, but I think it would be really stupid.

 

Who said anything about a burnett contract. We're talking about picking up his option/restructuring it for next year.

[CubfaninCA]

I honestly believe getting rid of Wood will do two things:

 

1> Leave us with a huge hole in the starting rotation, eventially to be filled with the likes of Glendon Rusch.

 

2> Free up a ton of money that will only be spent on guys similar to Jaque Jones.

 

I dont trust Hendry with any kind of money to spend. The money being spent on Wood is at least justifiable in his potential, whereas some boneheaded move Hendry would do (ie Neifi, Jones) is just unexplainable. EVEN if Wood moves on to another team and never does much better then he has done here, I still think it will be a mistake for the Cubs to let him walk because I dont trust Hendry to spend that money wisely. Some earlier said that $20 million would be really nice to work with, and it would be, except when you give it to Dandy Andy MacPhail and Jimbo Hendry.

 

what's wrong w/ jacque jones?

[wastra]

I don't think we should move Wood to the pen...I think we should move him to the outfield. :shock: :wink:

[wastra]

In all seriousness, I don't think just cutting ties with Wood is a great idea. I'd at least check out his willingness to be a Cub by offering a short, cheap, heavily-incentive laden contract that can escalate into big bucks for him if he throws 200+ innings.

 

Small base salary, lots of bonuses for 150 IP, 180 IP, 200 IP, etc.