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[minnesotacubsfan]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5651570

[cubfan1955]

That is just ridiculous to pay a guy $22 million for a little more than half a season no matter how good he is. I hope he breaks his leg in his first start.

[goonys evil twin]

That is just ridiculous to pay a guy $22 million for a little more than half a season no matter how good he is. I hope he breaks his leg in his first start.

 

When he is added to the major league roster, he gets a one-year contract worth $22,000,022 - his uniform number is 22. Because he won't be playing the full season, he gets only a prorated percentage of that, which would come to about $12.25 million if he rejoins Houston in late June. The tentative goal is to have him start against the Minnesota Twins on June 22 - if he's put on the big league roster on that day, he would earn $12,632,307.

[Caryatid]

That is just ridiculous to pay a guy $22 million for a little more than half a season no matter how good he is. I hope he breaks his leg in his first start.

 

This is the atttitude the Cubs Front Office always has, and it bites them every time. They would always rather go for quantity over quality.

 

He'll make $13 million for the rest of the year, or roughly equal to the salaries the Cubs are paying to:

 

Hairston ((2.3)

Perez (2.5)

Rusch (2.75)

Pierre (5.75)

 

So would you rather pay $13 million for one great player, or $13.4 for four awful ones?

[cubfan1955]

That is just ridiculous to pay a guy $22 million for a little more than half a season no matter how good he is. I hope he breaks his leg in his first start.

 

When he is added to the major league roster, he gets a one-year contract worth $22,000,022 - his uniform number is 22. Because he won't be playing the full season, he gets only a prorated percentage of that, which would come to about $12.25 million if he rejoins Houston in late June. The tentative goal is to have him start against the Minnesota Twins on June 22 - if he's put on the big league roster on that day, he would earn $12,632,307.

Oops...missed that part. Still too much though.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

So would you rather pay $13 million for one great player, or $13.4 for four awful ones?

 

I will give that some serious thought and get back to you. The overall contributions from those 4 need to be weighed in a manner where the comparison is fair, not to mention the... oh, who am I kidding?

[cubfan1955]

That is just ridiculous to pay a guy $22 million for a little more than half a season no matter how good he is. I hope he breaks his leg in his first start.

 

This is the atttitude the Cubs Front Office always has, and it bites them every time. They would always rather go for quantity over quality.

 

He'll make $13 million for the rest of the year, or roughly equal to the salaries the Cubs are paying to:

 

Hairston ((2.3)

Perez (2.5)

Rusch (2.75)

Pierre (5.75)

 

So would you rather pay $13 million for one great player, or $13.4 for four awful ones?

Well that only works if you are planning on playing with only 21 players on the roster. I know they vastly overpaid for their bench but you do still have to pay players 22 through 25.

[goonys evil twin]

That is just ridiculous to pay a guy $22 million for a little more than half a season no matter how good he is. I hope he breaks his leg in his first start.

 

When he is added to the major league roster, he gets a one-year contract worth $22,000,022 - his uniform number is 22. Because he won't be playing the full season, he gets only a prorated percentage of that, which would come to about $12.25 million if he rejoins Houston in late June. The tentative goal is to have him start against the Minnesota Twins on June 22 - if he's put on the big league roster on that day, he would earn $12,632,307.

Oops...missed that part. Still too much though.

 

Why? He's very likely to give you 4 months of some of the best starting pitching in the game (and bring in a ton of outside revenue). As has been pointed out elsewhere, when teams choose to spread the money around (really I'm talking about the Cubs now) they tend to overpay a bunch of mediocre or worse players to do what some minimum wage kid can do. Why pay $12+m on scrubs that can be replaced with $300k kids and a $12+m stud?

[Caryatid]

That is just ridiculous to pay a guy $22 million for a little more than half a season no matter how good he is. I hope he breaks his leg in his first start.

 

This is the atttitude the Cubs Front Office always has, and it bites them every time. They would always rather go for quantity over quality.

 

He'll make $13 million for the rest of the year, or roughly equal to the salaries the Cubs are paying to:

 

Hairston ((2.3)

Perez (2.5)

Rusch (2.75)

Pierre (5.75)

 

So would you rather pay $13 million for one great player, or $13.4 for four awful ones?

Well that only works if you are planning on playing with only 21 players on the roster. I know they vastly overpaid for their bench but you do still have to pay players 22 through 25.

 

Theriot, Restovich, Coats: Each makes the minimum.

 

Would they somehow give the team less than what these guys have given the team?

[goonys evil twin]

Well that only works if you are planning on playing with only 21 players on the roster. I know they vastly overpaid for their bench but you do still have to pay players 22 through 25.

 

And you can pay them $325k, or similar, when you find the same level of production out of a kid. Theriot can do everything Neifi can do. Hill is a better option than Rusch. Soto could do Blanco's job with ease. Pierre was not a must have player.

 

This is why people complain when management overpays for mediocre players. It's not that we're concerned the Trib is wasting money. It's the fact that we know money is being misappropriated by a management team that believes heavily in overpaying bad veteran bench players and stears clear of star free agent difference makers.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Would they somehow give the team less than what these guys have given the team?

 

Ha! That's a trick question. It's not possible to give less than what those guys have given the team.

[cubfan1955]

And you can pay them $325k, or similar, when you find the same level of production out of a kid. Theriot can do everything Neifi can do. Hill is a better option than Rusch. Soto could do Blanco's job with ease. Pierre was not a must have player.

I'm all for it and have never defended Hendry in overpaying for bad bench players.

 

I just think $12 million plus for a little over half a season for a 43 year old pitcher is not a good baseball decision, for the Cubs or any team. He's not superman and no one defies the effects of age forever.

[goonys evil twin]

And you can pay them $325k, or similar, when you find the same level of production out of a kid. Theriot can do everything Neifi can do. Hill is a better option than Rusch. Soto could do Blanco's job with ease. Pierre was not a must have player.

I'm all for it and have never defended Hendry in overpaying for bad bench players.

 

I just think $12 million plus for a little over half a season for a 43 year old pitcher is not a good baseball decision, for the Cubs or any team. He's not superman and no one defies the effects of age forever.

 

He defied it for quite some time. It's not an absurd risk to gamble that he'll still be very good this year. And he pays back a huge chunk of that money in increased revenue.

[ConstableRabbit]

Yeah, like I said, it comes to like $7500 per pitch.

 

Seems like a waste... is he really worth that much?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

And you can pay them $325k, or similar, when you find the same level of production out of a kid. Theriot can do everything Neifi can do. Hill is a better option than Rusch. Soto could do Blanco's job with ease. Pierre was not a must have player.

I'm all for it and have never defended Hendry in overpaying for bad bench players.

 

I just think $12 million plus for a little over half a season for a 43 year old pitcher is not a good baseball decision, for the Cubs or any team. He's not superman and no one defies the effects of age forever.

 

He didn't pitch a whole heck of a lot, but he had a 2.08 ERA and 0.81 WHIP at the WBC. Not too bad for an old geezer.

[cubfan1955]

And you can pay them $325k, or similar, when you find the same level of production out of a kid. Theriot can do everything Neifi can do. Hill is a better option than Rusch. Soto could do Blanco's job with ease. Pierre was not a must have player.

I'm all for it and have never defended Hendry in overpaying for bad bench players.

 

I just think $12 million plus for a little over half a season for a 43 year old pitcher is not a good baseball decision, for the Cubs or any team. He's not superman and no one defies the effects of age forever.

 

He didn't pitch a whole heck of a lot, but he had a 2.08 ERA and 0.81 WHIP at the WBC. Not too bad for an old geezer.

Hey, we shall see. Seeing as how it's not the Cubs I'm sure it will work out just fine.

[RynoRules]

Yeah, like I said, it comes to like $7500 per pitch.

 

Seems like a waste... is he really worth that much?

 

It might be overpaying, but calling it an out-and-out "waste" isn't accurate.

[goonys evil twin]

Yeah, like I said, it comes to like $7500 per pitch.

 

Seems like a waste... is he really worth that much?

 

Define worth? Is it a ridiculous amount of money? Yes. But look at the salaries of Mussina, Johnson, Hampton, Pedro etc. They all get a ton of money per pitch. If Clemens pitches anywhere close to as well as he pitched last year, I'd have to say he was "worth" it, in relation to others who make the big bucks.

[Caryatid]

Look, its easy to make kooky "dollars per pitch/dollars per inning", etc. for players who make a lot of money. But the reality is that EVERY player is paid an unbelievable amount of money. And taking a 4 month flyer on a guy who has done nothing but dominate almost every year for the last 20 years versus paying four bad players the same amount is a good gamble for me.

 

Anyone ever figure out how much Pierre gets per RBI?

[fiver]

I don't think the Astros are making a poor baseball or business decision. Clemens will likely resume his role as an elite starting pitcher. He will fill the seats.

 

What is good for the Astros may not be good for the Cubs, however. Clemens can't increase attendance at Wrigley. Masochists such as you and I continually pack Wrigley already.

[stitchface]

I don't think the Astros are making a poor baseball or business decision. Clemens will likely resume his role as an elite starting pitcher. He will fill the seats.

 

What is good for the Astros may not be good for the Cubs, however. Clemens can't increase attendance at Wrigley. Masochists such as you and I continually pack Wrigley already.

 

Plus the Astros believe that is $12 million that will push them over the top to win the world series. I would certainly spend that for one player if I believed that player could win me the world series.

[JakeSlater]

That is just ridiculous to pay a guy $22 million for a little more than half a season no matter how good he is. I hope he breaks his leg in his first start.

 

This is the atttitude the Cubs Front Office always has, and it bites them every time. They would always rather go for quantity over quality.

 

He'll make $13 million for the rest of the year, or roughly equal to the salaries the Cubs are paying to:

 

Hairston ((2.3)

Perez (2.5)

Rusch (2.75)

Pierre (5.75)

 

So would you rather pay $13 million for one great player, or $13.4 for four awful ones?

 

Ok, I'll give you 3 of those players, although I think one of those players has a lot of upside on defense.

 

But to call Pierre awful is a BIG stretch. Struggling in 1/4 of the year, even if he's starting to come back little by little, does not an awful player make. He's been quite good over the past few years.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

Look, its easy to make kooky "dollars per pitch/dollars per inning", etc. for players who make a lot of money. But the reality is that EVERY player is paid an unbelievable amount of money. And taking a 4 month flyer on a guy who has done nothing but dominate almost every year for the last 20 years versus paying four bad players the same amount is a good gamble for me.

 

Anyone ever figure out how much Pierre gets per RBI?

 

Not a fair comparison, Pierre was not brought in to drive guys in. Sure, it is part of his all around job duty, but I would rather his RBI's be down and his OBP up!

[Abe Frohman]

He'll make $13 million for the rest of the year, or roughly equal to the salaries the Cubs are paying to:

 

Hairston ((2.3)

Perez (2.5)

Rusch (2.75)

Pierre (5.75)

 

All that money, and Clemens is the only one of those 5 who is not really overpaid....

[goonys evil twin]

That is just ridiculous to pay a guy $22 million for a little more than half a season no matter how good he is. I hope he breaks his leg in his first start.

 

This is the atttitude the Cubs Front Office always has, and it bites them every time. They would always rather go for quantity over quality.

 

He'll make $13 million for the rest of the year, or roughly equal to the salaries the Cubs are paying to:

 

Hairston ((2.3)

Perez (2.5)

Rusch (2.75)

Pierre (5.75)

 

So would you rather pay $13 million for one great player, or $13.4 for four awful ones?

 

Ok, I'll give you 3 of those players, although I think one of those players has a lot of upside on defense.

 

But to call Pierre awful is a BIG stretch. Struggling in 1/4 of the year, even if he's starting to come back little by little, does not an awful player make. He's been quite good over the past few years.

 

Who has upside based on defense? And what does that even mean? Is the player playing really poorly on defense but he has a good chance of being great with some development?

 

It is not a stretch at all to call Pierre awful. He's had a mediocre career. He sucked last year and he's been awful this year. Just because he's famous and a lot of people call him a prototypical leadoff man doesn't mean he's not awful.