It's Time for Hendry to Go

[CubfaninCA]

depo would be alright, but no way would the trib let him sign jd drew. la would still have adrian beltre, if the trib owned them.

 

i did like the lowe signing and the penny trade. iirc he signed kent too. can't recall much else he did beyond that.

[JeffH]

IF (big if) Hendry were to be let go, who do you bring in as GM?

 

Would Gerry Hunsicker be interested?

 

3 words- Paul De Podesta

 

the only currently available guy whose philosophy i agree with. give him 5 years to develop a farm system full of patient ballplayers and we'll be a perrenial contender.

 

While realizing that we all are working with incomplete information, I'd say Hunsicker would be a top notch choice.

[Magnetic Curses]

depo would be alright, but no way would the trib let him sign jd drew. la would still have adrian beltre, if the trib owned them.

 

i did like the lowe signing and the penny trade. iirc he signed kent too. can't recall much else he did beyond that.

 

he didn't have much time at all to do much more than that, really.

[LeftCoastCubFan]

There is absolutely no chance that Hendry is fired anytime before the end of the season, and probably no chance he's fired before calendar year 2008. It's unfortunate, but it's true.

Agreed. It's against the Trib's management philosophy of paying two people to do one job. And from a business standpoint, the Hendry era has been the most profitable, and the Cubs are a business first.

 

They've fired plenty of management types midseason and kept on paying them.

Field managers yes, management no.

 

Ed Lynch?

He resigned. He offered it in May. MacPhail didn't accept it till July.

[srbin84]

Trading Lo Duca was stupid because, overrated or not, he was one of the the better cathers in the NL and was replaced with Mayne and Ross IIRC. I'm sure their combined numbers were well below Neifi's career averages. He traded his lefty specialist (Tom Martin) to the Braves, a potential playoff opponent at that. Same with leadoff man Dave Roberts. Say what you will about Roberts and leadoff men, but he was 33 of 34 in steals and putting up his usual, solid .340 OBP at the time of the trades. These were the players that made that team good. They were in first place, playing great baseball and had a nice little lead in the division race. They looked like a legit contender before, and after, it looked like the 98 Cubs: a team you just knew was going to get waxed in the playoffs, and they did.

[Lefty]

No to Depodesta. He made stupid trades that ruined a team headed for the playoffs. If we are going to go the Moneyball route, we should go after Beane.

 

This is all irrelevant but DePo's team made it to the playoffs his first year. And I don't think that appearance was inevitable before he got there. And which stupid trades? Mr. Hendry, you should know better than to get involved with this thread.

[Lefty]

Trading Lo Duca was stupid because, overrated or not, he was one of the the better cathers in the NL and was replaced with Mayne and Ross IIRC. I'm sure their combined numbers were well below Neifi's career averages. He traded his lefty specialist (Tom Martin) to the Braves, a potential playoff opponent at that. Same with leadoff man Dave Roberts. Say what you will about Roberts and leadoff men, but he was 33 of 34 in steals and putting up his usual, solid .340 OBP at the time of the trades. These were the players that made that team good. They were in first place, playing great baseball and had a nice little lead in the division race. They looked like a legit contender before, and after, it looked like the 98 Cubs: a team you just knew was going to get waxed in the playoffs, and they did.

 

But the Dodgers held on and won the division. Would LoDuca and Roberts have made a difference in '06? Give it a rest Jim. Or are you Bill Plaschke?

[srbin84]

Trading Lo Duca was stupid because, overrated or not, he was one of the the better cathers in the NL and was replaced with Mayne and Ross IIRC. I'm sure their combined numbers were well below Neifi's career averages. He traded his lefty specialist (Tom Martin) to the Braves, a potential playoff opponent at that. Same with leadoff man Dave Roberts. Say what you will about Roberts and leadoff men, but he was 33 of 34 in steals and putting up his usual, solid .340 OBP at the time of the trades. These were the players that made that team good. They were in first place, playing great baseball and had a nice little lead in the division race. They looked like a legit contender before, and after, it looked like the 98 Cubs: a team you just knew was going to get waxed in the playoffs, and they did.

 

But the Dodgers held on and won the division. Would LoDuca and Roberts have made a difference in '06? Give it a rest Jim. Or are you Bill Plaschke?

 

If that team didn't have the benefit of the lead the old Dodgers team created, they would have missed the playoffs. The second version wasn't a playoff team based on how they played.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Trading Lo Duca was stupid because, overrated or not, he was one of the the better cathers in the NL and was replaced with Mayne and Ross IIRC. I'm sure their combined numbers were well below Neifi's career averages. He traded his lefty specialist (Tom Martin) to the Braves, a potential playoff opponent at that. Same with leadoff man Dave Roberts. Say what you will about Roberts and leadoff men, but he was 33 of 34 in steals and putting up his usual, solid .340 OBP at the time of the trades. These were the players that made that team good. They were in first place, playing great baseball and had a nice little lead in the division race. They looked like a legit contender before, and after, it looked like the 98 Cubs: a team you just knew was going to get waxed in the playoffs, and they did.

 

But the Dodgers held on and won the division. Would LoDuca and Roberts have made a difference in '06? Give it a rest Jim. Or are you Bill Plaschke?

 

If that team didn't have the benefit of the lead the old Dodgers team created, they would have missed the playoffs. The second version wasn't a playoff team based on how they played.

 

Record before the trade: 60-43, .583

Record after the trade: 33-26, .560

 

Number of wins a .583 team gets over 59 games: 34

 

They were pretty much the same team.

[srbin84]

Trading Lo Duca was stupid because, overrated or not, he was one of the the better cathers in the NL and was replaced with Mayne and Ross IIRC. I'm sure their combined numbers were well below Neifi's career averages. He traded his lefty specialist (Tom Martin) to the Braves, a potential playoff opponent at that. Same with leadoff man Dave Roberts. Say what you will about Roberts and leadoff men, but he was 33 of 34 in steals and putting up his usual, solid .340 OBP at the time of the trades. These were the players that made that team good. They were in first place, playing great baseball and had a nice little lead in the division race. They looked like a legit contender before, and after, it looked like the 98 Cubs: a team you just knew was going to get waxed in the playoffs, and they did.

 

But the Dodgers held on and won the division. Would LoDuca and Roberts have made a difference in '06? Give it a rest Jim. Or are you Bill Plaschke?

 

If that team didn't have the benefit of the lead the old Dodgers team created, they would have missed the playoffs. The second version wasn't a playoff team based on how they played.

 

Record before the trade: 60-43, .583

Record after the trade: 33-26, .560

 

Number of wins a .583 team gets over 59 games: 34

 

They were pretty much the same team.

 

Except for the fact that the winning percentage the second version of the team had, spread over the course of a full season, would have put them a game back of S.F. and out of the playoffs. There is almost 4 wins difference between the two...isn't that about the impact Lee has on the Cubs over 4 months or so per that article done here awhile back? That's a significant difference, isn't it?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Trading Lo Duca was stupid because, overrated or not, he was one of the the better cathers in the NL and was replaced with Mayne and Ross IIRC. I'm sure their combined numbers were well below Neifi's career averages. He traded his lefty specialist (Tom Martin) to the Braves, a potential playoff opponent at that. Same with leadoff man Dave Roberts. Say what you will about Roberts and leadoff men, but he was 33 of 34 in steals and putting up his usual, solid .340 OBP at the time of the trades. These were the players that made that team good. They were in first place, playing great baseball and had a nice little lead in the division race. They looked like a legit contender before, and after, it looked like the 98 Cubs: a team you just knew was going to get waxed in the playoffs, and they did.

 

But the Dodgers held on and won the division. Would LoDuca and Roberts have made a difference in '06? Give it a rest Jim. Or are you Bill Plaschke?

 

If that team didn't have the benefit of the lead the old Dodgers team created, they would have missed the playoffs. The second version wasn't a playoff team based on how they played.

 

Record before the trade: 60-43, .583

Record after the trade: 33-26, .560

 

Number of wins a .583 team gets over 59 games: 34

 

They were pretty much the same team.

 

Except for the fact that the winning percentage the second version of the team had, spread over the course of a full season, would have put them a game back of S.F. and out of the playoffs. There is almost 4 wins difference between the two...isn't that about the impact Lee has on the Cubs over 4 months or so per that article done here awhile back? That's a significant difference, isn't it?

 

You can't project out for the larger sample and assume its accuracy. And even then, it ignores the fact that the trade impacted about 8-12% of the roster, and ignores the fact that you're reneging on your original claim.

[CubfaninCA]

No way the Trib hires DePo considering his track record.

 

DePo presided over the worse Dodger team in a long time in 2005 & the media hated him. He needs to brush up on his p.r. skills.

 

The 2005 team had some cub luck and had some big injuries (drew & gagne), but I think the trib would look at his 71-91 and say no way. Hendry hasn't been that bad.

[srbin84]

Trading Lo Duca was stupid because, overrated or not, he was one of the the better cathers in the NL and was replaced with Mayne and Ross IIRC. I'm sure their combined numbers were well below Neifi's career averages. He traded his lefty specialist (Tom Martin) to the Braves, a potential playoff opponent at that. Same with leadoff man Dave Roberts. Say what you will about Roberts and leadoff men, but he was 33 of 34 in steals and putting up his usual, solid .340 OBP at the time of the trades. These were the players that made that team good. They were in first place, playing great baseball and had a nice little lead in the division race. They looked like a legit contender before, and after, it looked like the 98 Cubs: a team you just knew was going to get waxed in the playoffs, and they did.

 

But the Dodgers held on and won the division. Would LoDuca and Roberts have made a difference in '06? Give it a rest Jim. Or are you Bill Plaschke?

 

If that team didn't have the benefit of the lead the old Dodgers team created, they would have missed the playoffs. The second version wasn't a playoff team based on how they played.

 

Record before the trade: 60-43, .583

Record after the trade: 33-26, .560

 

Number of wins a .583 team gets over 59 games: 34

 

They were pretty much the same team.

 

Except for the fact that the winning percentage the second version of the team had, spread over the course of a full season, would have put them a game back of S.F. and out of the playoffs. There is almost 4 wins difference between the two...isn't that about the impact Lee has on the Cubs over 4 months or so per that article done here awhile back? That's a significant difference, isn't it?

 

You can't project out for the larger sample and assume its accuracy. And even then, it ignores the fact that the trade impacted about 8-12% of the roster, and ignores the fact that you're reneging on your original claim.

 

No, I'm not, in my opinion, he ruined that team and that team would not have made the playoffs alone. The traded players were very valuable to that team.

[FadeToBolivia]

They came in together.

 

Now let us see them off together.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, the wheel has turned, and it is time ... it is time for them to go.

[CuseCubFan69]

There has to be some really fast guy on an Independent League team that Hendry can pick up to give this team a boost.

[Magnetic Curses]

No way the Trib hires DePo considering his track record.

 

DePo presided over the worse Dodger team in a long time in 2005 & the media hated him. He needs to brush up on his p.r. skills.

 

The 2005 team had some cub luck and had some big injuries (drew & gagne), but I think the trib would look at his 71-91 and say no way. Hendry hasn't been that bad.

 

yep, 1 bad season and he's toast. giving him a few more years to develop a system would be stupid, huh?

[RynoRules]

No way the Trib hires DePo considering his track record.

 

DePo presided over the worse Dodger team in a long time in 2005 & the media hated him. He needs to brush up on his p.r. skills.

 

The 2005 team had some cub luck and had some big injuries (drew & gagne), but I think the trib would look at his 71-91 and say no way. Hendry hasn't been that bad.

 

yep, 1 bad season and he's toast. giving him a few more years to develop a system would be stupid, huh?

 

I know you are being sarcastic here, and I agree one year is too short a time to judge most performances, but the reality is that big market teams have less patience, and (for better or worse) there is an amount of brown-nosing and good behavior that is required to survive in these jobs.