May 19 BA Mock Draft

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I want Hochevar, Lincecum or Morrow to fall but will definitely not complain about Rowell. I want the Cubs to stay away from a pitcher who's rated higher but falls due to injury (i.e. Scherzer)

 

:(

 

He doesn't really fit their needs, he's more of the mold of recent draftees who become closers and rise quickly through the system(Cordero, the guy on the reds whose name escapes me, etc.)

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I want Hochevar, Lincecum or Morrow to fall but will definitely not complain about Rowell. I want the Cubs to stay away from a pitcher who's rated higher but falls due to injury (i.e. Scherzer)

 

:(

 

He doesn't really fit their needs, he's more of the mold of recent draftees who become closers and rise quickly through the system(Cordero, the guy on the reds whose name escapes me, etc.)

 

Wagner.

 

Technically, Lincecum is closer material given his resilient arm.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Drew Stubbs is the antithesis to what I'm looking for the Cubs to go after in a position player. He's all tools and all too often has little clue at the plate.

 

In other words, a raw college player!

 

...as opposed to a raw high schooler. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

 

Yeah, because RAW high schools players the Cubs have taken recently, have definately been productivet..... :roll:

 

Have about the Cubs try a different apprach.

[Guest]

Drew Stubbs is the antithesis to what I'm looking for the Cubs to go after in a position player. He's all tools and all too often has little clue at the plate.

 

In other words, a raw college player!

 

...as opposed to a raw high schooler. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

 

Yeah, because RAW high schools players the Cubs have taken recently, have definately been productivet..... :roll:

 

Have about the Cubs try a different apprach.

What O_O and I are implying is that it doesn't matter if it is a raw HS or a raw college player. We'd prefer to take a polished hitter however old he is.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Drew Stubbs is the antithesis to what I'm looking for the Cubs to go after in a position player. He's all tools and all too often has little clue at the plate.

 

In other words, a raw college player!

 

...as opposed to a raw high schooler. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

 

Yeah, because RAW high schools players the Cubs have taken recently, have definately been productivet..... :roll:

 

Have about the Cubs try a different apprach.

What O_O and I are implying is that it doesn't matter if it is a raw HS or a raw college player. We'd prefer to take a polished hitter however old he is.

 

Then seeing as there MIGHT not be an IMPACT college/polish hitter available...then the Cubs are.....(fill in your adjective)

[CuseCubFan69]

Drew Stubbs is the antithesis to what I'm looking for the Cubs to go after in a position player. He's all tools and all too often has little clue at the plate.

 

In other words, a raw college player!

 

...as opposed to a raw high schooler. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

 

Yeah, because RAW high schools players the Cubs have taken recently, have definately been productivet..... :roll:

 

Have about the Cubs try a different apprach.

What O_O and I are implying is that it doesn't matter if it is a raw HS or a raw college player. We'd prefer to take a polished hitter however old he is.

 

You can prefer all you want my friend but the tools will take a toolsy player.

[texascub]

Drew Stubbs is the antithesis to what I'm looking for the Cubs to go after in a position player. He's all tools and all too often has little clue at the plate.

 

In other words, a raw college player!

 

...as opposed to a raw high schooler. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

 

Yeah, because RAW high schools players the Cubs have taken recently, have definately been productivet..... :roll:

 

Have about the Cubs try a different apprach.

What O_O and I are implying is that it doesn't matter if it is a raw HS or a raw college player. We'd prefer to take a polished hitter however old he is.

 

You can prefer all you want my friend but the tools will take a toolsy player.

 

Instead of coaches, we should start hiring mechanics to use all the tools we've got. Instead of a freakin' basketball team we should start a repair shop.

[Outshined_One]

What O_O and I are implying is that it doesn't matter if it is a raw HS or a raw college player. We'd prefer to take a polished hitter however old he is.

 

Then seeing as there MIGHT not be an IMPACT college/polish hitter available...then the Cubs are.....(fill in your adjective)

 

Like every year, this draft is chock full of guys who could turn out to be impact bats or who could fall flat on their faces and be worthless. The Cubs have shown in the past that they have trouble developing guys who are offensively raw and prone to K/BB issues.

 

Now, you could make the case that this not a result of the coaching, but of the players themselves. I think there is a lot of strength in that argument. They do have a tendency to get enamored with a guy's tools and potential instead of the current product. Ryan Harvey, Brian Dopirak, Corey Patterson, and a number of others were guys who oozed tremendous tools (especially power in the first two cases), but needed work on patience and pitch recognition. By their nature, Dopirak and Harvey were destined to become High K guys because of the fact that they were power hitters.

 

However, that should not excuse the Cubs' coaching and development in developing these guys. I don't need to rehash what's happened to those guys since we all know about it. This organization does not put as much value on plate discipline as they do in other areas.

 

A guy with a more polished bat and good pitch recognition would at least signal a change. Maybe they don't have the same ceilings as the guys mentioned above, but there's a better likelihood that they'll be able to become good major leaguers. Why should the Cubs keep making the same mistakes and expecting different results, ya know? Some teams can effectively develop those guys...I don't think the Cubs can.

 

This year, because the position prospect pool is not all that good, there aren't as many of the toolsy all or nothing guys. Stubbs, Marrero, Conger, and LaPorta are on that list...yet each has struggled in various ways this year. Guys like Parmelee, Snider, Rowell, Antonelli, and Longoria at least seem to have a clue at the plate.

 

We'll see what happens soon enough...

[NorthsideAvenger]

Drew Stubbs is the antithesis to what I'm looking for the Cubs to go after in a position player. He's all tools and all too often has little clue at the plate.

 

In other words, a raw college player!

 

...as opposed to a raw high schooler. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

 

Yeah, because RAW high schools players the Cubs have taken recently, have definately been productivet..... :roll:

 

Have about the Cubs try a different apprach.

What O_O and I are implying is that it doesn't matter if it is a raw HS or a raw college player. We'd prefer to take a polished hitter however old he is.

 

You can prefer all you want my friend but the tools will take a toolsy player.

 

Instead of coaches, we should start hiring mechanics to use all the tools we've got. Instead of a freakin' basketball team we should start a repair shop.

 

And MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, the Cubs should forfeit every pick they have, until they get coaches who can actually coach? See, I can over-the-top too.

 

Look, I prefer production over tools. But hey....if you like tools....I got a hammer to sell ya?

[Guest]

Wow, you're either being purposefully obtuse or you just aren't getting what anyone in this thread is saying.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Wow, you're either being purposefully obtuse or you just aren't getting what anyone in this thread is saying.

 

Or I'm constantly drunk.....

 

Fact: I have no used whatsoever in being a "stat nerd" don't care for the "Statistical analysis of players." That doesn't mean I don't value tools, stats, whatnot, I just want BASEBALL players who can contribute now, tomorrow, and for the next 10-12 yrs. I don't nec want athletes, the Cubs need baseball players. And that is the BOTTOMLINE, isn't it? Stop with the projection, the "potential", the Cubs should draft for floors, instead of ceilings, cause they've reached for ceilings, and it has NOT done a darn thing for them.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Wow, you're either being purposefully obtuse or you just aren't getting what anyone in this thread is saying.

 

Or I'm constantly drunk.....

 

Fact: I have no used whatsoever in being a "stat nerd" don't care for the "Statistical analysis of players." That doesn't mean I don't value tools, stats, whatnot, I just want BASEBALL players who can contribute now, tomorrow, and for the next 10-12 yrs. I don't nec want athletes, the Cubs need baseball players. And that is the BOTTOMLINE, isn't it? Stop with the projection, the "potential", the Cubs should draft for floors, instead of ceilings, cause they've reached for ceilings, and it has NOT done a darn thing for them.

 

It's not an either/or situation like you're making it out to be.

[Mephistopheles]

drafting for floors would be like drafting potential setup men all draft...that surely wont win anything.