Fall down 8 times. Stand up 9

[goonys evil twin]

I cannot explain anything that has happened already this year, but this team does have talent. Let's remember they are major league ball players playing for the only baseball team I watch. They can play this game and I believe they will play much better. Beginning tomorrow night.

 

"Much anger in this one" Yoda

 

It's great and all that you still believe. But suggesting that other fans who don't share your opinion are pathetic is, well, pathetic.

[USSoccer]

I'm waiting to see what the team does once Aramis comes off the DL. That's where he's been, right?

Seriously, though what is up with the guy? What a letdown.

 

As one of his biggest fans, I'm baffled by his start as well. He' not getting many good pitches, and isn't doing anything with the ones he's getting.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm waiting to see what the team does once Aramis comes off the DL. That's where he's been, right?

Seriously, though what is up with the guy? What a letdown.

 

As one of his biggest fans, I'm baffled by his start as well. He' not getting many good pitches, and isn't doing anything with the ones he's getting.

 

His swing at most everything approach is easily exploitable unless you make adjustments.

[Scott G. F.]

I cannot explain anything that has happened already this year, but this team does have talent. Let's remember they are major league ball players playing for the only baseball team I watch. They can play this game and I believe they will play much better. Beginning tomorrow night.

 

"Much anger in this one" Yoda

 

It's great and all that you still believe. But suggesting that other fans who don't share your opinion are pathetic is, well, pathetic.

 

 

Gooney go and visit other Cubs blogs and then come back and we can discuss this. Yes, Cubs fans right now are upset

but reality is:

1. Dusty will be here for the next 2 years. (extention probably)

2. Hendry will not make any significant trades to turn this team around.

3. People will still sell out Wrigley just to boo our team.

4. The tribune will never sell this club. (see 3)

 

So maybe, maybe you might wanna believe in something that isn't in the stat book. Believe that this team might, might have a chance if they begin fighting tomorrow night.

Were the White Sox the most talented team last year? No

 

Let miracles happen. Don't expect them.

[goonys evil twin]

I cannot explain anything that has happened already this year, but this team does have talent. Let's remember they are major league ball players playing for the only baseball team I watch. They can play this game and I believe they will play much better. Beginning tomorrow night.

 

"Much anger in this one" Yoda

 

It's great and all that you still believe. But suggesting that other fans who don't share your opinion are pathetic is, well, pathetic.

 

 

Gooney go and visit other Cubs blogs and then come back and we can discuss this. Yes, Cubs fans right now are upset

but reality is:

1. Dusty will be here for the next 2 years. (extention probably)

2. Hendry will not make any significant trades to turn this team around.

3. People will still sell out Wrigley just to boo our team.

4. The tribune will never sell this club. (see 3)

 

So maybe, maybe you might wanna believe in something that isn't in the stat book. Believe that this team might, might have a chance if they begin fighting tomorrow night.

Were the White Sox the most talented team last year? No

 

Let miracles happen. Don't expect them.

 

How does this justify your absurd claim that the team might be struggling because the fans are pathetic?

 

What is the point of that list? First off, it's not reality, just your opinion. Second, why are you telling me to believe in something other than a stat book.

 

You worry about yourself. Don't ever tell me how to be a fan.

[nick23]

I said before the season I wanted a quick fall from contention and I want it more than ever now. The sooner the house-cleaning and fire sale commence the better the team will be for 2007.

Speaking of rediculious. Before the season you wanted a quick fall from contention? Wow.

[Scott G. F.]

I cannot explain anything that has happened already this year, but this team does have talent. Let's remember they are major league ball players playing for the only baseball team I watch. They can play this game and I believe they will play much better. Beginning tomorrow night.

 

"Much anger in this one" Yoda

 

It's great and all that you still believe. But suggesting that other fans who don't share your opinion are pathetic is, well, pathetic.

 

 

Gooney go and visit other Cubs blogs and then come back and we can discuss this. Yes, Cubs fans right now are upset

but reality is:

1. Dusty will be here for the next 2 years. (extention probably)

2. Hendry will not make any significant trades to turn this team around.

3. People will still sell out Wrigley just to boo our team.

4. The tribune will never sell this club. (see 3)

 

So maybe, maybe you might wanna believe in something that isn't in the stat book. Believe that this team might, might have a chance if they begin fighting tomorrow night.

Were the White Sox the most talented team last year? No

 

Let miracles happen. Don't expect them.

 

How does this justify your absurd claim that the team might be struggling because the fans are pathetic?

 

What is the point of that list? First off, it's not reality, just your opinion. Second, why are you telling me to believe in something other than a stat book.

 

You worry about yourself. Don't ever tell me how to be a fan.

 

It is my opinion. Yes it is.

 

Be any type of fan you want to be Gooney.

 

The fans beign pathetic is also my opinion. My theroy is just as vaild as the crap spewd my most everyone here. So I apologise if you don't want to here anything remotely possitive right now about the cubs. Sit in your misery.

 

I have chosen not to join you. I will be looking at the up coming games and rooting for the Cubs. I will not be discussing the last 2 weeks.

 

I suggest the Cubs as a team do the same.

[soapy]

Scott, I commend you on your faith. However, I don't share in it. Let's hope that you're right and I'm wrong.

 

Having said that, I have to take issue with some of the things you've stated.

 

but reality is:

1. Dusty will be here for the next 2 years. (extention probably)

2. Hendry will not make any significant trades to turn this team around.

3. People will still sell out Wrigley just to boo our team.

4. The tribune will never sell this club. (see 3)

 

1. Why should we just accept that Dusty will be here for two more years? He hasn't been extended yet, might not be, and OBVIOUSLY should not be. One can still root for the team and dislike the manager.

 

2. Again, I'm not sure how you know Hendry won't make a significan trade, but I'm not going to accept that either. Hendry needs to make some kind of move beit either acquiring some much needed offense, or trading away some players to start building for next year. The next month will let them know which is the more appropriate route to take.

 

3. I don't think people go to Wrigley just to boo. But really, what does that have to do with anything? The Cubs suck right now. Fans booing or not booing really doesn't have an effect on that IMO.

 

4. I don't see where this is an issue. The trib is not the problem. Management has the resources to build a contender and hasn't done so (again).

 

In addition, complaining about obvious shortcomings on the team right now should not cause one to question his/her loyalty to the team. In fact, I would say that the opposite is true. Instead of just giving up on the team and finding other ways to fill one's summer, many people come hear to discuss, vent, etc. about this team and how they think it should be changed. That says a lot to me about how much a person cares about said team. Even if they do turn it around and are contenders come September, it shouldn't cause one to feel sorry for questioning the team's talent, philosophy, whatever early in the season if they were valid concerns at the time.

[USSoccer]

I'm waiting to see what the team does once Aramis comes off the DL. That's where he's been, right?

Seriously, though what is up with the guy? What a letdown.

 

As one of his biggest fans, I'm baffled by his start as well. He' not getting many good pitches, and isn't doing anything with the ones he's getting.

 

His swing at most everything approach is easily exploitable unless you make adjustments.

 

Which is odd since it didn't hurt him in 2004 and 2005.

[larhur]

Scott my friend, you really beat me to post like this, I was going to say something like this, I believe Pierre will figure out his ground ball outs to second base and just get over the infield, steal second and we are off.

Ceden will stop swinging at balls out of the strike zone and bunt Pierre to third and Walker will drive him home. the rest of the team will follow suit except for Jones who is useless. GO CUBS

[Scott G. F.]

Scott my friend, you really beat me to post like this, I was going to say something like this, I believe Pierre will figure out his ground ball outs to second base and just get over the infield, steal second and we are off.

Ceden will stop swinging at balls out of the strike zone and bunt Pierre to third and Walker will drive him home. the rest of the team will follow suit except for Jones who is useless. GO CUBS

 

 

Yeah well, people seem to want to be negative about the entire season right now. It's only May 15th.

 

Things are not that bad that they can't turn it around.

Blind faith

Blue cool aid

Whatever you wanna call it. Just call it being a Cubs fan.

[Banedon]

Yeah well, people seem to want to be negative about the entire season right now. It's only May 15th.

 

Those crazy people...negative after losing 14 of 16 games....

[Scott G. F.]

 

but reality is:

1. Dusty will be here for the next 2 years. (extention probably)

2. Hendry will not make any significant trades to turn this team around.

3. People will still sell out Wrigley just to boo our team.

4. The tribune will never sell this club. (see 3)

 

1. Why should we just accept that Dusty will be here for two more years? He hasn't been extended yet, might not be, and OBVIOUSLY should not be. One can still root for the team and dislike the manager.

 

2. Again, I'm not sure how you know Hendry won't make a significan trade, but I'm not going to accept that either. Hendry needs to make some kind of move beit either acquiring some much needed offense, or trading away some players to start building for next year. The next month will let them know which is the more appropriate route to take.

 

3. I don't think people go to Wrigley just to boo. But really, what does that have to do with anything? The Cubs suck right now. Fans booing or not booing really doesn't have an effect on that IMO.

 

4. I don't see where this is an issue. The trib is not the problem. Management has the resources to build a contender and hasn't done so (again).

 

 

Soapy,

 

1 It's almost a done deal they'll call a press conference after a couple of wins. (probably before the White Sox series)

2. Hendry would have made the deal by now. there is nothing to get. Check out the transactions thread, they would have thought of it by now.

3. Fans do go to boo. I will never like it. Frankly it's pathetic to me.

4. If you don't see the Trib as the problem then I don't know what to say. You can have all the resources in the world but mismanaged it's just waste.

[Scott G. F.]

Yeah well, people seem to want to be negative about the entire season right now. It's only May 15th.

 

Those crazy people...negative after losing 14 of 16 games....

 

 

Outrageous I know.

 

We should start over...oop oh we can't.

 

I guess forefit the rest of the season because (fill in excuse).

[Mark_R]

I'm a pathetic fan because if the Cubs suck like I'm expecting on Thursday, I'm gonna boo.

 

Scott, I"m curious, how many games do you go to a year?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Yeah well, people seem to want to be negative about the entire season right now. It's only May 15th.

 

Those crazy people...negative after losing 14 of 16 games....

 

 

Outrageous I know.

 

We should start over...oop oh we can't.

 

I guess forefit the rest of the season because we suck beyond belief.

 

There, I filled in the excuse.

[Scott G. F.]

I'm a pathetic fan because if the Cubs suck like I'm expecting on Thursday, I'm gonna boo.

 

Scott, I"m curious, how many games do you go to a year?

 

At least 5 -6.

 

 

Your point being? Since people might attend more that I have a small sample of experiance to pull from right?

 

I see people acting embarassingly. IMO. To me it shows that they don't understand the game at all. All they know is stats and stat books filled with numbers on how this player should have this avarage or should be this good for my team.

[Scott G. F.]

Yeah well, people seem to want to be negative about the entire season right now. It's only May 15th.

 

Those crazy people...negative after losing 14 of 16 games....

 

 

Outrageous I know.

 

We should start over...oop oh we can't.

 

I guess forefit the rest of the season because we suck beyond belief.

 

There, I filled in the excuse.

 

That might have been true the last 2 weeks but tomorrows a new day.

[Caryatid]

Yeah well, people seem to want to be negative about the entire season right now. It's only May 15th.

 

Those crazy people...negative after losing 14 of 16 games....

 

 

Outrageous I know.

 

We should start over...oop oh we can't.

 

I guess forefit the rest of the season because (fill in excuse).

 

Here's the problem with too much optimism: instead of having an honest opinion of the level of talent on the team/in the management, that unbridled optimism makes you think this team is going to turn this around. Then, if they don't, its all too easy to blame intangible things (luck, injuries, etc.), and not look at the root of the problems on the team. Thus, you damn yourself into this perpetual state of denial where every year "things just didn't go our way," and thus no real philosophical change has to be made.

 

Criticizing the team just to criticize is stupid. But I don't think most of the people here criticize for that reason. I think they want to see real institutional change because unless that happens, we're all screwed for a very long time.

[Mark_R]

I'm a pathetic fan because if the Cubs suck like I'm expecting on Thursday, I'm gonna boo.

 

Scott, I"m curious, how many games do you go to a year?

 

At least 5 -6.

 

 

Your point being? Since people might attend more that I have a small sample of experiance to pull from right?

 

I see people acting embarassingly. IMO. To me it shows that they don't understand the game at all. All they know is stats and stat books filled with numbers on how this player should have this avarage or should be this good for my team.

 

That's more than I'll go to this year because I don't feel like wasting my money anymore on a crap product on the field. I normally go to double digit games, but as tickets get more expensive and the team on the field sucks more, its difficult to justify to myself spending that much money with the great chance I'll be disappointed. The Cubs fans who go to Wrigley are no longer "blind leading the blind" when it comes voicing their displeasure of the on field product. Call it embarassing if you'd like, I call it long overdue.

[Caryatid]

There doesn't need to be a big strategic effort to not go to games because it will have some sort of great economic affect on the team. Its much simpler than that: People go to baseball games to have fun. When the team loses 9-0 and shows no life whatsoever, that's not fun. Therefore, I'm not going to waste my entertainment time on something that's not fun. Simple as that.

[Captain Barnicle]

The fans beign pathetic...

 

Scott. You are [expletive] crazy. This isn't some gentelmenly supper, where we wear white gloves and tophats. This is a public arena sports game. It is meant for entertainment. You think a ballplayer sucks? Let him have it! No skin off of his nose. He is there for our entertainment (as bad as that sounds it is true).

 

Can I give a record a negative review in a music publication? Sure! It's socially acceptable! At a ballgame can I boo? Sure! It's socially acceptable. (Perhaps it's not to you, but then again you probably get your underwear dry cleaned eat caviar for brunch).

 

But all that being said, Scott, I still love you deeply with the passion of a thousand suns and wish blessing upon you and the fruit of your loins.

[CubfaninCA]

the padres are redhot, so maybe the cubs are better than what they've been showing. since they have z, marshall and wood going in the washington series, i have hope. if washington beats up on the cubs, forget it.

[UMFan83]

What still gives me hope as a Cubs fan is that except for D-Lee's absence, this is still the team that went 12-8 to begin the season. While that record won't win you any titles, it shows that this team is capbable of being much better than they have been playing. The addition of Woody this week and Prior/Miller in early June should boost us in the standings as well. I'm sure Astros fans weren't thinking playoffs early last year when they were in a deep hole either, but look how it turned out.

 

It just doesn't work like that for the Cubs, I'm afraid.

[Southpaw191679666239]

the padres are redhot, so maybe the cubs are better than what they've been showing. since they have z, marshall and wood going in the washington series, i have hope. if washington beats up on the cubs, forget it.

 

(a) No they're not better - that's the point.

(b) Explain the losses to the Pirates, Diamondbacks, and Giants in the same time-frame.