Re: Once again, Bobby Cox tossed from game.

[CubinNY]

Did anyone see that Atlanta Braves manager/complainer Bobby Cox was tossed out of the Braves/Mets game arguing a home plate call?

 

I wasn't totally suprised to see what it was already his third ejection this season. There was also no shock factor when I found out the home plate umpire was the much beloved Angel Hernendez.

 

What a bunch of clowns.

 

Cox was actually thrown out by the 2nd base umpire. Lo Duca was thrown out by Angel. And he made a terrible call.

 

But it was on the same play. It was a very weird play.

[mjohnson71]

Did anyone see that Atlanta Braves manager/complainer Bobby Cox was tossed out of the Braves/Mets game arguing a home plate call?

 

I wasn't totally suprised to see what it was already his third ejection this season. There was also no shock factor when I found out the home plate umpire was the much beloved Angel Hernendez.

 

What a bunch of clowns.

 

Cox was actually thrown out by the 2nd base umpire. Lo Duca was thrown out by Angel. And he made a terrible call.

 

But it was on the same play. It was a very weird play.

 

I knew it was on the same play, but didn't know Angel wasn't the one who tossed Bobby.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Did anyone see that Atlanta Braves manager/complainer Bobby Cox was tossed out of the Braves/Mets game arguing a home plate call?

 

I wasn't totally suprised to see what it was already his third ejection this season. There was also no shock factor when I found out the home plate umpire was the much beloved Angel Hernendez.

 

What a bunch of clowns.

 

Cox was actually thrown out by the 2nd base umpire. Lo Duca was thrown out by Angel. And he made a terrible call.

 

But it was on the same play. It was a very weird play.

 

How bad is a call when somebody is ejected from both sides?

[mjohnson71]

Did anyone see that Atlanta Braves manager/complainer Bobby Cox was tossed out of the Braves/Mets game arguing a home plate call?

 

I wasn't totally suprised to see what it was already his third ejection this season. There was also no shock factor when I found out the home plate umpire was the much beloved Angel Hernendez.

 

What a bunch of clowns.

[DesMoinesCub]

I think Cox actually had a point this time. Hernandez did blow the original call, and that is what got LoDuca thrown out. While LoDuca was yelling at Hernandez, he spiked the ball down on the ground. When this happened, Smoltz (I think it was Smoltz) took off towards second. So now Atlanta had runners on first and second. The second base umpire made Smoltz go back to 1st despite LoDuca never calling time. I heard the explanation was that at the time of the ejection, it becomes a dead ball. However, I saw the game, and I thought Smoltz was on the base when the ejection occured.

 

I think Cox is a baby too, but I would love to have him in Chicago. JMO.

[Shilzzz]

i actually had a dream last night that baker was fired and the cubs were able to get bobby cox from the braves.

[oldstyle81]

well cox has been to the world series more times in the past 10 years than the cubs have been in the last 60

[sunnydoo]

He wasnt arguing a home plate call per se and the funny thing was that both a Met player and Cox got launched on the same play. They had dueling arguments going on.

 

What happened was Smoltzy dropped a suicide squeeze (if you are not a fan of small ball, i cant explain to you what a suicide squeeze is- just try to follow along). LoDuca tagged the guy coming in from 3b. The Home Plate ump blew the call and called him safe at the plate. LoDuca spiked the ball, said the magic word, and got heaved in one broad stroke.

 

The runner on 2nd advanced to 3rd during the spiking. Smoltz tried to advance to 2nd during the argument. Randolph finally got to the plate and pulled LoDuca off of the ump. The 2nd base ump told Smoltz to go back to first because according to the rule book, when LoDuca spiked the ball and got tossed for it, it became a dead ball and no other advancement was possible. This infuriated Cox and he started screaming at the Crew Chief, who by this time was in no mood for futher antics. He then tossed Cox.

 

Altogether terrific comedy.

[Garwilly]

He wasnt arguing a home plate call per se and the funny thing was that both a Met player and Cox got launched on the same play. They had dueling arguments going on.

 

What happened was Smoltzy dropped a suicide squeeze (if you are not a fan of small ball, i cant explain to you what a suicide squeeze is- just try to follow along). LoDuca tagged the guy coming in from 3b. The Home Plate ump blew the call and called him safe at the plate. LoDuca spiked the ball, said the magic word, and got heaved in one broad stroke.

 

The runner on 2nd advanced to 3rd during the spiking. Smoltz tried to advance to 2nd during the argument. Randolph finally got to the plate and pulled LoDuca off of the ump. The 2nd base ump told Smoltz to go back to first because according to the rule book, when LoDuca spiked the ball and got tossed for it, it became a dead ball and no other advancement was possible. This infuriated Cox and he started screaming at the Crew Chief, who by this time was in no mood for futher antics. He then tossed Cox.

 

Altogether terrific comedy.

 

Well I think I agree with Cox. While Smoltz, by the rules should have to go back to first 9dead ball), I think the home plate ump should not have tossed LoDuca until the play was over on its own.

[goonys evil twin]

What happened was Smoltzy dropped a suicide squeeze (if you are not a fan of small ball, i cant explain to you what a suicide squeeze is- just try to follow along).

 

What was the point of this? Do you honestly think that people who scoff at the notion that small ball helps don't know what a suicide squeeze is? Were you trying to pick a fight with non-small ball types, or were you just going for the straight up insult without plans for replies?

[sunnydoo]

What was the point of this? Do you honestly think that people who scoff at the notion that small ball helps don't know what a suicide squeeze is? Were you trying to pick a fight with non-small ball types, or were you just going for the straight up insult without plans for replies?

 

Busted. :oops:

 

I really dislike all the posters on this board screaming about all the sacrifices we attempt. A lot of teams are really successful with the strategy (including the Braves).

 

Unfortunately what most posters dont understand is that it is the execution lacking for the Cubs, not the strategy. I personally would have shipped Hairston to Triple A over the weekend and told him that he could come back to Chicago when he figured out how to advance a runner from 1st to 2nd or 2nd to 3rd with a bunt.

[goonys evil twin]

Unfortunately what most posters dont understand is that it is the execution lacking for the Cubs, not the strategy.

 

I would suggest not telling people they don't understand the problem. Sac bunts are bad strategy the vast majority of the time.

[sunnydoo]

I would suggest not telling people they don't understand the problem. Sac bunts are bad strategy the vast majority of the time.

 

And i disagree with this point.

 

Going to go SABRE on me?

[BigbadB]

What was the point of this? Do you honestly think that people who scoff at the notion that small ball helps don't know what a suicide squeeze is? Were you trying to pick a fight with non-small ball types, or were you just going for the straight up insult without plans for replies?

 

Busted. :oops:

 

I really dislike all the posters on this board screaming about all the sacrifices we attempt. A lot of teams are really successful with the strategy (including the Braves).

 

Unfortunately what most posters dont understand is that it is the execution lacking for the Cubs, not the strategy. I personally would have shipped Hairston to Triple A over the weekend and told him that he could come back to Chicago when he figured out how to advance a runner from 1st to 2nd or 2nd to 3rd with a bunt.

 

I've watched Marcus Giles enough to know that he has more success taking the ball the other way to advance the runner than he does dropping down a bunt, which is almost a guaranteed out. At least when Giles takes the ball the other way, he has a shot at getting a hit WHILE still advancing the runner.

 

Small ball has its advantages. Small ball has its appropriate times.

 

If a team has a .270 AVG and a .330 OBP, each out you make takes away one more precious chance that they could have gotten a hit or a walk. While small ball "might" produce a single run, giving up those outs for free reduces the chances of a big inning.

[goonys evil twin]

I would suggest not telling people they don't understand the problem. Sac bunts are bad strategy the vast majority of the time.

 

And i disagree with this point.

 

Going to go SABRE on me?

 

I'm not going to go anything on you. I just think you should layoff the insults.

[sweetpeteman]

Holy wrong thread, Batman!