Bonds on perjury?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Bonds' ego can't allow him to just walk away. I give McGwire credit for that.

 

McGwire was done. Barry is still productive.

 

McGwire has been offered coaching jobs, but has declined, because he doesn't want to deal with the hounds. So yeah....... he COULD be in baseball, if he chose to be. He chooses not to (thus, Bonds' ego keeps him in the game, while McGwire's doesn't).

 

Were you put on this planet to argue everything? You don't know squat about McGwire more than any of the rest of us do. How can you say with such conviction that McGwire's ego, or lack thereof, is the reason he's not in the game right now? How do you know that there possibly weren't any coaching jobs available that he deemed worthy of his presence? You don't. McGwire walked away from playing the game because he couldn't compete at this level anymore, Barry still can. Nobody said anything about coaching.

[K-Town]

Bonds' ego can't allow him to just walk away. I give McGwire credit for that.

 

McGwire was done. Barry is still productive.

 

McGwire has been offered coaching jobs, but has declined, because he doesn't want to deal with the hounds. So yeah....... he COULD be in baseball, if he chose to be. He chooses not to (thus, Bonds' ego keeps him in the game, while McGwire's doesn't).

 

Were you put on this planet to argue everything? You don't know squat about McGwire more than any of the rest of us do. How can you say with such conviction that McGwire's ego, or lack thereof, is the reason he's not in the game right now? How do you know that there possibly weren't any coaching jobs available that he deemed worthy of his presence? You don't. McGwire walked away from playing the game because he couldn't compete at this level anymore, Barry still can. Nobody said anything about coaching.

 

Argue "everything"? I'm participating in what.......... two threads....... maybe? What the heck are you talking about. You're being every bit as contrary about this as I am. It just SEEMS like I'm arguing, because I actually have a point, while you probably don't.

 

Look at the context of the conversation. The point being made was that McGwire was avoiding putting himself in the public eye, while Bonds isn't. Whether as a player or a coach, that's the case. Furthermore, I wasn't the one who originally made the "ego" argument, so you're confronting the wrong guy.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hey...someone mentioned McGwire and steroids and his "son" K-Town came to his defense. I have to say, I'm shocked!

[K-Town]

Hey...someone mentioned McGwire and steroids and his "son" K-Town came to his defense. I have to say, I'm shocked!

 

Just can't resist, can you?

 

Very original.

 

 

It's about as shocking as seeing McGwire attacks on a Cub board, wouldn't you say?

[NewUserName]

funny the "who is worst arguement" bundy or gacy hitler or stalin bonds or mcgwire. for some reason these arguements just seem silly.

 

the real problem is fans are not pointing fingers at players on their favorite teams. we're to happy they are helping us win or at least be better so we dont want to point out the ones on our teams, so we point at the ones on other teams. until we start getting on our own players this is going to be a problem. Another solution would be to instead of suspend players for using, forfeit games if a team uses a player that has tested positive. My guess is steroids would be gone in baseball next week if that happned. owners, gms, managers and fans would be quick to clean up their own act in that case

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Argue "everything"? I'm participating in what.......... two threads....... maybe? What the heck are you talking about. You're being every bit as contrary about this as I am. It just SEEMS like I'm arguing, because I actually have a point, while you probably don't.

 

Look at the context of the conversation. The point being made was that McGwire was avoiding putting himself in the public eye, while Bonds isn't. Whether as a player or a coach, that's the case. Furthermore, I wasn't the one who originally made the "ego" argument, so you're confronting the wrong guy.

 

1) I am not discussing the 2 threads you are participating in at this moment. I am referring to the vast majority of threads you participate in. You seem to take a contrarian position more times than not. I don't believe I am the only one who has noticed.

 

2) Your "point" was not related to the post of mine you quoted. Big Fergie J gave McGwire props for walking away. I am not so willing to do so because his extreme drop-off in production was the catalyst. Barry is not walking away, right or wrong, because he believes he can still compete at a high level. Whether you like him or not, you have to admit that he can. Then comes you with your completely tangential coaching statement. If that isolated rant means you have a point and nobody else does, then so be it.

[K-Town]

Argue "everything"? I'm participating in what.......... two threads....... maybe? What the heck are you talking about. You're being every bit as contrary about this as I am. It just SEEMS like I'm arguing, because I actually have a point, while you probably don't.

 

Look at the context of the conversation. The point being made was that McGwire was avoiding putting himself in the public eye, while Bonds isn't. Whether as a player or a coach, that's the case. Furthermore, I wasn't the one who originally made the "ego" argument, so you're confronting the wrong guy.

 

1) I am not discussing the 2 threads you are participating in at this moment. I am referring to the vast majority of threads you participate in. You seem to take a contrarian position more times than not. I don't believe I am the only one who has noticed.

 

2) Your "point" was not related to the post of mine you quoted. Big Fergie J gave McGwire props for walking away. I am not so willing to do so because his extreme drop-off in production was the catalyst. Barry is not walking away, right or wrong, because he believes he can still compete at a high level. Whether you like him or not, you have to admit that he can. Then comes you with your completely tangential coaching statement. If that isolated rant means you have a point and nobody else does, then so be it.

 

1) "Contrary" position? There are typically two sides to every story. I tend to take one of those. So what? It would be a pretty boring board if everybody took the same position on everything, wouldn't it?

 

2) Your comment wasn't related to the context of the discussion. Yes, Bonds is highly productive. And apparently his desire to prove to everyone how productive he is is stronger than his desire to avoid the scrutiny. Thus....... the conclusion that his ego is keeping him in the game.

[Wheelimus]

It's as simple as this.

 

Mark McGwire does not hold, nor is he chasing, any record that anyone gives a crap about.

 

Barry Bonds both holds, and is chasing, records that people give a crap about.

 

And that is the reason for the fan and media attention on his actions.

 

This case, however, has nothing to do with that. The question is did Barry Bonds commit perjury? With what's come out in Game Of Shadows, it's sure looking more and more like he did.

 

Highly doubt this goes to trial though, Barry would likely retire and quietly plea bargain himself out of any real penalty, legal wise that is. I'm sure he'll be banned from baseball after that.

[Andy]

Hey...someone mentioned McGwire and steroids and his "son" K-Town came to his defense. I have to say, I'm shocked!

 

Just can't resist, can you?

 

Very original.

 

 

It's about as shocking as seeing McGwire attacks on a Cub board, wouldn't you say?

Yeah, I'm seeing nothing but open hatred of Mac on this thread. Look at all those people openly accusing McGwire of doing things.

 

Oh, no, wait, no one is.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hey...someone mentioned McGwire and steroids and his "son" K-Town came to his defense. I have to say, I'm shocked!

 

Just can't resist, can you?

 

Very original.

 

 

It's about as shocking as seeing McGwire attacks on a Cub board, wouldn't you say?

 

You're on a Cubs board and complaining about attacks on McGwire? I'm sure no one ever attacks Sosa or Zambrano on a Cardinal forum do they?

[Blizzau]

The recent book by the SanFran Chronicle reporters stated that Bonds starting using the juice '98 for a variety of reasons one of which was jealousy about the attention McGwire got.

 

I don't buy the '98 thing anymore than I buy anything else. Why should any of us believe ANYTHING, at this point?

 

McGwire has been severely scrutinized. During the Andro thing, he was the ONLY one being scrutinized, and it hadn't even been shown that he had done anything wrong. Had he stayed in the game, I'm guessing that he'd be catching ALOT of heat right now. It wasn't worth it to him. Apparently it IS worth it to Bonds, because he chooses to keep himself in the spotlight.

 

It doesn't matter whether YOU believe allegations that Bonds used steroids. The fact is that it has been alleged - by reasonably credible sources apparently with access to Grand Jury testimony - that Bonds began using steroids in 1998.

 

Whether you choose to believe that is a completely different matter. To argue that he didn't allegedly use steroids simply because you do not believe the allegations is illogical.

[srbin84]

Hey...someone mentioned McGwire and steroids and his "son" K-Town came to his defense. I have to say, I'm shocked!

 

Just can't resist, can you?

 

Very original.

 

 

It's about as shocking as seeing McGwire attacks on a Cub board, wouldn't you say?

 

You're on a Cubs board and complaining about attacks on McGwire? I'm sure no one ever attacks Sosa or Zambrano on a Cardinal forum do they?

 

Let's not talk about the past.