Bonds on perjury?

[CubinNY]

Saw a scroll on CNN. A grand jury is considering perjury charges.

 

The volutures are circling. My guess is he is done at the end of this season, if not sooner.

[Bote McBoteface]

yay

[badgercub]

I hope he makes it til the end of the season for selfish reasons. I got him for a song in my fantasy draft/auction. Other than that I could care less, the guy is an egotistical jerk. But I do think he is taking the brunt of things because of his attitude, I don't think he should be standing out there alone. McGwire and for sure Palmeiro, among others should be getting just as much scrutiny.

[soccer10k]

I hope he makes it til the end of the season for selfish reasons. I got him for a song in my fantasy draft/auction. Other than that I could care less, the guy is an egotistical jerk. But I do think he is taking the brunt of things because of his attitude, I don't think he should be standing out there alone. McGwire and for sure Palmeiro, among others should be getting just as much scrutiny.

 

Don't you remember the meeting with Congress on St Patricks Day 2005? McGwire pleaded the fifth the whole day and got completely ripped apart in the media. And when Palmeiro tested positive the media destroyed him also. Both have basically admitted guilt. Bonds keeps steadfastly denying it. He should be out there alone because no other player has as much speculation surrounding him and still denies it.

[K-Town]

I hope he makes it til the end of the season for selfish reasons. I got him for a song in my fantasy draft/auction. Other than that I could care less, the guy is an egotistical jerk. But I do think he is taking the brunt of things because of his attitude, I don't think he should be standing out there alone. McGwire and for sure Palmeiro, among others should be getting just as much scrutiny.

 

McGwire left the game, and was STILL scurinized by a Congressional lynch mob and the general public. Leave the guy alone. He's retired.

[B]

I hope he makes it til the end of the season for selfish reasons. I got him for a song in my fantasy draft/auction. Other than that I could care less, the guy is an egotistical jerk. But I do think he is taking the brunt of things because of his attitude, I don't think he should be standing out there alone. McGwire and for sure Palmeiro, among others should be getting just as much scrutiny.

 

McGwire left the game, and was STILL scurinized by a Congressional lynch mob and the general public. Leave the guy alone. He's retired.

 

So if Bonds retires they should just leave him alone?

[wade]

I hope he makes it til the end of the season for selfish reasons. I got him for a song in my fantasy draft/auction. Other than that I could care less, the guy is an egotistical jerk. But I do think he is taking the brunt of things because of his attitude, I don't think he should be standing out there alone. McGwire and for sure Palmeiro, among others should be getting just as much scrutiny.

 

Don't you remember the meeting with Congress on St Patricks Day 2005? McGwire pleaded the fifth the whole day and got completely ripped apart in the media. And when Palmeiro tested positive the media destroyed him also. Both have basically admitted guilt. Bonds keeps steadfastly denying it. He should be out there alone because no other player has as much speculation surrounding him and still denies it.

 

Gary Sheffield may not be under the microscope as much as Bonds right now, but he should be. If I recall he testified that he took the substances and gave the same excuse as Bonds. If Bonds perjured, then Gary may have and should also be investigated, in my opinion.

[K-Town]

I hope he makes it til the end of the season for selfish reasons. I got him for a song in my fantasy draft/auction. Other than that I could care less, the guy is an egotistical jerk. But I do think he is taking the brunt of things because of his attitude, I don't think he should be standing out there alone. McGwire and for sure Palmeiro, among others should be getting just as much scrutiny.

 

McGwire left the game, and was STILL scurinized by a Congressional lynch mob and the general public. Leave the guy alone. He's retired.

 

So if Bonds retires they should just leave him alone?

 

 

McGwire didn't perjure himself, that I'm aware of. He (McGwire) has, however, been scrutinized plenty.

[JC]

I hope he makes it til the end of the season for selfish reasons. I got him for a song in my fantasy draft/auction. Other than that I could care less, the guy is an egotistical jerk. But I do think he is taking the brunt of things because of his attitude, I don't think he should be standing out there alone. McGwire and for sure Palmeiro, among others should be getting just as much scrutiny.

 

Don't you remember the meeting with Congress on St Patricks Day 2005? McGwire pleaded the fifth the whole day and got completely ripped apart in the media. And when Palmeiro tested positive the media destroyed him also. Both have basically admitted guilt. Bonds keeps steadfastly denying it. He should be out there alone because no other player has as much speculation surrounding him and still denies it.

 

I don't remember McGwire ever pleading the 5th (though I may be mistaken). He kept spewing that pathetic, "I'm not here to talk about the past, I'm here to talk about the present," line. While it may seem like he took the 5th for all practical purposes, he did not do so in the eyes of the law. I recall think that the Congressional members were soft in not forcing him to plead the 5th if that is what he wanted to do. They should have said, "Mr. McGwire, you are here under subpeona. You have three choices: 1) You answer the question truthfully, 2) you lie, or 3) you plead the 5th, at which time we may or may not offer you immunity for your further testimony. However, your answers to date do not comply with the letter or the spirit of these procedings."

 

If you are going to call hearings and get the attention of millions of people, don't be scared to use the tools of the office.

[Yeti]

i'm to the point now that i just dont care anymore as long as i dont have to watch barry crying on TV anymore...barry you made the bed...

[Big Fergie J]

I hope he makes it til the end of the season for selfish reasons. I got him for a song in my fantasy draft/auction. Other than that I could care less, the guy is an egotistical jerk. But I do think he is taking the brunt of things because of his attitude, I don't think he should be standing out there alone. McGwire and for sure Palmeiro, among others should be getting just as much scrutiny.

 

McGwire left the game, and was STILL scurinized by a Congressional lynch mob and the general public. Leave the guy alone. He's retired.

 

So if Bonds retires they should just leave him alone?

 

 

McGwire didn't perjure himself, that I'm aware of. He (McGwire) has, however, been scrutinized plenty.

 

I have to respectfully disagree w/ you on McGwire. IMHO, he was giving a huge free pass by the media until just recently...ie. since the Congressional hearings. I believe McGwire is an even bigger fraud than Bonds.

 

He was a one-dimensional ballplayer. As much as one can hate Bonds he did win 3 MVP's prior to '98 when he allegedly started juicing.

[K-Town]

I don't remember McGwire ever pleading the 5th (though I may be mistaken). He kept spewing that pathetic, "I'm not here to talk about the past, I'm here to talk about the present," line. While it may seem like he took the 5th for all practical purposes, he did not do so in the eyes of the law. I recall think that the Congressional members were soft in not forcing him to plead the 5th if that is what he wanted to do. They should have said, "Mr. McGwire, you are here under subpeona. You have three choices: 1) You answer the question truthfully, 2) you lie, or 3) you plead the 5th, at which time we may or may not offer you immunity for your further testimony. However, your answers to date do not comply with the letter or the spirit of these procedings."

 

If you are going to call hearings and get the attention of millions of people, don't be scared to use the tools of the office.

 

 

 

That's fine. Then they should have done the exact same thing to the other 5,000 players who have played in the last decade.

 

It was a hearing, not a court case. McGwire wasn't being accused of breaking any laws, for crying out loud. It's BASEBALL. Keep it in perspective. I'm no expert, but I'm not sure that Congress could have "forced" him to plead the 5th, under those circumstances. Furthermore, you'll have to explain to me what the "spirit" of the hearings was, and how that was accomplished by what Schilling said....... what Palmeiro said.......... what Sosa said........ what Canseco said........ etc. Congress didn't need McGwire's "spirit" (or anyone else's, for that matter) in order to force MLB to implement a tougher steroid policy. It was a propoganda stunt....... plain & simple. Anyone who sees it for anything other than that was watching it with blinders.

[K-Town]

I hope he makes it til the end of the season for selfish reasons. I got him for a song in my fantasy draft/auction. Other than that I could care less, the guy is an egotistical jerk. But I do think he is taking the brunt of things because of his attitude, I don't think he should be standing out there alone. McGwire and for sure Palmeiro, among others should be getting just as much scrutiny.

 

McGwire left the game, and was STILL scurinized by a Congressional lynch mob and the general public. Leave the guy alone. He's retired.

 

So if Bonds retires they should just leave him alone?

 

 

McGwire didn't perjure himself, that I'm aware of. He (McGwire) has, however, been scrutinized plenty.

 

I have to respectfully disagree w/ you on McGwire. IMHO, he was giving a huge free pass by the media until just recently...ie. since the Congressional hearings. I believe McGwire is an even bigger fraud than Bonds.

 

He was a one-dimensional ballplayer. As much as one can hate Bonds he did win 3 MVP's prior to '98 when he allegedly started juicing.

 

"Allegedly"? What the heck does that mean? Nobody knows when he started using, anymore than they know when (if) McGwire started using. It's all your imagination.

 

As for McGwire not being scrutinized until after the Congressional hearings, I don't recall ANYBODY being scrutinized, do you?

[JC]

I don't remember McGwire ever pleading the 5th (though I may be mistaken). He kept spewing that pathetic, "I'm not here to talk about the past, I'm here to talk about the present," line. While it may seem like he took the 5th for all practical purposes, he did not do so in the eyes of the law. I recall think that the Congressional members were soft in not forcing him to plead the 5th if that is what he wanted to do. They should have said, "Mr. McGwire, you are here under subpeona. You have three choices: 1) You answer the question truthfully, 2) you lie, or 3) you plead the 5th, at which time we may or may not offer you immunity for your further testimony. However, your answers to date do not comply with the letter or the spirit of these procedings."

 

If you are going to call hearings and get the attention of millions of people, don't be scared to use the tools of the office.

 

 

 

That's fine. Then they should have done the exact same thing to the other 5,000 players who have played in the last decade.

 

It was a hearing, not a court case. McGwire wasn't being accused of breaking any laws, for crying out loud. It's BASEBALL. Keep it in perspective. I'm no expert, but I'm not sure that Congress could have "forced" him to plead the 5th, under those circumstances. Furthermore, you'll have to explain to me what the "spirit" of the hearings was, and how that was accomplished by what Schilling said....... what Palmeiro said.......... what Sosa said........ what Canseco said........ etc. Congress didn't need McGwire's "spirit" (or anyone else's, for that matter) in order to force MLB to implement a tougher steroid policy. It was a propoganda stunt....... plain & simple. Anyone who sees it for anything other than that was watching it with blinders.

 

Keep it in perspective? The hearings were about freaking steroids. Therefore, allowing a panel member under subpoena, to dodge questions is counterproductive.

 

It may have had components of a publicity stunt. However, the hearings were the impetus for the current penalties for performance enhancers. Thus, you cannot simply dismiss the value of those hearings.

 

Whether it was a court case or congressional hearing is not even an issue. If someone defies a congressional subpoena, they are subject to contempt proceedings. Pure and simple.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

"Allegedly"? What the heck does that mean? Nobody knows when he started using, anymore than they know when (if) McGwire started using. It's all your imagination.

 

As for McGwire not being scrutinized until after the Congressional hearings, I don't recall ANYBODY being scrutinized, do you?

 

Hence the use of the word allegedly.

[ThePenguin11]

"Bonds on perjury"

 

Is Perjury some new kind of cream or clear performance enhancer that I haven't heard about yet?

[Big Fergie J]

I hope he makes it til the end of the season for selfish reasons. I got him for a song in my fantasy draft/auction. Other than that I could care less, the guy is an egotistical jerk. But I do think he is taking the brunt of things because of his attitude, I don't think he should be standing out there alone. McGwire and for sure Palmeiro, among others should be getting just as much scrutiny.

 

McGwire left the game, and was STILL scurinized by a Congressional lynch mob and the general public. Leave the guy alone. He's retired.

 

So if Bonds retires they should just leave him alone?

 

 

McGwire didn't perjure himself, that I'm aware of. He (McGwire) has, however, been scrutinized plenty.

 

I have to respectfully disagree w/ you on McGwire. IMHO, he was giving a huge free pass by the media until just recently...ie. since the Congressional hearings. I believe McGwire is an even bigger fraud than Bonds.

 

He was a one-dimensional ballplayer. As much as one can hate Bonds he did win 3 MVP's prior to '98 when he allegedly started juicing.

 

"Allegedly"? What the heck does that mean? Nobody knows when he started using, anymore than they know when (if) McGwire started using. It's all your imagination.

 

As for McGwire not being scrutinized until after the Congressional hearings, I don't recall ANYBODY being scrutinized, do you?

 

Slow down a minute and read your own post. You wrote that McGwire has been "scrutinized plenty".

 

And I'm not imagining anything but "allegedly" is what it is. Bonds has allegedly used steriods.

[K-Town]

Keep it in perspective? The hearings were about freaking steroids. Therefore, allowing a panel member under subpoena, to dodge questions is counterproductive.

 

It may have had components of a publicity stunt. However, the hearings were the impetus for the current penalties for performance enhancers. Thus, you cannot simply dismiss the value of those hearings.

 

Whether it was a court case or congressional hearing is not even an issue. If someone defies a congressional subpoena, they are subject to contempt proceedings. Pure and simple.

 

 

Tell me how ANY agenda was met by the "spirit" displayed by Canseco, Palemeiro, Sosa, or Schilling. Do you HONESTLY think that Congress went into that hearing wondering if a tougher policy was needed, and then after hearing Schilling, Palmeiro, and Sosa deny knowing anything about a steroid problem in baseball, Congress decided that a tougher policy WAS needed?? I'm having a little trouble following your logic about McGwire's "spirit" being anymore detrimental to the hearings than anyone else's. McGwire basically said that he didn't want to talk about it. The others basically denied having any knowledge of any steroid problem that exists. What's the difference? None of them shed any light.

 

McGwire didn't defy a congressional subpoena, that I know of. Do you know specifically what the subpoena required?

[K-Town]

I hope he makes it til the end of the season for selfish reasons. I got him for a song in my fantasy draft/auction. Other than that I could care less, the guy is an egotistical jerk. But I do think he is taking the brunt of things because of his attitude, I don't think he should be standing out there alone. McGwire and for sure Palmeiro, among others should be getting just as much scrutiny.

 

McGwire left the game, and was STILL scurinized by a Congressional lynch mob and the general public. Leave the guy alone. He's retired.

 

So if Bonds retires they should just leave him alone?

 

 

McGwire didn't perjure himself, that I'm aware of. He (McGwire) has, however, been scrutinized plenty.

 

I have to respectfully disagree w/ you on McGwire. IMHO, he was giving a huge free pass by the media until just recently...ie. since the Congressional hearings. I believe McGwire is an even bigger fraud than Bonds.

 

He was a one-dimensional ballplayer. As much as one can hate Bonds he did win 3 MVP's prior to '98 when he allegedly started juicing.

 

"Allegedly"? What the heck does that mean? Nobody knows when he started using, anymore than they know when (if) McGwire started using. It's all your imagination.

 

As for McGwire not being scrutinized until after the Congressional hearings, I don't recall ANYBODY being scrutinized, do you?

 

Slow down a minute and read your own post. You wrote that McGwire has been "scrutinized plenty".

 

And I'm not imagining anything but "allegedly" is what it is. Bonds has allegedly used steriods.

 

I know what I posted. McGwire HAS been scrutinized. Heck....... he was scrutinized for things that didn't even BREAK the rules (Andro). You've completely forgotten that? Then he was scrutinized ruthlessly (and still is) about the Congressional hearings.

 

Who is "Alleging" that Bonds just starting using steroids in '98, and why would you buy into anything that's "alleged" at this point?

[Big Fergie J]

I hope he makes it til the end of the season for selfish reasons. I got him for a song in my fantasy draft/auction. Other than that I could care less, the guy is an egotistical jerk. But I do think he is taking the brunt of things because of his attitude, I don't think he should be standing out there alone. McGwire and for sure Palmeiro, among others should be getting just as much scrutiny.

 

McGwire left the game, and was STILL scurinized by a Congressional lynch mob and the general public. Leave the guy alone. He's retired.

 

So if Bonds retires they should just leave him alone?

 

 

McGwire didn't perjure himself, that I'm aware of. He (McGwire) has, however, been scrutinized plenty.

 

I have to respectfully disagree w/ you on McGwire. IMHO, he was giving a huge free pass by the media until just recently...ie. since the Congressional hearings. I believe McGwire is an even bigger fraud than Bonds.

 

He was a one-dimensional ballplayer. As much as one can hate Bonds he did win 3 MVP's prior to '98 when he allegedly started juicing.

 

"Allegedly"? What the heck does that mean? Nobody knows when he started using, anymore than they know when (if) McGwire started using. It's all your imagination.

 

As for McGwire not being scrutinized until after the Congressional hearings, I don't recall ANYBODY being scrutinized, do you?

 

Slow down a minute and read your own post. You wrote that McGwire has been "scrutinized plenty".

 

And I'm not imagining anything but "allegedly" is what it is. Bonds has allegedly used steriods.

 

I know what I posted. McGwire HAS been scrutinized. Heck....... he was scrutinized for things that didn't even BREAK the rules (Andro). You've completely forgotten that? Then he was scrutinized ruthlessly (and still is) about the Congressional hearings.

 

Who is "Alleging" that Bonds just starting using steroids in '98, and why would you buy into anything that's "alleged" at this point?

 

In no way shape or form am I defending Bonds. The court of public opinion has already come to a verdict on him. So be it. But McGwire never had a witch-hunt going on around him when the "andro" situation arose. He just packed up his little bag and left the game. Unfortunately Bonds hasn't done that.

 

The recent book by the SanFran Chronicle reporters stated that Bonds starting using the juice '98 for a variety of reasons one of which was jealousy about the attention McGwire got.

 

Again, I am not defending Bonds but this is a witch-hunt about ONE man, Bonds. It smacks of McCarthy-ism in the '50's re:communists. There was no such public uproar surrounding McGwire....and he is a fraud....or maybe he is an "alleged" fraud...

[K-Town]

In no way shape or form am I defending Bonds. The court of public opinion has already come to a verdict on him. So be it. But McGwire never had a witch-hunt going on around him when the "andro" situation arose. He just packed up his little bag and left the game. Unfortunately Bonds hasn't done that.

 

The recent book by the SanFran Chronicle reporters stated that Bonds starting using the juice '98 for a variety of reasons one of which was jealousy about the attention McGwire got.

 

Again, I am not defending Bonds but this is a witch-hunt about ONE man, Bonds. It smacks of McCarthy-ism in the '50's re:communists. There was no such public uproar surrounding McGwire....and he is a fraud....or maybe he is an "alleged" fraud...

 

I don't buy the '98 thing anymore than I buy anything else. Why should any of us believe ANYTHING, at this point?

 

McGwire has been severely scrutinized. During the Andro thing, he was the ONLY one being scrutinized, and it hadn't even been shown that he had done anything wrong. Had he stayed in the game, I'm guessing that he'd be catching ALOT of heat right now. It wasn't worth it to him. Apparently it IS worth it to Bonds, because he chooses to keep himself in the spotlight.

[Big Fergie J]

In no way shape or form am I defending Bonds. The court of public opinion has already come to a verdict on him. So be it. But McGwire never had a witch-hunt going on around him when the "andro" situation arose. He just packed up his little bag and left the game. Unfortunately Bonds hasn't done that.

 

The recent book by the SanFran Chronicle reporters stated that Bonds starting using the juice '98 for a variety of reasons one of which was jealousy about the attention McGwire got.

 

Again, I am not defending Bonds but this is a witch-hunt about ONE man, Bonds. It smacks of McCarthy-ism in the '50's re:communists. There was no such public uproar surrounding McGwire....and he is a fraud....or maybe he is an "alleged" fraud...

 

I don't buy the '98 thing anymore than I buy anything else. Why should any of us believe ANYTHING, at this point?

 

McGwire has been severely scrutinized. During the Andro thing, he was the ONLY one being scrutinized, and it hadn't even been shown that he had done anything wrong. Had he stayed in the game, I'm guessing that he'd be catching ALOT of heat right now. It wasn't worth it to him. Apparently it IS worth it to Bonds, because he chooses to keep himself in the spotlight.

 

That is a valid point you make.

 

Bonds' ego can't allow him to just walk away. I give McGwire credit for that.

 

You are right that if McGwire were still playing he would be "catching ALOT of heat". Agreed

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Bonds' ego can't allow him to just walk away. I give McGwire credit for that.

 

McGwire was done. Barry is still productive.

[Banedon]

"Bonds on perjury"

 

Is Perjury some new kind of cream or clear performance enhancer that I haven't heard about yet?

 

I'm guessing it's a play on the title of his ESPN show, "Bonds on Bonds".

[K-Town]

Bonds' ego can't allow him to just walk away. I give McGwire credit for that.

 

McGwire was done. Barry is still productive.

 

McGwire has been offered coaching jobs, but has declined, because he doesn't want to deal with the hounds. So yeah....... he COULD be in baseball, if he chose to be. He chooses not to (thus, Bonds' ego keeps him in the game, while McGwire's doesn't).