Levine: Dusty won't get extension until after season...

[srbin84]

I think he's the best from my list. So who do you prefer: Fregosi, Williams, or Howe?

 

None of the above. Blech.

 

That's the whole point. If wer'e gonna speculate about who the next manager could be, let's talk about the types of guys that actually have a chance at getting interviewed by the Cubs. And after doing so, we can ask ourselves if we still want Dusty gone for one of them.

 

My question is, why are those the types, and how would you know?

 

There are a lot of things that go into it. Look at who was interviewed in the Baker and to a lesser extent, the Baylor hiring process. Look at the guys who were available then and who they were disciples of (i.e. Ned Yost-Bobby Cox), etc.

[srbin84]

I think he's the best from my list. So who do you prefer: Fregosi, Williams, or Howe?

 

None of the above. Blech.

 

That's the whole point. If wer'e gonna speculate about who the next manager could be, let's talk about the types of guys that actually have a chance at getting interviewed by the Cubs. And after doing so, we can ask ourselves if we still want Dusty gone for one of them.

 

Why do you assume those guys over guys like Davey Johnson, Dierker, or Gonzalez?

 

If you mean former managers, then Johnson and Dierker fit the bill.

 

Rumor has it that if Baker hadn't accepted the Cubs job prior to the 03 season that Gonzalez really impressed in interviews.

 

I think the trio of Dierker, Johnson, and Gonzalez are just as likely as Fregsosi, Williams, or Howe. And I'd take any of the former over the later.

 

Well, I don't know much about Gonzalez, but I'd be shocked to see the Cubs get somebody who doesn't have experience.

 

Dierker is a sabremetrician=no chance with Hendry & Co. running things.

 

I'd also say no to Johnson because I can't think of a manager more opposite of Dusty Baker, so I couldn't see us hiring someone like that.

 

Not to say I wouldn't want either of them though, I'm just looking at things objectively and weighing the facts.

[UK1679666180]

Hendry was the one who pushed for Bruce Kimm to become interim manager and that was a legit audition for the job had he done well.

 

Bruce Kimm didn't have any experience, yet he was able to get a fair shot.

 

Just b/c he valued Baker's experience, success, and style doesn't equate to him only selecting a manager who has experience.

 

I'd go for Orel Hershiser and go from there. If some position players don't like having a former pitcher as coach, they need to grow a pair.

[ThePenguin11]

It's too bad Jim Tracy has work this year. I'd be all for extending Dusty one year if it meant we could get Tracy after next year.

[E.J.]

Dusty's comments in the Trib this morning:

 

Baker likely will seek a raise, based on the Cubs' revenue during his first three years. The three highest attendance totals in Cubs history were 2004 (3.17 million), '05 (3.1 million) and '03 (2.96 million).

 

Baker said he hasn't thought about how much he's worth.

 

"My whole thing is that my team plays well and wins and everything takes care of itself," he said. "Money is important to everybody, but you can't have money as your primary focus."

 

Baker also reiterated he has wanted to remain in Chicago despite speculation to the contrary.

 

"I came here to do a job and with a purpose," he said. "And nothing is going to stop and detour us from reaching our goal. That's why I came here."

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Dusty's comments in the Trib this morning:

 

Baker likely will seek a raise, based on the Cubs' revenue during his first three years. The three highest attendance totals in Cubs history were 2004 (3.17 million), '05 (3.1 million) and '03 (2.96 million).

 

Baker said he hasn't thought about how much he's worth.

 

"My whole thing is that my team plays well and wins and everything takes care of itself," he said. "Money is important to everybody, but you can't have money as your primary focus."

 

Baker also reiterated he has wanted to remain in Chicago despite speculation to the contrary.

 

"I came here to do a job and with a purpose," he said. "And nothing is going to stop and detour us from reaching our goal. That's why I came here."

 

Fair enough, win the WS this year, then you won't feel detoured on the way out.

[Guest]

Dusty's comments in the Trib this morning:

 

Baker likely will seek a raise, based on the Cubs' revenue during his first three years. The three highest attendance totals in Cubs history were 2004 (3.17 million), '05 (3.1 million) and '03 (2.96 million).

 

Baker said he hasn't thought about how much he's worth.

 

"My whole thing is that my team plays well and wins and everything takes care of itself," he said. "Money is important to everybody, but you can't have money as your primary focus."

 

Baker also reiterated he has wanted to remain in Chicago despite speculation to the contrary.

 

"I came here to do a job and with a purpose," he said. "And nothing is going to stop and detour us from reaching our goal. That's why I came here."

I wonder if Baker really meant "detour" or if the Trib misquoted the word "deter"...

[RynoRules]

I'd send Rusch to FL if it meant getting Girardi. I love that guy.

[srbin84]

Hendry was the one who pushed for Bruce Kimm to become interim manager and that was a legit audition for the job had he done well.

 

Bruce Kimm didn't have any experience, yet he was able to get a fair shot.

 

Just b/c he valued Baker's experience, success, and style doesn't equate to him only selecting a manager who has experience.

 

I'd go for Orel Hershiser and go from there. If some position players don't like having a former pitcher as coach, they need to grow a pair.

 

I didn't know that. I don't remember it being said that Kimm had a fair shot at the job, and even if he did, I wouldn't have believed it. That 2002 team was very, very bad. If Hendry based his decision to keep him on what he did with that team and not his peronality qualities and philosophy, he is dumber than I thought. All I remember about Kimm was him accidentally taking Sosa out in a close game and admitting it.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'd send Rusch to FL if it meant getting Girardi. I love that guy.

 

Why don't you marry him?

[JC]

 

I didn't know that. I don't remember it being said that Kimm had a fair shot at the job, and even if he did, I wouldn't have believed it. That 2002 team was very, very bad. If Hendry based his decision to keep him on what he did with that team and not his peronality qualities and philosophy, he is dumber than I thought. All I remember about Kimm was him accidentally taking Sosa out in a close game and admitting it.

 

A bad team with an awful interim manager. Along with the Sosa substitution gaff, Kimm also left Prior in for his 139 pitch effort just to get a complete game in something like his 8th ML start. Then there was the tantrum he through in the clubhouse. Kimm was way over his head.

[Guest]

 

I didn't know that. I don't remember it being said that Kimm had a fair shot at the job, and even if he did, I wouldn't have believed it. That 2002 team was very, very bad. If Hendry based his decision to keep him on what he did with that team and not his peronality qualities and philosophy, he is dumber than I thought. All I remember about Kimm was him accidentally taking Sosa out in a close game and admitting it.

 

A bad team with an awful interim manager. Along with the Sosa substitution gaff, Kimm also left Prior in for his 139 pitch effort just to get a complete game in something like his 8th ML start. Then there was the tantrum he through in the clubhouse. Kimm was way over his head.

Yeah. And the whole batting Bellhorn in the leadoff spot...what was up with that idiotic move?!? ;)

[BigbadB]

:cheers:

 

The 2002 team was bad. Very, very bad. But, Bellhorn was a stud in the lead off spot.

 

Kimm>>>Baker for that reason alone.

[BigbadB]

Dusty's comments in the Trib this morning:

 

Baker likely will seek a raise, based on the Cubs' revenue during his first three years. The three highest attendance totals in Cubs history were 2004 (3.17 million), '05 (3.1 million) and '03 (2.96 million).

 

Baker said he hasn't thought about how much he's worth.

 

"My whole thing is that my team plays well and wins and everything takes care of itself," he said. "Money is important to everybody, but you can't have money as your primary focus."

 

Baker also reiterated he has wanted to remain in Chicago despite speculation to the contrary.

 

"I came here to do a job and with a purpose," he said. "And nothing is going to stop and detour us from reaching our goal. That's why I came here."

 

Ugh!

[ltb]

At around $4 million this season, Baker reportedly trails only Yankees manager Joe Torre, whose salary is estimated at around $6 million.

 

boy, we're getting a great deal!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Looking at Baker's quotes, he could negotiate himself right out of a job here. My guess is that Baker is Hendry's first choice to return as manager, but I also don't see Hendry paying Baker much more if any than he is making now. I also believe that Baker would like to return and really thinks he's going to get a deal at around five million per season. When that doesn't come, we'll see Baker and his ego leaving town.

 

I'm hoping that the Cubs turn their attention back to Fredi Gonzalez. If not Gonzalez, then I'd love for Dierker to be given a long look.

[frostwyrm]

Keeping Choi out of the lineup so lazy Fred could hit 30 homers for 5 teams is still my all-time least favorite managerial move.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

How in the world does Dusty deserve a raise. I can see keeping his job from an old school standpoint and looking at the injuries he's had to deal with (he didn't bring Prior and Wood on this team). But a raise?! Back to reality, Dusty. What was your record last season?

[srbin84]

How in the world does Dusty deserve a raise. I can see keeping his job from an old school standpoint and looking at the injuries he's had to deal with (he didn't bring Prior and Wood on this team). But a raise?! Back to reality, Dusty. What was your record last season?

 

Even Bush got re-elected.

[E.J.]

How in the world does Dusty deserve a raise. I can see keeping his job from an old school standpoint and looking at the injuries he's had to deal with (he didn't bring Prior and Wood on this team). But a raise?! Back to reality, Dusty. What was your record last season?

 

Even Bush got re-elected.

 

That's a whole other can of worms.

 

I like that Dusty says he deserves a raise because attendance and revenue were up for the years he's been here. Yep Dusty, all the fans came out to see you big guy. You were the sole cause for the extra revenue.

[srbin84]

How in the world does Dusty deserve a raise. I can see keeping his job from an old school standpoint and looking at the injuries he's had to deal with (he didn't bring Prior and Wood on this team). But a raise?! Back to reality, Dusty. What was your record last season?

 

Even Bush got re-elected.

 

That's a whole other can of worms.

 

I like that Dusty says he deserves a raise because attendance and revenue were up for the years he's been here. Yep Dusty, all the fans came out to see you big guy. You were the sole cause for the extra revenue.

 

Remember all of those "In Dusty we trusty!" signs. I hope no one from here brought one of those to the park. Trusting your ball club to Dusty is like trusting a Ferrari to Stevie Wonder.

 

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[SouthSideRyan]

Look at the guys who were available then and who they were disciples of (i.e. Ned Yost-Bobby Cox), etc.

 

Don Baylor was hitting coach for Cox before getting hired. I can't remember who else was considered for the job around Baylor's hire(other than Gardenhire who I'm iffy on), but the Dusty hiring had no retreads talked about/interviewed IIRC.

[srbin84]

Look at the guys who were available then and who they were disciples of (i.e. Ned Yost-Bobby Cox), etc.

 

Don Baylor was hitting coach for Cox before getting hired. I can't remember who else was considered for the job around Baylor's hire(other than Gardenhire who I'm iffy on), but the Dusty hiring had no retreads talked about/interviewed IIRC.

 

Baylor is a disciple of Earl Weaver....very Cub like philosophy minus the good the players.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Look at the guys who were available then and who they were disciples of (i.e. Ned Yost-Bobby Cox), etc.

 

Don Baylor was hitting coach for Cox before getting hired. I can't remember who else was considered for the job around Baylor's hire(other than Gardenhire who I'm iffy on), but the Dusty hiring had no retreads talked about/interviewed IIRC.

 

Baylor is a disciple of Earl Weaver....very Cub like philosophy minus the good the players.

 

I must confess I never saw Earl Weaver manage and I don't remember much how Baylor was, but from everything I've read about them they seem like complete opposites.

[srbin84]

Look at the guys who were available then and who they were disciples of (i.e. Ned Yost-Bobby Cox), etc.

 

Don Baylor was hitting coach for Cox before getting hired. I can't remember who else was considered for the job around Baylor's hire(other than Gardenhire who I'm iffy on), but the Dusty hiring had no retreads talked about/interviewed IIRC.

 

Baylor is a disciple of Earl Weaver....very Cub like philosophy minus the good the players.

 

I must confess I never saw Earl Weaver manage and I don't remember much how Baylor was, but from everything I've read about them they seem like complete opposites.

 

Sit around and wait for the three-run homer (that rarely came for the Cubs). Pitcher abuse. Sounds like Baylor ball to me.

 

They were opposites however in that Weaver was much more hot tempered.