Wood to the Yankees at the Trading Deadline?

[Danny82]

Petit, Olsen and Sanchez all project as 1s or 2s.

 

Johnson probably a 2-3.

 

Those are probably the top 4.

 

Like I said, they have more pitching talent in their minors than any other position.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Petit, Olsen and Sanchez all project as 1s or 2s.

 

Johnson probably a 2-3.

 

Those are probably the top 4.

 

Like I said, they have more pitching talent in their minors than any other position.

 

I think you're being a little too kind.

 

Olsen projects as a potential number 1.

 

Petit is overrated. His stuff is mediocre at best. Some scouts even question whether he can transition to the big leagues, much less be a front of the rotation starter.

 

Sanchez is a nice prospect, but has a history of arm problems. If healthy, he's better than the likes of Papelbon (came from Boston's system). It's almost like dreaming of Guzman acheiving his #1 status, which he has/had the stuff for. Not likely to happen.

 

That said, their pitching prospects are way better than ours, who are either injury magnets or unproven at higher levels (Pawelek).

[Danny82]

Maybe you are right, but I think you are forgetting about the post to which I was responding that said the Marlins "needed more pitching".

 

While some might say you can never have enough pitching, the Marlins are one of the better pitching farm systems in the majors currently. Hence, I don't think they necessarily "need more pitching" as much as they need more position player talent.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Maybe you are right, but I think you are forgetting about the post to which I was responding that said the Marlins "needed more pitching".

 

While some might say you can never have enough pitching, the Marlins are one of the better pitching farm systems in the majors currently. Hence, I don't think they necessarily "need more pitching" as much as they need more position player talent.

 

True. True. :D

 

I think the Angels are a good match in that respect with Kendrick/Aybar(move from SS to 2B) and Mathis with some other players. Aybar is blocked by Wood anyway, if not Orlando Cabrera.

 

Willingham might be pretty solid offensively, but his D is horrible, so they definitely need a decent game caller behind the dish like you said, with offensive potential.

[srbin84]

Maybe you are right, but I think you are forgetting about the post to which I was responding that said the Marlins "needed more pitching".

 

While some might say you can never have enough pitching, the Marlins are one of the better pitching farm systems in the majors currently. Hence, I don't think they necessarily "need more pitching" as much as they need more position player talent.

 

True. True. :D

 

I think the Angels are a good match in that respect with Kendrick/Aybar(move from SS to 2B) and Mathis with some other players. Aybar is blocked by Wood anyway, if not Orlando Cabrera.

 

Willingham might be pretty solid offensively, but his D is horrible, so they definitely need a decent game caller behind the dish like you said, with offensive potential.

 

I think I was pretty much right on. They need a 2B, C, since Willingham will likely be moved to another position in time and the Marlins, like the other 29 teams, need top pitching prospects. I think you will see that the current Marlins pitching prospects who are in the rotation are not what some seem to think they are.

[Outshined_One]

How many of them project to be front of the rotation starters? Quantity isn't quality, although the Marlins have shown the ability to identify and develop good pitching throughout the years.

 

If the Marlins don't move to a market more capably of supporting a higher payroll (i.e. keeping Willis and Cabrera), Willis is out the door and the Marlins are left with a bunch of back of the rotation guys in their rotation. Not good.

 

I'm going to take issue with this statement, although I do believe there is some credence to it. It comes down to a matter of preference.

 

In essence, it boils down to this: Would you rather have a large pool of pitchers who are all fairly talented, but are likely to end up as middle of the rotation guys, or would you have a significantly smaller number of elite pitching prospects who could end up as front of the rotation guys?

 

In the best of all worlds, your farm system would be a combination of the two...but that rarely happens. The Marlins' system appears to be more on the side of things with a large pool of potential middle/back end of the rotation guys (although I like Volstad's and Olsen's respective potential).

 

We have all seen a number of future aces not live up to their potential, be it because of injuries or otherwise. Yes, some guys can live up to the hype, but it's just so rare when you look at how many prospects are out there.

 

At least with that larger pool, there is a greater chance that some guys will be able to step up and contribute at the major league level. Occasionally, guys can seemingly come out of nowhere and do an incredible job (Dontrelle Willis is a good example of this). It gives a team more options and flexibility.

 

Heck, if the Marlins weren't so bleeping cheap, they would have undeniably great ammo to use at the trade deadline if they were still in the hunt. They could easily assemble a tempting package for almost any player with the pitching they have.

[rjchapma]

If you guys are saying the Yankees have nothing to offer to the Cubs you are wrong. You guys always talk about how bad Jaque Jones is and how we need more pop in the outfield, now i know there salaries are humongous, but im pretty sure Sheffield or Matsui would fit into our line up pretty nicely. No there is no way they would trade us either one, but im just pointing out there are players on there team that would help us out by trading a useless arm.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

How many of them project to be front of the rotation starters? Quantity isn't quality, although the Marlins have shown the ability to identify and develop good pitching throughout the years.

 

If the Marlins don't move to a market more capably of supporting a higher payroll (i.e. keeping Willis and Cabrera), Willis is out the door and the Marlins are left with a bunch of back of the rotation guys in their rotation. Not good.

 

I'm going to take issue with this statement, although I do believe there is some credence to it. It comes down to a matter of preference.

 

In essence, it boils down to this: Would you rather have a large pool of pitchers who are all fairly talented, but are likely to end up as middle of the rotation guys, or would you have a significantly smaller number of elite pitching prospects who could end up as front of the rotation guys?

 

In the best of all worlds, your farm system would be a combination of the two...but that rarely happens. The Marlins' system appears to be more on the side of things with a large pool of potential middle/back end of the rotation guys (although I like Volstad's and Olsen's respective potential).

 

We have all seen a number of future aces not live up to their potential, be it because of injuries or otherwise. Yes, some guys can live up to the hype, but it's just so rare when you look at how many prospects are out there.

 

At least with that larger pool, there is a greater chance that some guys will be able to step up and contribute at the major league level. Occasionally, guys can seemingly come out of nowhere and do an incredible job (Dontrelle Willis is a good example of this). It gives a team more options and flexibility.

 

Heck, if the Marlins weren't so bleeping cheap, they would have undeniably great ammo to use at the trade deadline if they were still in the hunt. They could easily assemble a tempting package for almost any player with the pitching they have.

 

With the market the way it is, if you don't develop your own ace and front of the rotation guys, you're not going to pick one up in FA for a reasonable price. If you get one via trade, it will be shortly before he hits FA and signing him to an extension in this market is dicey.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm not sure if this thread is still addressing the topic of Wood to the Yankees. But I'd just like to note that this sort of "rumor" is exactly the type of thing many NY writers put out with no regard for the facts. They just list many of the top names that may or may not be available, and then speculate they might become Yankees. I think it's so when the Yankees actually do make a deal for 1 of the 150 guys mentioned, they can feel smart for having predicted the move.

[da bears]

This writer speculates that the Yankees could try to trade for Kerry this July.

 

NY Post

 

Contenders with aggressive GMs will use established performers from areas of strength to address weaknesses. So watch for the A's moving Barry Zito and the White Sox dealing either Jon Garland or Freddy Garcia from their deep rotations, and the Dodgers moving a closer, either Eric Gagne or Danys Baez. Ken Griffey, Todd Helton and - of course - Manny Ramirez will be dangled, and don't be surprised if the Yankees gamble on Kerry Wood as a reliever. With all the media bashing of the Yankees' rotation, it is the set-up corps to Mariano Rivera that is the worst facet of the team.

 

The most interesting names on the market will be Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis. The Marlins will decide it is not worthwhile to pay them a combined $15 million in 2007. Instead, they will conclude their fire sale with an eye on adding to what already is one of the majors' best prospect stockpiles.

 

I don't think Kerry would waive his NTC to go to NYC.

 

Agreed. And the Fish would have to be on crack to deal Cabrera and Willis. They might never recover.

 

NY media seems to always think that players and teams are just waiting to facilitate the Yankees' wishes.

 

And The Yanks have nothing the Marlins want, and certainly not nearly enough for Willis and Cabrera. There are probably a couple dozen teams who have more to offer.

 

I couldn't agree more. I even know a few Yankee fans, and they act as if every player in baseball would rather play for the Yankees than all the other teams. I guess when you can afford every player in baseball and don't have to worry about money, that kind of attitude can grow.

[Lefty]

This is all ridiculous. Wood will be entrenched in our starting rotation while we will be in serious contention on July 31st. Talk of trade and Wood as a setup man is Mariotti-Bayless-esque. Give it a rest.

[NorthsideAvenger]

If you guys are saying the Yankees have nothing to offer to the Cubs you are wrong. You guys always talk about how bad Jaque Jones is and how we need more pop in the outfield, now i know there salaries are humongous, but im pretty sure Sheffield or Matsui would fit into our line up pretty nicely. No there is no way they would trade us either one, but im just pointing out there are players on there team that would help us out by trading a useless arm.

 

Wood is NOT a useless arm. Just so you know. Matsui has already stated he WILL only play for the Yankees and when his NY playing days are over....he will head back to Japan. And Sheffield, is a product of the steroids---alledgedly. So, I don't know how Matsui/Sheffield was even brought into this conservation. And YOU COULD MAKE A CASE that Wood is more important to the Cubs, then Matsui or Sheffield would be. Thus making that trade scenerion a stupid trade.

[rjchapma]

Are you kidding me? Wood hasnt been healthy for the last 3 seasons first off. Secondly Sheffield even though it is said he was steroid induced was in the running for MVP the last two years. I understand about Matsui I didn't know that. Sheffield on the other hand has been a cornerstone for that teams offense. Tell me if that offense get just as much of production with out him.

 

 

Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP

2004 35 NYY AL 154 573 117 166 30 1 36 121 5 6 92 83 .290 .393 .534 306 0 8 7 11 16

2005 36 NYY AL 154 584 104 170 27 0 34 123 10 2 78 76 .291 .379

 

Who you gonna bat there bernie williams. He is there 4 hitter I think If you took him out of there lineup it would make a difference.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Are you kidding me? Wood hasnt been healthy for the last 3 seasons first off. Secondly Sheffield even though it is said he was steroid induced was in the running for MVP the last two years. I understand about Matsui I didn't know that. Sheffield on the other hand has been a cornerstone for that teams offense. Tell me if that offense get just as much of production with out him.

 

 

Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP

2004 35 NYY AL 154 573 117 166 30 1 36 121 5 6 92 83 .290 .393 .534 306 0 8 7 11 16

2005 36 NYY AL 154 584 104 170 27 0 34 123 10 2 78 76 .291 .379

 

Who you gonna bat there bernie williams. He is there 4 hitter I think If you took him out of there lineup it would make a difference.

 

Well, allow me to retort. OK, I have absolutely no idea what you just said.

[biittner77]

If Wood was healthy, why wouldn't the Yankees want him in their rotation? If Wood was healthy and effective, why would the Cubs trade him? Why would Wood accept a trade to a team that wanted to make him a reliever?

[ltb]

Are you kidding me? Wood hasnt been healthy for the last 3 seasons first off.

 

yeah, those 32 starts and 211.0 IP in 2003 sure meant he wasn't healthy...