Barry Bonds Today on now.

[sweetpeteman]

On ESPN...

 

 

 

It was supposed to be Baseball Today, but they have their noses so far up Barry's butt they can smell the clear.

Edited March 31, 2006 by sweetpeteman

[goonys evil twin]

Oh goody, more Barry crap.

[Jehrico]

On ESPN...

 

 

 

It was supposed to be Baseball Today, but they have their noses so far up Barry's butt they can smell the clear.

 

Please tell me they're not continuing to give him a free pass...

[RynoRules]

On ESPN...

 

 

 

It was supposed to be Baseball Today, but they have their noses so far up Barry's butt they can smell the clear.

 

That would be Berman's nose, no?

"He could...go...all..the...way!!!!"

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

now it's Cards vs. Mets :(

[Cubway]

Are we going to have to listen to steriods all year? I am tired of it already. Who is to say that Bonds would have avoided his injury problems had he not used steriods and hit more home runs.

[badger1679666666]

Are we going to have to listen to steriods all year? I am tired of it already. Who is to say that Bonds would have avoided his injury problems had he not used steriods and hit more home runs.

 

He wouldn't have gone from sub 40 to 73 that's for sure.

[Cubway]

Are we going to have to listen to steriods all year? I am tired of it already. Who is to say that Bonds would have avoided his injury problems had he not used steriods and hit more home runs.

 

He wouldn't have gone from sub 40 to 73 that's for sure.

 

I am talking about over the course of his career. He may not have hit 73 but he probably could have averaged 40/yr. Look how many at-bats he has missed since the 73 and how many HR he missed because he was hurt. We do not know how much steroids contributed to his injuries but there is a good chance that it was substantial. And he might still be going strong had he not taken steriods. So what would the asterick mean by his name - that he hit more HR than he should have or that he hit less HR than he should have?

[katway]

Are we going to have to listen to steriods all year? I am tired of it already. Who is to say that Bonds would have avoided his injury problems had he not used steriods and hit more home runs.

 

He wouldn't have gone from sub 40 to 73 that's for sure.

 

I am talking about over the course of his career. He may not have hit 73 but he probably could have averaged 40/yr. Look how many at-bats he has missed since the 73 and how many HR he missed because he was hurt. We do not know how much steroids contributed to his injuries but there is a good chance that it was substantial. And he might still be going strong had he not taken steriods. So what would the asterick mean by his name - that he hit more HR than he should have or that he hit less HR than he should have?

 

:-s

Who is to say Barry Bond's father, Bobby Bonds, would have had to retire at 36 if he had taken steroids? A guy retires at the same age that his son is hitting his peak.... get the feeling that roids have more to do with Barry Bonds being on the field than off the field.

[Jehrico]

Are we going to have to listen to steriods all year? I am tired of it already. Who is to say that Bonds would have avoided his injury problems had he not used steriods and hit more home runs.

 

He wouldn't have gone from sub 40 to 73 that's for sure.

 

I am talking about over the course of his career. He may not have hit 73 but he probably could have averaged 40/yr. Look how many at-bats he has missed since the 73 and how many HR he missed because he was hurt. We do not know how much steroids contributed to his injuries but there is a good chance that it was substantial. And he might still be going strong had he not taken steriods. So what would the asterick mean by his name - that he hit more HR than he should have or that he hit less HR than he should have?

 

I think that argument is absurd. Who's to say he would even still be in baseball today if it weren't for roids. It's not like he missed that much, the only significant time he missed was part of '99 and last season. Who is also to say that him missing last season was a result of complications from quitting steroids after the scandal broke and testing began? It's well known that if you do Steroids and then quit later, it's hard on your body. It's also well known that for the most part, the negative aspects to steroid abuse are mostly long term. If he started using when he was 34-35, it could have prevented him from breaking down when he was 36 or 37 and just delayed it until he was 39. There's no reason whatsoever to be apologizing for Bonds actions. To speculate he's hit less because of roids is pretty outrageous.

[soccer10k]

Are we going to have to listen to steriods all year? I am tired of it already. Who is to say that Bonds would have avoided his injury problems had he not used steriods and hit more home runs.

 

He wouldn't have gone from sub 40 to 73 that's for sure.

 

I am talking about over the course of his career. He may not have hit 73 but he probably could have averaged 40/yr. Look how many at-bats he has missed since the 73 and how many HR he missed because he was hurt. We do not know how much steroids contributed to his injuries but there is a good chance that it was substantial. And he might still be going strong had he not taken steriods. So what would the asterick mean by his name - that he hit more HR than he should have or that he hit less HR than he should have?

 

I think that argument is absurd. Who's to say he would even still be in baseball today if it weren't for roids. It's not like he missed that much, the only significant time he missed was part of '99 and last season. Who is also to say that him missing last season was a result of complications from quitting steroids after the scandal broke and testing began? It's well known that if you do Steroids and then quit later, it's hard on your body. It's also well known that for the most part, the negative aspects to steroid abuse are mostly long term. If he started using when he was 34-35, it could have prevented him from breaking down when he was 36 or 37 and just delayed it until he was 39. There's no reason whatsoever to be apologizing for Bonds actions. To speculate he's hit less because of roids is pretty outrageous.

 

And that is the key point of the Bonds argument. Bonds was a surefire HOFer anyway. But steroids most likely prolonged his career for a couple more years. Bonds would have hit 500 HR's and would have had a decent chance at 600 without steroids. But there is no chance that his body would have held up long enough to reach the 700 plateau. It just wouldn't have happened.

[Cubway]

I always thought that steroids made you stronger but caused your body to break down quicker. I do not know if Bonds ailments were a result of steroids. But I also do not know that they weren't.

[goonys evil twin]

I always thought that steroids made you stronger but caused your body to break down quicker. I do not know if Bonds ailments were a result of steroids. But I also do not know that they weren't.

 

Old school steroids supposedly break you down more. But a lot of the newer synthetic stuff was supposedly great for healing and recovery. They probably all cause you to break down quicker over time, but in the short run, and that could be anywhere from a few months to several years, they can prevent it. It's quite possible that his early steroid use has something to do with his physical problems, while his later more advanced use is keeping him together longer than would be expected.

[anemic offense]

Are we going to have to listen to steriods all year? I am tired of it already. Who is to say that Bonds would have avoided his injury problems had he not used steriods and hit more home runs.

 

He wouldn't have gone from sub 40 to 73 that's for sure.

 

I am talking about over the course of his career. He may not have hit 73 but he probably could have averaged 40/yr. Look how many at-bats he has missed since the 73 and how many HR he missed because he was hurt. We do not know how much steroids contributed to his injuries but there is a good chance that it was substantial. And he might still be going strong had he not taken steriods. So what would the asterick mean by his name - that he hit more HR than he should have or that he hit less HR than he should have?

 

I think that argument is absurd. Who's to say he would even still be in baseball today if it weren't for roids. It's not like he missed that much, the only significant time he missed was part of '99 and last season. Who is also to say that him missing last season was a result of complications from quitting steroids after the scandal broke and testing began? It's well known that if you do Steroids and then quit later, it's hard on your body. It's also well known that for the most part, the negative aspects to steroid abuse are mostly long term. If he started using when he was 34-35, it could have prevented him from breaking down when he was 36 or 37 and just delayed it until he was 39. There's no reason whatsoever to be apologizing for Bonds actions. To speculate he's hit less because of roids is pretty outrageous.

 

You're absolutely right Jehrico. One of the most amazing things about the Bonds allegations, was Barry's belief in the roids having a healing effect on his nagging injuries. Whether that was real, or psychological, Bonds sure thought (according to the reports) they were having a positive effect. Too bad no one will EVER know the extent to which the steroids affected his performance. But if I had to guess, I'd say they had IMMENSE physical and physchological (positive) effects on his baseball.

[Cubway]

ESPN was talking about maybe someone should sue Bonds for fraud. Do we really want to go there?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

ESPN was talking about maybe someone should sue Bonds for fraud. Do we really want to go there?

 

If it is proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that steroids were the cause for the jump to 73, MLB should sue Barry Bonds for fraud.

[UBlink]

I think that argument is absurd. Who's to say he would even still be in baseball today if it weren't for roids. It's not like he missed that much, the only significant time he missed was part of '99 and last season. Who is also to say that him missing last season was a result of complications from quitting steroids after the scandal broke and testing began? It's well known that if you do Steroids and then quit later, it's hard on your body. It's also well known that for the most part, the negative aspects to steroid abuse are mostly long term. If he started using when he was 34-35, it could have prevented him from breaking down when he was 36 or 37 and just delayed it until he was 39. There's no reason whatsoever to be apologizing for Bonds actions. To speculate he's hit less because of roids is pretty outrageous.

 

I wish I knew even half the stuff that is well known.

[BigbadB]

He better hope his knee is in good running shape. He's going to be running the bases a lot again this year as pitchers pitch around him. Who gave up 715? Al Downing. Many, many, many more people know this than actually watched the game.

 

Who wants to be the next Al Downing?